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kiri

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31. Biden stuck in 1930s

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 02:57 PM

Aug 2019

Biden is hooked on "Reefer Madness" 1930's propaganda, when he was growing up and much influenced by Catholic teachings on birth control, abortion, and sex. He had no concerns about tobacco or alcohol. A product of his time. And he has moved on and evolved somewhat. It's his basic instincts that remain.
He was mightily opposed to hippie culture--peace and pot? better, war and cops and prisons.

Biden has never been a champion of reform of the criminal justice system. He supports every DA and prosecutor, even when the Innocence Project finds prisoners wrongly incarcerated.

Biden is a decent, sometimes thoughtful man, trying to escape from his background. I love that he gives Trump heartburn.

But leadership on pot, big pharma drugs?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Joe Biden Is Coming for Your Legal Weed [View all] Voltaire2 Aug 2019 OP

More attacks... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #1

His position is wrong and out of step. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #7

He's the best choice because he is most experienced nationally and especially globally. LakeArenal Aug 2019 #19

Oh boy. You said it. NT emmaverybo Aug 2019 #25

"Former Drug Warrior Biden Unveils Cannabis Decriminalization Plan" Hortensis Aug 2019 #70

Important post. Thanks for the link and your insight. NT emmaverybo Aug 2019 #131

Former drug warrior does no such thing Lordquinton Aug 2019 #147

Mine is from an industry source with very strong interest Hortensis Aug 2019 #152

If Marihuana is criminalized you may be able to find it, but then you could go to jail Perseus Aug 2019 #89

It's already criminalized. Biden wants to decriminalize it DrToast Aug 2019 #93

You are using facts against an anti-Biden hit piece Gothmog Aug 2019 #100

Maybe you may turn out a lemming, but I assure you I won't.... LakeArenal Aug 2019 #106

I don't know if it's a good or bad policy treestar Aug 2019 #145

+1 -K&R onetexan Aug 2019 #161

Fair point. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #205

The Vice headline is a misleading distortion. lapucelle Aug 2019 #57

Tip of the hat and thanks! LakeArenal Aug 2019 #61

Former Drug Warrior Biden Unveils Cannabis Decriminalization Plan Gothmog Aug 2019 #104

This hit job of a OP is not true. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #160

this is so wrong Champion Jack Aug 2019 #185

The article is nonsense DrToast Aug 2019 #14

Agitprop for idiots. ANSWER: What is congress. Hortensis Aug 2019 #60

I know but they have nothing...all the other stuff has failed from flores to I was that girl... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #162

Yeah, Flores led me to DU to stand up for Joe and "I was that girl" Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #219

Me too...and yesterday a poster out and out said he wouldn't vote for Joe in the General...and Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #222

Because this is a bad policy that should be called out. Biden shouldn't get a pass on it, pnwmom Aug 2019 #16

Unfortunately nothing from that article is based on Biden's "policy". George II Aug 2019 #47

Oh please...none of this shit will work...but have at it... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #155

I think the key to beating Trump has to do more with GOTV pnwmom Aug 2019 #156

It really doesn't...it matters what states you can win...if Trump win PA, WI and MI...he wins... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #163

He only won those states -- all of which were strongly impacted by voter suppression -- pnwmom Aug 2019 #165

Really? Andy823 Aug 2019 #20

Please point things out, you are entitled to your opinion. Opinions and facts- 2 different things Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #73

Sorry...she started the 'I was that girl" campaign...complete with t shires...so no. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #164

She was the girl Andy823 Aug 2019 #189

9% Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #220

7 months Andy823 Aug 2019 #221

Yeah you are right he was...I guess he didn't expect to be stabbed in the back by Harris Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #224

Backfired bigly! Per Morning Consult's post-debate analysis: Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #228

Thank you Sky...I hoped this would be the outcome...and have to laugh at the outrage over Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #237

I agree, I think many of these "undecideds" are anything but that. redstatebluegirl Aug 2019 #128

