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NurseJackie

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31. ... and for the sake of "bragging rights" or demonstrations of "purity" is not very smart either.

Fri Aug 2, 2019, 08:18 AM

Aug 2019

I'm always amazed whenever I see a politician who takes an "all or nothing" approach to negotiating. In their mind, there's NO compromise and NO middle ground. --- So instead of making people's lives better with HALF a loaf, the politician boasts about "sanding by his guns" (or hers) ... and is somehow PROUD and GIDDY to tell his (or her) constituents that ZERO PROGRESS was made.

If zero progress is being made, how is that "progressive"?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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WAPO: Why go to the trouble of running for president to promote ideas that can't work? [View all] wyldwolf Aug 2019 OP

I despise the stench of defeatism in the morning Cirque du So-What Aug 2019 #1

a good example of what the piece states. wyldwolf Aug 2019 #2

Well! I guess we should all just give up; resistance is futile, yunno Cirque du So-What Aug 2019 #3

yeah, when it comes to trying to score points at Obama's expense, you should give up wyldwolf Aug 2019 #4

That wasn't an attack on Obama when she said it. Obama's even saying blm Aug 2019 #41

Ding! Ding! Ding! True Dough Aug 2019 #52

Ding ding ding... That was always Obama's goal. LakeArenal Aug 2019 #57

Indeed. The public option was designed to get us to single payer. emulatorloo Aug 2019 #64

The ReThugs have thrown up every obstacle at their disposal True Dough Aug 2019 #65

+1 emulatorloo Aug 2019 #66

It is a mistake to attack President Obama's record Gothmog Aug 2019 #77

And Warren did not, yet some here are saying she did blm Aug 2019 #79

Yes she did-warren's plan repeals and replaces the Affordable Care Act Gothmog Aug 2019 #80

She did not frame it as an attack on Obama. And Obama, himself, sees single payer as blm Aug 2019 #81

It was an attack on the Affordable Care Act Gothmog Aug 2019 #82

Obama is on board with moving towards single-payer. Is he attacking himself? blm Aug 2019 #84

Resistance for the sake of resistance is not very smart NYMinute Aug 2019 #5

... and for the sake of "bragging rights" or demonstrations of "purity" is not very smart either. NurseJackie Aug 2019 #31

I prefer 'mendacity' and facts over the impossible dream as detailed by some candidates who will Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #50

How will any of these plans be adopted in the real world? Gothmog Aug 2019 #76

What defeatism? Loki Liesmith Aug 2019 #102

Well said... BUT... FBaggins Aug 2019 #6

the lines have become increasingly blurred in the age of 24 hour news and the internet wyldwolf Aug 2019 #7

Can we concentrate MFM008 Aug 2019 #8

Yes, please x 1000 peggysue2 Aug 2019 #60

Not a good slogan for Biden, watoos Aug 2019 #9

Actually, the Cold War with the USSR is what drove the Space Race ehrnst Aug 2019 #11

It still fits my definition of ideological gradiosity. watoos Aug 2019 #28

No, not really. Idealogical grandiosity was the tool to get the public behind the military push ehrnst Aug 2019 #32

Not a very good slogan! jcgoldie Aug 2019 #36

True - I like this better: "Joe Biden for President....because getting rid of Trump is paramount." Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #44

I feel ya jcgoldie Aug 2019 #47

x1000, Skya peggysue2 Aug 2019 #61

There is a difference between having aspirations and trying to find the best way to implement...what Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #51

You're Wrong! Biden has A Very Can DO Cha Aug 2019 #74

Joe Biden Is the Big Winner of the Democrats' Leftward Shift Gothmog Aug 2019 #78

Level of care? Really? SLClarke Aug 2019 #10

Well Put SLClarke Farmer-Rick Aug 2019 #18

I, too, agree with you SLClarke and Farmer-Rick. It's the dreams we've had that have created our in2herbs Aug 2019 #27

None of your dreams will happen unless we take over wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #105

+++++++++++ pangaia Aug 2019 #34

Delivery of care could be disrupted if a massive change in the system is implemented too quickly. ehrnst Aug 2019 #38

Exactly blm Aug 2019 #43

I will yield to the advice of Harry Truman Sherman A1 Aug 2019 #12

And Truman couldn't get the big plan passed wyldwolf Aug 2019 #17

True he couldn't get his plans passed but he tried and Sherman A1 Aug 2019 #24

If you'll recall, Obamacare was much more ambitious originally wyldwolf Aug 2019 #25

