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In reply to the discussion: Biden says he was surprised there was so much criticism of Obama in last night's debate [View all]lapucelle
(21,064 posts)66. My point is that neither narrative is supported by facts,
whether the narrative concerns the president acquiescing to a vice president who was really running the show or whether the narrative asserts that the Democratic president and vice president
[were] willing to sacrifice Social Security and Medicare for a slightly better short term budget deal
I reject that story line both on principle and on facts.
Final wrangling over defense spending almost sank the deal, but on Sunday afternoon, officials reached a compromise. At 8:15 p.m., Mr. Obama called Mr. Boehner to ask, "Do we have a deal?" There was a pause, then the president said, "Congratulations to you, too, John." White House aides listening in exhaled.
Over the final stretch, Republicans made clear that tax increases couldn't be in the mix for the initial cuts or triggers. And Democrats insisted that cuts to Social Security and Medicare benefits would have to be left out as well. The committee can look at those issues later.
Moments before Mr. Obama announced the long-awaited debt deal, Mr. Boehner began to sell it to his restive troops. "The White House bid to raise taxes has been shut down," he said.
Over the final stretch, Republicans made clear that tax increases couldn't be in the mix for the initial cuts or triggers. And Democrats insisted that cuts to Social Security and Medicare benefits would have to be left out as well. The committee can look at those issues later.
Moments before Mr. Obama announced the long-awaited debt deal, Mr. Boehner began to sell it to his restive troops. "The White House bid to raise taxes has been shut down," he said.
Why would anyone frame these negotiations as a "willingness to sacrifice Social Security and Medicare for a slightly better short term budget deal" when that is clearly not the case.
And any suggestion that President Obama was simply a figurehead and somebody else's "yes man" in his own administration is frankly disgusting.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424053111904292504576481812376152944
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Biden says he was surprised there was so much criticism of Obama in last night's debate [View all]
highplainsdem
Aug 2019
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Obama knew they'd do this to Joe. So Obama's not surfacing, just working his coalition's ass off
ancianita
Aug 2019
#6
A great link for Joe Bidens campaign staff...and staff at the local level.
asiliveandbreathe
Aug 2019
#7
Agreed. The fact that Republicans weren't going to go along with condemning Russia was...
Garrett78
Aug 2019
#12
Did they expect Biden to throw Obama under the bus by criticizing his policies? No. But in
emmaverybo
Aug 2019
#17
To say a policy is worthy of criticism is not saying everything about said policy was bad.
Garrett78
Aug 2019
#68
In fact, they didn't. They questioned HIS role in the immigration policy of O. That's it.
ancianita
Aug 2019
#46
Exactly, Biden wraps himself in Obama's cloak so tight its the only way in, thats why they attack
Baclava
Aug 2019
#16
He answered perfectly well to the question as to whether he had disagreed with Obama and tried
emmaverybo
Aug 2019
#18
Wasn't it your point that it was Biden's deal and that President Obama was only "acquiescing"?
lapucelle
Aug 2019
#58
Obama sent Biden out to negotiate with Republicans. And so some important biz got done. In
emmaverybo
Aug 2019
#60
Thanks for documenting the fact that Biden served Obama's directives at all times, and that
emmaverybo
Aug 2019
#62
The idea was never Biden's. And yes, it averted senate shut-down. Politico discusses in full:
emmaverybo
Aug 2019
#65
It is insulting to Pres Obama & factually wrong to cast him in the role of some kind of "yes man"
lapucelle
Aug 2019
#56
Here you go - "Debate Backlash: Many Democrats Say Criticizing Obama's Legacy Isn't A Good Idea"
onetexan
Aug 2019
#19
I cannot tell you the number of people I have talked to today who cannot figure
Peacetrain
Aug 2019
#30
Obama's name was dropped 13 times. Trump's, 68 times. Climate change, 19 times. So this
ancianita
Aug 2019
#41