Not cool, Joe. Not cool. ancianita Aug 2019 #2

This is disqualifying Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #3

LOL NurseJackie Aug 2019 #11

Indeed LOL Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #75

and another treestar Aug 2019 #146

He need to drop out. Sooner rather than later. Autumn Aug 2019 #24

Disqualifying is hiring people in your campaign who voted for Jill Stein still_one Aug 2019 #78

Thank you! THAT is TRULY something that's disqualifying. NurseJackie Aug 2019 #117

This just a game to some people. MrsCoffee Aug 2019 #198

I agree Gothmog Aug 2019 #199

+1000000. ehrnst Aug 2019 #238

I disagree that it's disqualifying... but, it certainly raises a "red flag." InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #206

Biden needs to come out of the weeds on this issue... jcgoldie Aug 2019 #4

I see what you did there DesertRat Aug 2019 #9

You mean come INTO the weeds!! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #207

No worries. mobeau69 Aug 2019 #5

Ouch! But good one. KPN Aug 2019 #113

Okay, that was funny!! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #208

Deal breaker - I'm not voting for Joe in my state's primary. Quemado Aug 2019 #6

oh no, I can't kiss the sky. nt yaesu Aug 2019 #8

Many people use weed for pain management, not just to get high DesertRat Aug 2019 #13

Then you should support rescheduling DrToast Aug 2019 #29

I don't think their should be any restrictions on weed. There should be age limits for yaesu Aug 2019 #64

It's a good thing Biden want to "decriminalize" it and leave to the Cha Aug 2019 #159

I support legalization on a federal level, as do a majority of Americans. DesertRat Aug 2019 #166

Yes.. that would be great when we Cha Aug 2019 #169

I agree with you DesertRat Aug 2019 #187

I thought that was purple haze. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #48

there was a rich young man in our one factory town back around 1970, from a very well known yaesu Aug 2019 #67

LOL, well the rich kids used to get the best drugs, didn't they? PatrickforO Aug 2019 #122

Scuze me while I kiss the sky! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #211

Please drop out, Joe Cartoonist Aug 2019 #10

No shit! mobeau69 Aug 2019 #18

Pass the torch, Joe. Quemado Aug 2019 #41

Pass The Dutchie Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #149

And, Don't Bogart That Joint, Joe Quemado Aug 2019 #45

The OP is nonsense. Leaving it to the states is the best way, which was President Obama's policy Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #68

in general, leaving decisions to states that affect all Americans hasn't worked out well. Kurt V. Aug 2019 #129

I'm in Illinois, state #11 to pass a good bill for legalization. Everyone here feels it's a really Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #179

It's not the best way. progressoid Aug 2019 #214

I agree Joe is a out of step, but, sposedly, he has the best chance of defeating tRumpty Dumbty... InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #210

Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #12

well that is disturbing and unexpected. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #15

What's disturbing is people posting shit from the Daily Caller on DU BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #30

Everything from the Daily Caller is disturbing and unexpected, and about 99% false.... George II Aug 2019 #35

Typical right wing Daily Caller trash, "reportedly", meaning they made it up.... George II Aug 2019 #37

I think the best thing for Biden supporters is to find his policy on Marihuana Perseus Aug 2019 #92

Other than a sentence or two he really hasn't articulated an in-depth policy. Rightfully.... George II Aug 2019 #94

I think the best thing for Biden supporters is to make up their own mind on Joe. GemDigger Aug 2019 #143

Nothing has significantly changed in months. This article is just stirring it up. George II Aug 2019 #17

And the excuses just keep on coming. mobeau69 Aug 2019 #22

What excuses? Can anyone here or at Vice say specifically what Biden's plan is? George II Aug 2019 #26

Moving marijuana from schedule I to schedule II is the stupidest idea I have seen. Autumn Aug 2019 #21

