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lapucelle

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66. My point is that neither narrative is supported by facts,
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 02:53 PM
Aug 2019

whether the narrative concerns the president acquiescing to a vice president who was really running the show or whether the narrative asserts that the Democratic president and vice president

[were] willing to sacrifice Social Security and Medicare for a slightly better short term budget deal


I reject that story line both on principle and on facts.

Final wrangling over defense spending almost sank the deal, but on Sunday afternoon, officials reached a compromise. At 8:15 p.m., Mr. Obama called Mr. Boehner to ask, "Do we have a deal?" There was a pause, then the president said, "Congratulations to you, too, John." White House aides listening in exhaled.

Over the final stretch, Republicans made clear that tax increases couldn't be in the mix for the initial cuts or triggers. And Democrats insisted that cuts to Social Security and Medicare benefits would have to be left out as well. The committee can look at those issues later.

Moments before Mr. Obama announced the long-awaited debt deal, Mr. Boehner began to sell it to his restive troops. "The White House bid to raise taxes has been shut down," he said.


Why would anyone frame these negotiations as a "willingness to sacrifice Social Security and Medicare for a slightly better short term budget deal" when that is clearly not the case.

And any suggestion that President Obama was simply a figurehead and somebody else's "yes man" in his own administration is frankly disgusting.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424053111904292504576481812376152944
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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That was a real head scratcher underpants Aug 2019 #1
Oh really? Cha Aug 2019 #71
That was a great press conference! Raven123 Aug 2019 #2
Me too Joe . . . me too JustAnotherGen Aug 2019 #3
I never expected that ... CatMor Aug 2019 #4
K&R stonecutter357 Aug 2019 #5
Obama knew they'd do this to Joe. So Obama's not surfacing, just working his coalition's ass off ancianita Aug 2019 #6
A great link for Joe Bidens campaign staff...and staff at the local level. asiliveandbreathe Aug 2019 #7
Mahalo for the link, asiliveandbreathe! Cha Aug 2019 #72
I was too Sunsky Aug 2019 #8
Immigration policy under the Obama Administration is worthy of criticism. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #9
Exactly DeminPennswoods Aug 2019 #11
Agreed. The fact that Republicans weren't going to go along with condemning Russia was... Garrett78 Aug 2019 #12
Yeah, keep it up candidates.. keep railing Cha Aug 2019 #23
Obama isn't perfect and pointing out DeminPennswoods Aug 2019 #24
Not what I said. Keep it up candidates.. Go for it. Cha Aug 2019 #27
plus 1 questionseverything Aug 2019 #33
Yes, also the numbers are misleading Bradical79 Aug 2019 #15
Did they expect Biden to throw Obama under the bus by criticizing his policies? No. But in emmaverybo Aug 2019 #17
DACA, prosecutorial discretion, trying to do treestar Aug 2019 #43
Positive things don't negate negative things. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #47
they don't? treestar Aug 2019 #54
To say a policy is worthy of criticism is not saying everything about said policy was bad. Garrett78 Aug 2019 #68
It's tough to make it a negative treestar Aug 2019 #79
They put them in perspective.. the Cha Aug 2019 #73
Joe Scarb pointed that out this morning as well onetexan Aug 2019 #10
In fact, they didn't. They questioned HIS role in the immigration policy of O. That's it. ancianita Aug 2019 #46
I'm surprised that he was surprised. Buzz cook Aug 2019 #13
