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In reply to the discussion: Do you believe we can get Medicare For All through Congress in 2021-2024? [View all]Gothmog
(182,677 posts)42. American politics could use a healthy dose of pragmatism
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Most Americans arent philosophers, thank goodness, but we are a nation of pragmatists. And so, despite the snap to her zinger, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) was out of the mainstream when she shrugged off criticism during the second round of Democratic debates by saying: I dont understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the United States just to talk about what we really cant do and shouldnt fight for.
Democrats should be demanding more answers, not fewer. Will Medicare-for-all cost key union votes in critical Midwestern states, as Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) argued during the debates? Does a free-tuition promise at state colleges and universities benefit middle- and upper-class families more than families in need? Is Warrens proposed tax on the assets of wealthy Americans likely to pass constitutional muster, and what strategies are billionaires likely to employ to avoid it? In light of those answers, will it really pay for all that she has promised?
Do Americans support decriminalizing illegal border crossings? Do Americans oppose lawful deportations? Do Americans agree that the federal government should guarantee a job for every person? Pragmatic questions such as these are highly relevant in a representative democracy, where politics is the art of the possible.
What I dont understand is why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the United States simply to ignore questions about real-world realities and promise fights without explaining how to win them. Reality is not going to bend to a new shape come 2021 just because a President Sanders shouts at it or a President Warren fights with it.
Democrats should be demanding more answers, not fewer. Will Medicare-for-all cost key union votes in critical Midwestern states, as Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) argued during the debates? Does a free-tuition promise at state colleges and universities benefit middle- and upper-class families more than families in need? Is Warrens proposed tax on the assets of wealthy Americans likely to pass constitutional muster, and what strategies are billionaires likely to employ to avoid it? In light of those answers, will it really pay for all that she has promised?
Do Americans support decriminalizing illegal border crossings? Do Americans oppose lawful deportations? Do Americans agree that the federal government should guarantee a job for every person? Pragmatic questions such as these are highly relevant in a representative democracy, where politics is the art of the possible.
What I dont understand is why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the United States simply to ignore questions about real-world realities and promise fights without explaining how to win them. Reality is not going to bend to a new shape come 2021 just because a President Sanders shouts at it or a President Warren fights with it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Do you believe we can get Medicare For All through Congress in 2021-2024? [View all]
highplainsdem
Aug 2019
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Nope, you didn't miss it. No one has actually done the tough job of working out the details...
George II
Aug 2019
#5
Beto O'Rourke has the right idea with Medicare for America, read text of plan here
Indygram
Aug 2019
#4
No time now. Does his plan get rid of private insurance? By MFA I mean the plans that are
highplainsdem
Aug 2019
#7
Sounds interesting, but it isn't what I mean by Medicare For All. Polls have shown there's
highplainsdem
Aug 2019
#13
Which "Medicare for All" are you referring to? As far as I can tell, "Medicare for All"....
George II
Aug 2019
#6
I'm talking about a single payer plan getting rid of private health insurance. Basically, the
highplainsdem
Aug 2019
#8
Even if we had a 70-30 majority in the Senate (or should I say 70-29-1?), NO plan that gets rid...
George II
Aug 2019
#12
That's my best guess, too, but since I've encountered Sanders and Warren supporters (especially
highplainsdem
Aug 2019
#14
Problem is, a candidate running on pure Medicare for everyone wouldn't get elected in 2020.
Hoyt
Aug 2019
#53
True, I just think she jumped the gun to mark Warren joining Sanders on MFA. It was an error
OnDoutside
Aug 2019
#58
The question remains, can we take and hold congress until the Supreme Court shakes out?
LuvLoogie
Aug 2019
#22
Why isn't it passing right now ? Aren't some of the people who are for it members of Congress ?
JI7
Aug 2019
#28
Fighting over the details of their healthcare proposals won't help them beat Donald Trump
Gothmog
Aug 2019
#39
This plan requires one to take away private insurance which will be a killer issue
Gothmog
Aug 2019
#40
No, & neither will the public option, the votes aren't there in the Senate, nor the House for either
Celerity
Aug 2019
#50
Dems really don't need to publicize this kind of thing now or anytime in the near future
empedocles
Aug 2019
#52