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In reply to the discussion: WAPO: Why go to the trouble of running for president to promote ideas that can't work? [View all]Gothmog
(180,303 posts)96. American politics could use a healthy dose of pragmatism
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Most Americans arent philosophers, thank goodness, but we are a nation of pragmatists. And so, despite the snap to her zinger, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) was out of the mainstream when she shrugged off criticism during the second round of Democratic debates by saying: I dont understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the United States just to talk about what we really cant do and shouldnt fight for.
Democrats should be demanding more answers, not fewer. Will Medicare-for-all cost key union votes in critical Midwestern states, as Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) argued during the debates? Does a free-tuition promise at state colleges and universities benefit middle- and upper-class families more than families in need? Is Warrens proposed tax on the assets of wealthy Americans likely to pass constitutional muster, and what strategies are billionaires likely to employ to avoid it? In light of those answers, will it really pay for all that she has promised?
Do Americans support decriminalizing illegal border crossings? Do Americans oppose lawful deportations? Do Americans agree that the federal government should guarantee a job for every person? Pragmatic questions such as these are highly relevant in a representative democracy, where politics is the art of the possible.
What I dont understand is why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the United States simply to ignore questions about real-world realities and promise fights without explaining how to win them. Reality is not going to bend to a new shape come 2021 just because a President Sanders shouts at it or a President Warren fights with it.
Democrats should be demanding more answers, not fewer. Will Medicare-for-all cost key union votes in critical Midwestern states, as Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) argued during the debates? Does a free-tuition promise at state colleges and universities benefit middle- and upper-class families more than families in need? Is Warrens proposed tax on the assets of wealthy Americans likely to pass constitutional muster, and what strategies are billionaires likely to employ to avoid it? In light of those answers, will it really pay for all that she has promised?
Do Americans support decriminalizing illegal border crossings? Do Americans oppose lawful deportations? Do Americans agree that the federal government should guarantee a job for every person? Pragmatic questions such as these are highly relevant in a representative democracy, where politics is the art of the possible.
What I dont understand is why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the United States simply to ignore questions about real-world realities and promise fights without explaining how to win them. Reality is not going to bend to a new shape come 2021 just because a President Sanders shouts at it or a President Warren fights with it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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WAPO: Why go to the trouble of running for president to promote ideas that can't work? [View all]
wyldwolf
Aug 2019
OP
yeah, when it comes to trying to score points at Obama's expense, you should give up
wyldwolf
Aug 2019
#4
She did not frame it as an attack on Obama. And Obama, himself, sees single payer as
blm
Aug 2019
#81
... and for the sake of "bragging rights" or demonstrations of "purity" is not very smart either.
NurseJackie
Aug 2019
#31
I prefer 'mendacity' and facts over the impossible dream as detailed by some candidates who will
Demsrule86
Aug 2019
#50
the lines have become increasingly blurred in the age of 24 hour news and the internet
wyldwolf
Aug 2019
#7
No, not really. Idealogical grandiosity was the tool to get the public behind the military push
ehrnst
Aug 2019
#32
True - I like this better: "Joe Biden for President....because getting rid of Trump is paramount."
Skya Rhen
Aug 2019
#44
There is a difference between having aspirations and trying to find the best way to implement...what
Demsrule86
Aug 2019
#51
I, too, agree with you SLClarke and Farmer-Rick. It's the dreams we've had that have created our
in2herbs
Aug 2019
#27
Delivery of care could be disrupted if a massive change in the system is implemented too quickly.
ehrnst
Aug 2019
#38
"sustainable policy in America would emerge only by means of principled compromise
crazytown
Aug 2019
#13
+1000. There have to be details, not just "I'm not going to speculate on that right now"
ehrnst
Aug 2019
#45
I know people liked her line, but I immediately felt it was counter productive.
themaguffin
Aug 2019
#39
Realistically, for MFA, you'd need to win the WH, the House and the Senate by well in excess of 60,
OnDoutside
Aug 2019
#49
Grounded in mathematical & political reality usually means, "How are we going to pay for it?"
CrispyQ
Aug 2019
#54
"Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, Or what's a heaven for?" ― Robert Browning
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#72
I tend to bookmark posts on DU that I think are prolific. Your reply reminded me of one
wyldwolf
Aug 2019
#86
Fighting over the details of their healthcare proposals won't help them beat Donald Trump
Gothmog
Aug 2019
#93
Warren almost pissed me off with that one. The ultimate irony is she who proposes in great...
TreasonousBastard
Aug 2019
#106