Care to explain why you think it should remain Schedule I? DrToast Aug 2019 #23

Care to explain why you think it should be a Schedule II? I know what Joe thinks, but he's Autumn Aug 2019 #28

Yup. I expected that DrToast Aug 2019 #32

"No rational response." SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #49

Usual response from a Biden supporter. Your answer is in the article. Autumn Aug 2019 #77

So you believe making it Schedule II will make it harder to get? DrToast Aug 2019 #83

That's what some experts say. And if you bothered to read the article that spells out some more. Autumn Aug 2019 #98

I read the article. Now maybe you can read Biden's DrToast Aug 2019 #101

Unless the Controlled Substances Act is amended to fit the policies of individual states Autumn Aug 2019 #112

Those problems still exist under Schedule I. DrToast Aug 2019 #115

Which is why some of the candidates are for removing pot from the federal list of controlled Autumn Aug 2019 #119

If Biden supports leaving legalization to states... DrToast Aug 2019 #124

Why do you want to keep the decision out of the state's hands? Lordquinton Aug 2019 #154

I'm not. DrToast Aug 2019 #157

You ask a question and get an irrelevant question about why you think something you didn't.... George II Aug 2019 #167

Yes, please explain how you think YOU know what mr. Biden thinks Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #76

I pay attention to what he says, that's how I know what Biden thinks. nt Autumn Aug 2019 #81

Not buyin it, I'm listening to what you are saying but for me to say I know what YOU are thinking is Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #91

So you think that politicians who are campaigning don't talk about what they think? Autumn Aug 2019 #95

Once again... you are not in my head, I am not in yours... it is physically impossible Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #103

Nah, not interested. Autumn Aug 2019 #116

Yes, of course you're not. More factless opinion Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #177

Could you please try to be just a bit more petty? Cary Aug 2019 #239

Petty? I would try Cary but you have the market cornered on that with your insults. Autumn Aug 2019 #240

Oh.good! Cary Aug 2019 #241

Fair enough. Then what did BIDEN say (not what Vice says he said which he didn't say)? Thanks! George II Aug 2019 #168

You support him. If you don't know what his opinion is and what he thinks of Autumn Aug 2019 #171

You said you know what Biden thinks, but you don't want to say what that is? George II Aug 2019 #172

Then you should re read my posts. Start here and work your way down. Autumn Aug 2019 #173

That's what brought me here in the first place. You don't say anything about it.... George II Aug 2019 #174

Sure George sure. Autumn Aug 2019 #175

That's what the operator of the Central Park Carousel said when I asked, "can I get off now?".... George II Aug 2019 #178

I thought you were done with me? I guess not huh. Autumn Aug 2019 #180

Here's Mr. Biden's OFFICAL stance on weed, which should end it.. but Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #182

Indeed.. luv luv your waving happy lemon!! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #181

Made me go back and look. He is great and so is your description. emmaverybo Aug 2019 #204

You know what Joe thinks? LakeArenal Aug 2019 #108

Oh yes.. I'd like in on that mind meld as well!! Please Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #110

Right backatcha on the bias. As for the rest... I know what he said and unless he's lying Autumn Aug 2019 #114

Yes I am biased pro Biden LakeArenal Aug 2019 #142

And I don't take every opportunity to slam Biden. But on pot, he's way behind everyone. Autumn Aug 2019 #148

Sure you bet! LakeArenal Aug 2019 #153

I think that's the point. It needs to be OFF both schedules and legalized. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #46

If that's the point DrToast Aug 2019 #52

I don't see how you make that conclusion Cartoonist Aug 2019 #96

"No one is advocating a move to schedule II" DrToast Aug 2019 #102

And that's why they disagree with Joe. Cartoonist Aug 2019 #109

Wait...what? No one is advocating a move to schedule II? lapucelle Aug 2019 #130

That's all very nice Cartoonist Aug 2019 #140

Joe Biden is advocating for resheduling, and the OP is about his position on pot. lapucelle Aug 2019 #158

