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Celerity

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65. I do not see a public option being passed (let alone MFA)
Mon Aug 5, 2019, 09:22 AM
Aug 2019

Too many trillions at stake (at present rates of increase, our nation will be spending 5 to 6 trillion USD per year on healthcare 10 years from now), and big healthcare (hospitals and doctors), big pharma, and big insurance will spend hundreds of millions to crush it. They are already starting, and have vowed for years to do so. It is going to be painted as a GIANT socialist take-over, and it does (rightly so IMHO) put the rentier for-profit healthcare leeches directly in the target sights, so they will look at it as a battle for their very existence, a battle to keep their rapacious gravy trains a rollin'.

We have 108 (almost half of entire total) House members in centrist caucuses, ie The New Democrat Coalition, The Blue Dog Caucus, and the truly problematic No Labels bi-partisan Problem Solvers Caucus. Right now it only takes less than 20 defections to scupper the public option. Even if we gain back the Senate, we have to deal with people like Manchin, Sinema, Doug Jones (if he wins in 2020), Carper, Cooms, Tester, Angus King, etc., who may not support a public option when the rubber meets the road.

I am only being realistic in my pessimism. Hell, the SCOTUS may strike down the ACA. If that happens we will be lucky to get remotely back to where we are now (which is far from a good place atm.)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
'Nothing in this life is free'. mia Aug 2019 #1
Actually a lot of things in life are free Farmer-Rick Aug 2019 #51
Medicare is not going to be affordable for many Americans either. Hoyt Aug 2019 #2
Medicare is affordable for every Canadian, every Australian, every Brit, every Swede, .... Goodheart Aug 2019 #6
So, is the U.S., a nation of over 300 million people, elocs Aug 2019 #9
Especially in two years... None of those countries who have single payer could ehrnst Aug 2019 #16
It's as if "we'll just flip a switch" and have Medicare for All, elocs Aug 2019 #25
And not just replicate... Docreed2003 Aug 2019 #26
US is 80% urban and 20% rural in 2017 pangaia Aug 2019 #27
Thank you for the correction. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2019 #28
funny isn't it that urbanists are called elite when they are by far far far the majority... pangaia Aug 2019 #32
There you go... LiberalFighter Aug 2019 #40
interesting idea.... what about the suburbs ? pangaia Aug 2019 #41
That's way it's a shit slogan to run on ismnotwasm Aug 2019 #45
Medicare for All or Universal Health Care Bettie Aug 2019 #63
Saying that is a cop out. We need to talk in realistic terms. We need all the facts and truthfully wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #54
The elephant in the room: "M4A will not be enacted anytime soon." elocs Aug 2019 #8
Fixing the damage done to the ACA is going to be the way to get the most people healthcare ehrnst Aug 2019 #29
Biden did answer this. thesquanderer Aug 2019 #3
Thank you for providing the quote emulatorloo Aug 2019 #4
Where's PRICE in that? Goodheart Aug 2019 #5
re: "And what you said in your first sentence already exists under the ACA" thesquanderer Aug 2019 #12
The rest will pay up to 8.5 % of their incomes until they, too, are also broke. mia Aug 2019 #7
There's no plan for free healthcare for everyone, from ANYONE. thesquanderer Aug 2019 #11
Is that the same as: mia Aug 2019 #13
Biden's plan works exactly the way the ACA works, why is anyone confused/surprised? thesquanderer Aug 2019 #15
No he didn't. He didn't speak to what the KPN Aug 2019 #31
Bravo. Goodheart Aug 2019 #35
re: "He didn't speak to what the View profile premium will be whatsoever." thesquanderer Aug 2019 #36
If he's capping deductable then it's more than 5% cheaper uponit7771 Aug 2019 #56
I guess, if you tend to spend at least $1k of your deductible. thesquanderer Aug 2019 #57
That has some consequences. There have to be limits to who gets that public option, ehrnst Aug 2019 #37
re: "unless premiums are charged on a sliding scale, charging more for those who make more" thesquanderer Aug 2019 #44
First, no, the ACA subsidies aren't just a sliding scale - it involves more than income. ehrnst Aug 2019 #47
Employers today can choose the plan they want to offer. thesquanderer Aug 2019 #48
I will assume nothing before I see Biden's public option plan. ehrnst Aug 2019 #49
That's an issue of states choosing not to participate. thesquanderer Aug 2019 #55
That's the states not using substitute that's not the ACA uponit7771 Aug 2019 #60
I have no idea what that sentence means. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2019 #61
TheBrits and others enacted govt funded hlth care post WWII. We missed the boat Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #10
"If you want to cut your own personal health care costs, take better care of yourself" Act_of_Reparation Aug 2019 #17
Seems pretty obvious to me. BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #22
So those who make bad choices in your eyes should pay more? cynatnite Aug 2019 #24
No. BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #30
Got it. cynatnite Aug 2019 #34
In some countries with UHC, people are bumped down the list for ehrnst Aug 2019 #50
The operative word being "seems" Act_of_Reparation Aug 2019 #62
That's what my daughter told my grandson while she was pregnant... cynatnite Aug 2019 #20
Europe had a lot of wounded to take care of because of the war IronLionZion Aug 2019 #21
The ACA Mend it don't end it. nt UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #14
Calling these things "free" is snake oil. NT SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #18
Pretending that government doesn't exists to help people kcr Aug 2019 #46
My usual post. Everyman Jackal Aug 2019 #19
There will be no private insurance option if the public option is open to "anyone who wants it" ehrnst Aug 2019 #38
I don't want a public option. Everyman Jackal Aug 2019 #42
+1, We already have a single payer system and a lot of VAs work pretty good from what I've heard... uponit7771 Aug 2019 #64
A VA type system for everyone is fine but not the same system. Everyman Jackal Aug 2019 #67
Nonsense premise, including the RW "free" smear that has no Hortensis Aug 2019 #23
+1000.(nt) ehrnst Aug 2019 #39
Medicare for America (the plan Beto O'Rourke endorses) Indygram Aug 2019 #33
Fighting over the details of their healthcare proposals won't help them beat Donald Trump Gothmog Aug 2019 #43
Nothing is free! Somebody has to pay. We need to make it vey clear that there will be no free wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #52
I loved the idea of single payer, but one concern bothers me. lark Aug 2019 #53
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. subterranean Aug 2019 #58
Despite the fact that I'm on Medicare, last year's out-of-pocket medical expenses totaled $9,000. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2019 #59
Medicare Needs Fixing iwannaknow Aug 2019 #66
I do not see a public option being passed (let alone MFA) Celerity Aug 2019 #65
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