Democratic Primaries

NNadir

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231. I am familiar with the argument, also advanced...

Tue Aug 6, 2019, 01:18 PM

Aug 2019

...for cigarette taxes and alcohol taxes.

The reality however is that no one really follows up to see if these taxes end up in the general fund.

I personally do not believe that the physiological damage associated with pot use ends when one turns 21.

I also note that the use of the legal, and undoubtedly worse drugs alcohol and tobacco is higher among adolescents than pot use is. This I take as evidence that it is not a good idea to expand access to any drug.

In any case an argument that Joe Biden is a bad guy because he's restrained in his enthusiasm for legal pot does not translate into a productive argument. There are children living in cages for crying out loud!

Our sybartic interest in the importance of getting high in light of this state of affairs is a little questionable at this point.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Joe Biden Is Coming for Your Legal Weed [View all] Voltaire2 Aug 2019 OP

More attacks... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #1

His position is wrong and out of step. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #7

He's the best choice because he is most experienced nationally and especially globally. LakeArenal Aug 2019 #19

Oh boy. You said it. NT emmaverybo Aug 2019 #25

"Former Drug Warrior Biden Unveils Cannabis Decriminalization Plan" Hortensis Aug 2019 #70

Important post. Thanks for the link and your insight. NT emmaverybo Aug 2019 #131

Former drug warrior does no such thing Lordquinton Aug 2019 #147

Mine is from an industry source with very strong interest Hortensis Aug 2019 #152

If Marihuana is criminalized you may be able to find it, but then you could go to jail Perseus Aug 2019 #89

It's already criminalized. Biden wants to decriminalize it DrToast Aug 2019 #93

You are using facts against an anti-Biden hit piece Gothmog Aug 2019 #100

Maybe you may turn out a lemming, but I assure you I won't.... LakeArenal Aug 2019 #106

I don't know if it's a good or bad policy treestar Aug 2019 #145

+1 -K&R onetexan Aug 2019 #161

Fair point. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #205

The Vice headline is a misleading distortion. lapucelle Aug 2019 #57

Tip of the hat and thanks! LakeArenal Aug 2019 #61

Former Drug Warrior Biden Unveils Cannabis Decriminalization Plan Gothmog Aug 2019 #104

This hit job of a OP is not true. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #160

this is so wrong Champion Jack Aug 2019 #185

The article is nonsense DrToast Aug 2019 #14

Agitprop for idiots. ANSWER: What is congress. Hortensis Aug 2019 #60

I know but they have nothing...all the other stuff has failed from flores to I was that girl... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #162

Yeah, Flores led me to DU to stand up for Joe and "I was that girl" Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #219

Me too...and yesterday a poster out and out said he wouldn't vote for Joe in the General...and Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #222

Because this is a bad policy that should be called out. Biden shouldn't get a pass on it, pnwmom Aug 2019 #16

Unfortunately nothing from that article is based on Biden's "policy". George II Aug 2019 #47

Oh please...none of this shit will work...but have at it... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #155

I think the key to beating Trump has to do more with GOTV pnwmom Aug 2019 #156

It really doesn't...it matters what states you can win...if Trump win PA, WI and MI...he wins... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #163

He only won those states -- all of which were strongly impacted by voter suppression -- pnwmom Aug 2019 #165

Really? Andy823 Aug 2019 #20

Please point things out, you are entitled to your opinion. Opinions and facts- 2 different things Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #73

Sorry...she started the 'I was that girl" campaign...complete with t shires...so no. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #164

She was the girl Andy823 Aug 2019 #189

9% Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #220

7 months Andy823 Aug 2019 #221

Yeah you are right he was...I guess he didn't expect to be stabbed in the back by Harris Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #224

Backfired bigly! Per Morning Consult's post-debate analysis: Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #228

Thank you Sky...I hoped this would be the outcome...and have to laugh at the outrage over Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #237