No one is not universal Cartoonist Aug 2019 #197

Legalizing pot on a federal level is more complicated than many people realize lapucelle Aug 2019 #217

Federal Cartoonist Aug 2019 #229

I suppose they could add a federal tax. lapucelle Aug 2019 #236

lol melman Aug 2019 #230

Why is it "the stupidest idea that [you've] ever seen"? lapucelle Aug 2019 #218

Today of all days.. I could give a flying you know what about whether you want to smoke or not.. as Peacetrain Aug 2019 #27

Biden stuck in 1930s kiri Aug 2019 #31

Baloney. crazytown Aug 2019 #33

Thank you! DrToast Aug 2019 #42

"Pearson is also a longtime supporter of Sen. Kamala Harris and recently appeared at a" fundraiser. Princetonian Aug 2019 #34

Yup, total clickbait trolling. Inflammatory headline and then an article that doesn't support it DrToast Aug 2019 #38

Not a single quote of Biden's nor an excerpt from any plan or proposal he's made. Hmmmm. George II Aug 2019 #40

FUD lapfog_1 Aug 2019 #36

Well, Biden has never been my first choice. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #39

Unfortunately he "didn't come out with this." Nothing in that Vice article says anything specific.. George II Aug 2019 #44

OK, fair enough. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #50

Thanks. He made a comment about possibly changing it from Schedule I to Schedule II, but.... George II Aug 2019 #56

It's on his web site. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #59

Like I said elsewhere here, one single sentence about "cannabis policy" buried in his.... George II Aug 2019 #74

Well no wonder no one knew where it was. Autumn Aug 2019 #134

No shit. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #135

Please see post #38 above if you read only what's posted here rather than the whole article Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #79

Cannabis is a Schedule 1 drug at the federal level at the moment. lapucelle Aug 2019 #90

Big Pharma doesn't need anymore help and too many peoples' lives have already Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #43

NORML has supported rescheduling legislation in the past. lapucelle Aug 2019 #72

How far back in the past are you speaking of? Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #126

2016 lapucelle Aug 2019 #132

People talk as if 'rescheduling' can only mean Schedule 2 ... but it DOESN'T mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #223

I understand the schedules. Your question concerning rescheduling to a catagory other than II lapucelle Aug 2019 #225

I don't really have any questions. I think any politician who DID happen to advocate for moving MJ mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #227

The shift to schedule II would put pot in a category of drugs with an accepted medical use, lapucelle Aug 2019 #234

That's a misleading and alarmist headline from the fine journalists at Vice. lapucelle Aug 2019 #51

Thank you. This thread is embarrassing. DrToast Aug 2019 #53

Distortions and fear mongering are generally not characteristic of Democratic Party discourse. lapucelle Aug 2019 #54

Vice.com had a more accurate, less fearmongering article a couple of weeks ago: highplainsdem Aug 2019 #58

Much better/fairer article DrToast Aug 2019 #71

About 3000th on my list of worries. I'll take Joe Biden any day. 33taw Aug 2019 #55

Biden's candidacy goes up in smoke! BamaRefugee Aug 2019 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author Captain Zero Aug 2019 #63

Read post #51. Article is misleading, at best. Pathwalker Aug 2019 #65

If you stay home on election day, you help Trump get re-elected. If you think there's anything okay highplainsdem Aug 2019 #66

"Hillary Clinton Campaign Says She Would Reschedule Marijuana" DrToast Aug 2019 #69

Her position was wrong too. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #133

I was asking Captain Zero if he sat out 2016 DrToast Aug 2019 #136

It's not 2016. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #137

Are you answering for Captain Zero? DrToast Aug 2019 #139

Your terrible attitude is exactly why we have what we have. Guess you must be okay with 4 more yrs Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #85

Hey Joe, I love you, but this is just not good. lark Aug 2019 #80

There just shouldn't be any gray area or in-betweens on marijuana legalization mtnsnake Aug 2019 #82