It is not about a pony Sherman A1 Aug 2019 #29

It's definitely a pony wyldwolf Aug 2019 #30

I disagree with your assessment Sherman A1 Aug 2019 #40

Explain to us then... wyldwolf Aug 2019 #53

Frankly Sherman A1 Aug 2019 #58

Magic fairy dust it is then! wyldwolf Aug 2019 #59

Or old stodgy ideas Sherman A1 Aug 2019 #67

interestingly, 'old, stodgy ideas' is better applied to MFA plans wyldwolf Aug 2019 #68

....... Sherman A1 Aug 2019 #69

....... wyldwolf Aug 2019 #70

That's precisely why no one single plan will be perfect for everyone - George II Aug 2019 #33

It's hard to get big plans passed when you don't control the narrative. CrispyQ Aug 2019 #62

compelling argument. So I'll say... wyldwolf Aug 2019 #63

"sustainable policy in America would emerge only by means of principled compromise crazytown Aug 2019 #13

Devastating point. theaocp Aug 2019 #16

Absolutely true crazytown Farmer-Rick Aug 2019 #22

I'm sick of plausibility being measured by current measures. rainin Aug 2019 #14

Excellent point. EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2019 #20

So, Sanders and Warren ideas are "stupid shit"? theaocp Aug 2019 #15

Warren must be very stupid indeed crazytown Aug 2019 #21

I'm for Warren EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2019 #19

Warren wrote Joe Biden's health care plan. crazytown Aug 2019 #23

You should worry more about the Joe Biden Enthusiasm Gap BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #26

I am now firmly in Elizabeth Warren's BlueMTexpat Aug 2019 #35

Uckin-fay. n/t theaocp Aug 2019 #55

I Hear What They Are Saying DallasNE Aug 2019 #37

+1000. There have to be details, not just "I'm not going to speculate on that right now" ehrnst Aug 2019 #45

I know people liked her line, but I immediately felt it was counter productive. themaguffin Aug 2019 #39

why ? JI7 Aug 2019 #42

because themaguffin Aug 2019 #87

Great editorial Gothmog Aug 2019 #46

Fuck WaPo and their fear based, Status Quo defeatism nt Fiendish Thingy Aug 2019 #48

Realistically, for MFA, you'd need to win the WH, the House and the Senate by well in excess of 60, OnDoutside Aug 2019 #49

Grounded in mathematical & political reality usually means, "How are we going to pay for it?" CrispyQ Aug 2019 #54

Yea, but that takes effort. theaocp Aug 2019 #56

K&R highplainsdem Aug 2019 #71

"Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, Or what's a heaven for?" ― Robert Browning Princetonian Aug 2019 #72

that was always my dating philosophy wyldwolf Aug 2019 #73

This is well put EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2019 #89

The moderates' health-care message can prevail Gothmog Aug 2019 #75

I respect fighters who win. gulliver Aug 2019 #83

I tend to bookmark posts on DU that I think are prolific. Your reply reminded me of one wyldwolf Aug 2019 #86

Sanders already has moved the entire Democratic party to the left Quixote1818 Aug 2019 #85

Banning private insurance polls very badly Gothmog Aug 2019 #88

The problem with the premise quaker bill Aug 2019 #90

Oligarchic mouthpiece says what? aidbo Aug 2019 #91

What shitty advice from WAPO. aikoaiko Aug 2019 #92

Why? Gothmog Aug 2019 #100

apparently because WAPO is a "Oligarchic mouthpiece." wyldwolf Aug 2019 #101

I have a subscription to the Washington Post Gothmog Aug 2019 #108

Fighting over the details of their healthcare proposals won't help them beat Donald Trump Gothmog Aug 2019 #93

I'll agree with WaPo on this one. comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #94

K&R question everything Aug 2019 #95

American politics could use a healthy dose of pragmatism Gothmog Aug 2019 #96

Magic wands and fairy dust wyldwolf Aug 2019 #98

Evidently sanders needs some sort of revolution to pass his platform Gothmog Aug 2019 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author Gothmog Aug 2019 #97

Have a plan, know what it takes to implement it, control wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #103

Personally I can't wait for Sanders and Warren to drop out. wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #104

Warren almost pissed me off with that one. The ultimate irony is she who proposes in great... TreasonousBastard Aug 2019 #106

We all know the WP is a friend of the status quo. Aaron Pereira Aug 2019 #107

no, "we" all don't "know that." wyldwolf Aug 2019 #109

What's a "prooooogreeeesssiiiivvve" outlet? Aaron Pereira Aug 2019 #110

oh, you know. The sources that aren't "mouthpieces for the status quo" or "Oligarchic mouthpieces." wyldwolf Aug 2019 #111