I agree, I think many of these "undecideds" are anything but that. redstatebluegirl Aug 2019 #128

Not cool, Joe. Not cool. ancianita Aug 2019 #2

This is disqualifying Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #3

LOL NurseJackie Aug 2019 #11

Indeed LOL Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #75

and another treestar Aug 2019 #146

He need to drop out. Sooner rather than later. Autumn Aug 2019 #24

Disqualifying is hiring people in your campaign who voted for Jill Stein still_one Aug 2019 #78

Thank you! THAT is TRULY something that's disqualifying. NurseJackie Aug 2019 #117

This just a game to some people. MrsCoffee Aug 2019 #198

I agree Gothmog Aug 2019 #199

+1000000. ehrnst Aug 2019 #238

I disagree that it's disqualifying... but, it certainly raises a "red flag." InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #206

Biden needs to come out of the weeds on this issue... jcgoldie Aug 2019 #4

I see what you did there DesertRat Aug 2019 #9

You mean come INTO the weeds!! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #207

No worries. mobeau69 Aug 2019 #5

Ouch! But good one. KPN Aug 2019 #113

Okay, that was funny!! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #208

Deal breaker - I'm not voting for Joe in my state's primary. Quemado Aug 2019 #6

oh no, I can't kiss the sky. nt yaesu Aug 2019 #8

Many people use weed for pain management, not just to get high DesertRat Aug 2019 #13

Then you should support rescheduling DrToast Aug 2019 #29

I don't think their should be any restrictions on weed. There should be age limits for yaesu Aug 2019 #64

It's a good thing Biden want to "decriminalize" it and leave to the Cha Aug 2019 #159

I support legalization on a federal level, as do a majority of Americans. DesertRat Aug 2019 #166

Yes.. that would be great when we Cha Aug 2019 #169

I agree with you DesertRat Aug 2019 #187

I thought that was purple haze. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #48

there was a rich young man in our one factory town back around 1970, from a very well known yaesu Aug 2019 #67

LOL, well the rich kids used to get the best drugs, didn't they? PatrickforO Aug 2019 #122

Scuze me while I kiss the sky! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #211

Please drop out, Joe Cartoonist Aug 2019 #10

No shit! mobeau69 Aug 2019 #18

Pass the torch, Joe. Quemado Aug 2019 #41

Pass The Dutchie Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #149

And, Don't Bogart That Joint, Joe Quemado Aug 2019 #45

The OP is nonsense. Leaving it to the states is the best way, which was President Obama's policy Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #68

in general, leaving decisions to states that affect all Americans hasn't worked out well. Kurt V. Aug 2019 #129

I'm in Illinois, state #11 to pass a good bill for legalization. Everyone here feels it's a really Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #179

It's not the best way. progressoid Aug 2019 #214

I agree Joe is a out of step, but, sposedly, he has the best chance of defeating tRumpty Dumbty... InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #210

Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #12

well that is disturbing and unexpected. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #15

What's disturbing is people posting shit from the Daily Caller on DU BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #30

Everything from the Daily Caller is disturbing and unexpected, and about 99% false.... George II Aug 2019 #35

Typical right wing Daily Caller trash, "reportedly", meaning they made it up.... George II Aug 2019 #37

I think the best thing for Biden supporters is to find his policy on Marihuana Perseus Aug 2019 #92

Other than a sentence or two he really hasn't articulated an in-depth policy. Rightfully.... George II Aug 2019 #94

I think the best thing for Biden supporters is to make up their own mind on Joe. GemDigger Aug 2019 #143

Nothing has significantly changed in months. This article is just stirring it up. George II Aug 2019 #17

And the excuses just keep on coming. mobeau69 Aug 2019 #22

What excuses? Can anyone here or at Vice say specifically what Biden's plan is? George II Aug 2019 #26

Moving marijuana from schedule I to schedule II is the stupidest idea I have seen. Autumn Aug 2019 #21