Moving it from C-I to C-II is almost a waste of time. MarvinGardens Aug 2019 #84

It's about research. DrToast Aug 2019 #87

Sorry, but that attack is silly RGTIndy Aug 2019 #86

Thank you for your knowledgeable explanatory post Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #88

Thank you for your post. lapucelle Aug 2019 #97

Joe Biden supports decriminalizing marijuana, stops short of calling for legalization Gothmog Aug 2019 #99

... Scurrilous Aug 2019 #120

70% of the country want mj to be legal...why won't he listen? questionseverything Aug 2019 #183

Bet you most people didn't even bother to read the article awesomerwb1 Aug 2019 #105

Oregon bluedovepdx Aug 2019 #107

That's Oregon's decision DrToast Aug 2019 #111

screening bluedovepdx Aug 2019 #118

Marijuana testing is always going to be tricky DrToast Aug 2019 #121

random bluedovepdx Aug 2019 #125

Don't have any legal or illegal weed. Never have, never will. elocs Aug 2019 #123

it's about everyone bluedovepdx Aug 2019 #127

Over 500,000 marijuana arrests every year. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #150

at a cost of about 30 grand a piece to punish questionseverything Aug 2019 #201

India and Pakistan are coming close to nuclear conflict. Russia, NK, Iran, China--all these threats emmaverybo Aug 2019 #138

I'd forgotten VP Biden's involvement in India-Pakistan Hortensis Aug 2019 #151

My gosh! I admit I did not know about Biden's involvement under Obama, but just that experts emmaverybo Aug 2019 #196

Same. Again, I appreciate your breaking one of the Hortensis Aug 2019 #212

Personally, I'm opposed to recreational weed being readily available. NNadir Aug 2019 #141

Good spin; what is the other side of the argument treestar Aug 2019 #144

Keep evolving Joe. You'll get there eventually. aikoaiko Aug 2019 #170

Not every Democratic voter is in favor of legalization. Princetonian Aug 2019 #176

Of course, just most Democrats, most Independents, most adults in general. aikoaiko Aug 2019 #184

Did Gallup poll an even breakdown by racial demographic, religion, sex, marital status and age? Princetonian Aug 2019 #186

The linked Gallup report includes age and is more recent. aikoaiko Aug 2019 #188

Nevertheless, it is not a wise thing to confuse what is popular with what is good. NNadir Aug 2019 #191

Is the standard for legal recreational drugs is alcohol, then weed is fine by comparison. aikoaiko Aug 2019 #192

Um, an argument that alcohol is not good for you does not imply that weed is good for you. NNadir Aug 2019 #193

Show us a study that it isn't jcgoldie Aug 2019 #194

Pretty much every working day I am involved with the primary scientific literature. NNadir Aug 2019 #195

Most advocates are talking about adult use of cannabis. aikoaiko Aug 2019 #226

I am familiar with the argument, also advanced... NNadir Aug 2019 #231

I hate that we put migrants into cages too. aikoaiko Aug 2019 #232

Opposition to expanding increased pot access... NNadir Aug 2019 #233

Then you better hide it from him. betsuni Aug 2019 #190

Preposterous. The weed genie is already out of BootinUp Aug 2019 #200

eggs-ackly ucrdem Aug 2019 #203

"there could be no recreational marijuana at all." LOLOLOLOL ucrdem Aug 2019 #202

500,000 arrests annually, primarily poc Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #216

I keep wondering.... quickesst Aug 2019 #209

Well he can have some, but he's gotta bring some snacks and beer. aidbo Aug 2019 #213

I will not vote for Joe in the primaries because of several issues duforsure Aug 2019 #215

Not surprising that the field's centrist candidate is out-of-step with a progressive issue Tarc Aug 2019 #235

I think this has bern debunked. Joe941 Aug 2019 #242