Exactly, Biden wraps himself in Obama's cloak so tight its the only way in, thats why they attack Baclava Aug 2019 #16
Biden was Vice President for 8 years Cha Aug 2019 #21
"Wrap oneself in X's cloak". lapucelle Aug 2019 #37
It's their way of Dissing Biden and Cha Aug 2019 #38
And there we have it. Buzz cook Aug 2019 #49
Should be obvious Buzz cook Aug 2019 #48
It's not obvious, but it is telling. N/T lapucelle Aug 2019 #59
Obama is so popular that being his VP is a real advantage treestar Aug 2019 #55
You get Biden's Tweet for that, treestar!! Cha Aug 2019 #74
Thank you! treestar Aug 2019 #78
He answered perfectly well to the question as to whether he had disagreed with Obama and tried emmaverybo Aug 2019 #18
Biden obviously expects the best Cha Aug 2019 #22
And that is one of my problems with Biden Buzz cook Aug 2019 #25
No you're Wrong. Cha Aug 2019 #28
Well thanks Buzz cook Aug 2019 #29
He is wrong. lapucelle Aug 2019 #39
"Insulting.. " is the Cha Aug 2019 #40
Don't post a story that needs a sign in. Buzz cook Aug 2019 #51
Wasn't it your point that it was Biden's deal and that President Obama was only "acquiescing"? lapucelle Aug 2019 #58
Is it your point that Obama was willing to sacrifice Social Security Buzz cook Aug 2019 #63
My point is that neither narrative is supported by facts, lapucelle Aug 2019 #66
Because that's what they do.. Cha Aug 2019 #75
Thanks for dehumanizing me. Buzz cook Aug 2019 #82
Bowles-Simpson Buzz cook Aug 2019 #81
Didn't you say President Obama "acquiesced" to Joe Biden? lapucelle Aug 2019 #84
EXACTLY, lapucelle! Cha Aug 2019 #83
Obama sent Biden out to negotiate with Republicans. And so some important biz got done. In emmaverybo Aug 2019 #60
The idea that President Obama was some kind of a figurehead is insulting. lapucelle Aug 2019 #61
Thanks for documenting the fact that Biden served Obama's directives at all times, and that emmaverybo Aug 2019 #62
I think the idea was Biden's Buzz cook Aug 2019 #64
The idea was never Biden's. And yes, it averted senate shut-down. Politico discusses in full: emmaverybo Aug 2019 #65
It is insulting to Pres Obama & factually wrong to cast him in the role of some kind of "yes man" lapucelle Aug 2019 #56
Mahalo, lapucelle!!!! Cha Aug 2019 #67
I think your last statement is the best characterization I have seen. still_one Aug 2019 #52
Here you go - "Debate Backlash: Many Democrats Say Criticizing Obama's Legacy Isn't A Good Idea" onetexan Aug 2019 #19
Mahalo, onetexan! Cha Aug 2019 #42
Ha! They go after President Obama at their own Cha Aug 2019 #20
Is that what you do? That's what you do when you treestar Aug 2019 #44
Me too, Joe. Me too. hlthe2b Aug 2019 #14
Kick and recommend. Me too. bronxiteforever Aug 2019 #26
I cannot tell you the number of people I have talked to today who cannot figure Peacetrain Aug 2019 #30
Thanks for the anecdotes, Peacetrain! Cha Aug 2019 #34
Why am I not surprised Cha.. Peacetrain Aug 2019 #36
Do. Not. Go. There. Princetonian Aug 2019 #31
While I find it distasteful in the extreme... GulfCoast66 Aug 2019 #32
That's what I say.. Cha Aug 2019 #35
Obama's name was dropped 13 times. Trump's, 68 times. Climate change, 19 times. So this ancianita Aug 2019 #41
Joe wasn't the only one surprised! peggysue2 Aug 2019 #45
Go Figure! Cha Aug 2019 #50
Biden is defending President Obama's legacy Gothmog Aug 2019 #53
Opportunism. nt oasis Aug 2019 #57
It is a mistake to attack President Obama's record Gothmog Aug 2019 #69
Anyone attacking President Obama is not worthy of my support. n/t Tarheel_Dem Aug 2019 #70
Biden: He was a great president. We don't say that enough. Cha Aug 2019 #76
Going after the Republican Party, the NRA, Moscow Mitch, Kochs, Citizens United, makes more sense. YOHABLO Aug 2019 #77
I was surprised... Mike Nelson Aug 2019 #80
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