Care to explain why you think it should remain Schedule I? DrToast Aug 2019 #23

Care to explain why you think it should be a Schedule II? I know what Joe thinks, but he's Autumn Aug 2019 #28

Yup. I expected that DrToast Aug 2019 #32

"No rational response." SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #49

Usual response from a Biden supporter. Your answer is in the article. Autumn Aug 2019 #77

So you believe making it Schedule II will make it harder to get? DrToast Aug 2019 #83

That's what some experts say. And if you bothered to read the article that spells out some more. Autumn Aug 2019 #98

I read the article. Now maybe you can read Biden's DrToast Aug 2019 #101

Unless the Controlled Substances Act is amended to fit the policies of individual states Autumn Aug 2019 #112

Those problems still exist under Schedule I. DrToast Aug 2019 #115

Which is why some of the candidates are for removing pot from the federal list of controlled Autumn Aug 2019 #119

If Biden supports leaving legalization to states... DrToast Aug 2019 #124

Why do you want to keep the decision out of the state's hands? Lordquinton Aug 2019 #154

I'm not. DrToast Aug 2019 #157

You ask a question and get an irrelevant question about why you think something you didn't.... George II Aug 2019 #167

Yes, please explain how you think YOU know what mr. Biden thinks Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #76

I pay attention to what he says, that's how I know what Biden thinks. nt Autumn Aug 2019 #81

Not buyin it, I'm listening to what you are saying but for me to say I know what YOU are thinking is Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #91

So you think that politicians who are campaigning don't talk about what they think? Autumn Aug 2019 #95

Once again... you are not in my head, I am not in yours... it is physically impossible Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #103

Nah, not interested. Autumn Aug 2019 #116

Yes, of course you're not. More factless opinion Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #177

Could you please try to be just a bit more petty? Cary Aug 2019 #239

Petty? I would try Cary but you have the market cornered on that with your insults. Autumn Aug 2019 #240

Oh.good! Cary Aug 2019 #241

Fair enough. Then what did BIDEN say (not what Vice says he said which he didn't say)? Thanks! George II Aug 2019 #168

You support him. If you don't know what his opinion is and what he thinks of Autumn Aug 2019 #171

You said you know what Biden thinks, but you don't want to say what that is? George II Aug 2019 #172

Then you should re read my posts. Start here and work your way down. Autumn Aug 2019 #173

That's what brought me here in the first place. You don't say anything about it.... George II Aug 2019 #174

Sure George sure. Autumn Aug 2019 #175

That's what the operator of the Central Park Carousel said when I asked, "can I get off now?".... George II Aug 2019 #178

I thought you were done with me? I guess not huh. Autumn Aug 2019 #180

Here's Mr. Biden's OFFICAL stance on weed, which should end it.. but Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #182

Indeed.. luv luv your waving happy lemon!! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #181

Made me go back and look. He is great and so is your description. emmaverybo Aug 2019 #204

You know what Joe thinks? LakeArenal Aug 2019 #108

Oh yes.. I'd like in on that mind meld as well!! Please Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #110

Right backatcha on the bias. As for the rest... I know what he said and unless he's lying Autumn Aug 2019 #114

Yes I am biased pro Biden LakeArenal Aug 2019 #142

And I don't take every opportunity to slam Biden. But on pot, he's way behind everyone. Autumn Aug 2019 #148

Sure you bet! LakeArenal Aug 2019 #153

I think that's the point. It needs to be OFF both schedules and legalized. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #46

If that's the point DrToast Aug 2019 #52

I don't see how you make that conclusion Cartoonist Aug 2019 #96

"No one is advocating a move to schedule II" DrToast Aug 2019 #102

And that's why they disagree with Joe. Cartoonist Aug 2019 #109

Wait...what? No one is advocating a move to schedule II? lapucelle Aug 2019 #130

That's all very nice Cartoonist Aug 2019 #140

Joe Biden is advocating for resheduling, and the OP is about his position on pot. lapucelle Aug 2019 #158

No one is not universal Cartoonist Aug 2019 #197

Legalizing pot on a federal level is more complicated than many people realize lapucelle Aug 2019 #217

Federal Cartoonist Aug 2019 #229

I suppose they could add a federal tax. lapucelle Aug 2019 #236

lol melman Aug 2019 #230

Why is it "the stupidest idea that [you've] ever seen"? lapucelle Aug 2019 #218

Today of all days.. I could give a flying you know what about whether you want to smoke or not.. as Peacetrain Aug 2019 #27

Biden stuck in 1930s kiri Aug 2019 #31

Baloney. crazytown Aug 2019 #33

Thank you! DrToast Aug 2019 #42

"Pearson is also a longtime supporter of Sen. Kamala Harris and recently appeared at a" fundraiser. Princetonian Aug 2019 #34

Yup, total clickbait trolling. Inflammatory headline and then an article that doesn't support it DrToast Aug 2019 #38

Not a single quote of Biden's nor an excerpt from any plan or proposal he's made. Hmmmm. George II Aug 2019 #40

FUD lapfog_1 Aug 2019 #36

Well, Biden has never been my first choice. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #39

Unfortunately he "didn't come out with this." Nothing in that Vice article says anything specific.. George II Aug 2019 #44

OK, fair enough. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #50

Thanks. He made a comment about possibly changing it from Schedule I to Schedule II, but.... George II Aug 2019 #56

It's on his web site. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #59

Like I said elsewhere here, one single sentence about "cannabis policy" buried in his.... George II Aug 2019 #74

Well no wonder no one knew where it was. Autumn Aug 2019 #134

No shit. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #135

Please see post #38 above if you read only what's posted here rather than the whole article Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #79

Cannabis is a Schedule 1 drug at the federal level at the moment. lapucelle Aug 2019 #90

Big Pharma doesn't need anymore help and too many peoples' lives have already Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #43

NORML has supported rescheduling legislation in the past. lapucelle Aug 2019 #72

How far back in the past are you speaking of? Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #126

2016 lapucelle Aug 2019 #132

People talk as if 'rescheduling' can only mean Schedule 2 ... but it DOESN'T mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #223

I understand the schedules. Your question concerning rescheduling to a catagory other than II lapucelle Aug 2019 #225

I don't really have any questions. I think any politician who DID happen to advocate for moving MJ mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #227

The shift to schedule II would put pot in a category of drugs with an accepted medical use, lapucelle Aug 2019 #234

That's a misleading and alarmist headline from the fine journalists at Vice. lapucelle Aug 2019 #51

Thank you. This thread is embarrassing. DrToast Aug 2019 #53

Distortions and fear mongering are generally not characteristic of Democratic Party discourse. lapucelle Aug 2019 #54

Vice.com had a more accurate, less fearmongering article a couple of weeks ago: highplainsdem Aug 2019 #58

Much better/fairer article DrToast Aug 2019 #71

About 3000th on my list of worries. I'll take Joe Biden any day. 33taw Aug 2019 #55

Biden's candidacy goes up in smoke! BamaRefugee Aug 2019 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author Captain Zero Aug 2019 #63

Read post #51. Article is misleading, at best. Pathwalker Aug 2019 #65

If you stay home on election day, you help Trump get re-elected. If you think there's anything okay highplainsdem Aug 2019 #66

"Hillary Clinton Campaign Says She Would Reschedule Marijuana" DrToast Aug 2019 #69

Her position was wrong too. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #133

I was asking Captain Zero if he sat out 2016 DrToast Aug 2019 #136

It's not 2016. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #137

Are you answering for Captain Zero? DrToast Aug 2019 #139

Your terrible attitude is exactly why we have what we have. Guess you must be okay with 4 more yrs Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #85

Hey Joe, I love you, but this is just not good. lark Aug 2019 #80

There just shouldn't be any gray area or in-betweens on marijuana legalization mtnsnake Aug 2019 #82

Moving it from C-I to C-II is almost a waste of time. MarvinGardens Aug 2019 #84

It's about research. DrToast Aug 2019 #87

Sorry, but that attack is silly RGTIndy Aug 2019 #86

Thank you for your knowledgeable explanatory post Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #88

Thank you for your post. lapucelle Aug 2019 #97

Joe Biden supports decriminalizing marijuana, stops short of calling for legalization Gothmog Aug 2019 #99

... Scurrilous Aug 2019 #120

70% of the country want mj to be legal...why won't he listen? questionseverything Aug 2019 #183

Bet you most people didn't even bother to read the article awesomerwb1 Aug 2019 #105

Oregon bluedovepdx Aug 2019 #107

That's Oregon's decision DrToast Aug 2019 #111

screening bluedovepdx Aug 2019 #118

Marijuana testing is always going to be tricky DrToast Aug 2019 #121

random bluedovepdx Aug 2019 #125

Don't have any legal or illegal weed. Never have, never will. elocs Aug 2019 #123

it's about everyone bluedovepdx Aug 2019 #127

Over 500,000 marijuana arrests every year. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #150

at a cost of about 30 grand a piece to punish questionseverything Aug 2019 #201

India and Pakistan are coming close to nuclear conflict. Russia, NK, Iran, China--all these threats emmaverybo Aug 2019 #138

I'd forgotten VP Biden's involvement in India-Pakistan Hortensis Aug 2019 #151

My gosh! I admit I did not know about Biden's involvement under Obama, but just that experts emmaverybo Aug 2019 #196

Same. Again, I appreciate your breaking one of the Hortensis Aug 2019 #212

Personally, I'm opposed to recreational weed being readily available. NNadir Aug 2019 #141

Good spin; what is the other side of the argument treestar Aug 2019 #144

Keep evolving Joe. You'll get there eventually. aikoaiko Aug 2019 #170

Not every Democratic voter is in favor of legalization. Princetonian Aug 2019 #176

Of course, just most Democrats, most Independents, most adults in general. aikoaiko Aug 2019 #184

Did Gallup poll an even breakdown by racial demographic, religion, sex, marital status and age? Princetonian Aug 2019 #186

The linked Gallup report includes age and is more recent. aikoaiko Aug 2019 #188

Nevertheless, it is not a wise thing to confuse what is popular with what is good. NNadir Aug 2019 #191

Is the standard for legal recreational drugs is alcohol, then weed is fine by comparison. aikoaiko Aug 2019 #192

Um, an argument that alcohol is not good for you does not imply that weed is good for you. NNadir Aug 2019 #193

Show us a study that it isn't jcgoldie Aug 2019 #194

Pretty much every working day I am involved with the primary scientific literature. NNadir Aug 2019 #195

Most advocates are talking about adult use of cannabis. aikoaiko Aug 2019 #226

I am familiar with the argument, also advanced... NNadir Aug 2019 #231

I hate that we put migrants into cages too. aikoaiko Aug 2019 #232

Opposition to expanding increased pot access... NNadir Aug 2019 #233

Then you better hide it from him. betsuni Aug 2019 #190

Preposterous. The weed genie is already out of BootinUp Aug 2019 #200

eggs-ackly ucrdem Aug 2019 #203

"there could be no recreational marijuana at all." LOLOLOLOL ucrdem Aug 2019 #202

500,000 arrests annually, primarily poc Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #216

I keep wondering.... quickesst Aug 2019 #209

Well he can have some, but he's gotta bring some snacks and beer. aidbo Aug 2019 #213

I will not vote for Joe in the primaries because of several issues duforsure Aug 2019 #215

Not surprising that the field's centrist candidate is out-of-step with a progressive issue Tarc Aug 2019 #235

I think this has bern debunked. Joe941 Aug 2019 #242