Democratic Primaries

The Velveteen Ocelot

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13. If Dem voters care about defeating Trump they won't care about

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 08:42 PM

Mar 2019

self-defeating demands for ideological purity. Regardless of whether a particular candidate is alleged by somebody, for their own purposes, to be centrist or conservative or moderate or progressive or socialist or anything the fuck else, what really matters is that they can defeat Trump. Nothing else. Though I supported Bernie in the 2016 primaries it will almost certainly be someone else this time. Maybe Harris, maybe Beto, maybe Biden, maybe Booker, I don't know yet. But it will be somebody who can get past the ideological bullshit that makes Dems fight among themselves and provokes the ratf*cking of other Democrats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Beto O'Rourke's voting record is more conservative than the average Democrat's [View all] Lazy Daisy Mar 2019 OP

More 'conservative,' or more 'moderate?' elleng Mar 2019 #1

More conservative would be accurate. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #32

Thanks. elleng Mar 2019 #35

I. Don't. Care. I've said this before and I'll say it again: The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #2

+1. America can't afford another four years of the abomination dalton99a Mar 2019 #7

Understood Lazy Daisy Mar 2019 #10

Winning a statewide race in Texas is not the same as winning 270+ electoral votes. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #11

Winning a statewide race in California is definitely not the same as winning the electoral college Bradshaw3 Mar 2019 #15

Harris would bring out the Obama coalition that got that liberal from Chicago 365 electoral votes. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #20

We're determined to turn WI blue again in 2020. BlueWI Mar 2019 #53

Unfortunately Harris is not Obama Bradshaw3 Mar 2019 #64

About those Obama voters who voted for Trump: Garrett78 Mar 2019 #65

Nothing posted here disputes what I wrote Bradshaw3 Mar 2019 #69

You're not backing up your assertions with facts. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #70

Actually you are the one not backing up your claims Bradshaw3 Mar 2019 #71

I agree Lazy Daisy Mar 2019 #17

I think Beto is a strong candidate, too. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #21

Exactly, and winning a statewide election in Vermont, with a 95% Caucasian electorate.... George II Mar 2019 #54

If Dem voters care about defeating Trump they won't care about The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #13

You're failing to acknowledge Lazy Daisy Mar 2019 #14

Obviously you think Bernie can do that. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #16

Fair enough Lazy Daisy Mar 2019 #18

Beto is much more likely to beat Trump than most of our candidates scheming daemons Mar 2019 #57

x1000! peggysue2 Mar 2019 #22

I think someone in the primary field feels threatened. RandySF Mar 2019 #3

Ahh- the whiff of fear from Bernie world redstateblues Mar 2019 #4

No, just the regular take down their opponent through insinuation. nt Blue_true Mar 2019 #12

It would seem that way, The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #23

Talking about a candidate's record isn't a take down melman Mar 2019 #24

When the "talk" are lies then it is a takedown. Blue_true Mar 2019 #29

What "lies" are in my OP? Lazy Daisy Mar 2019 #33

The claim that Beto didn't support a living wage. Blue_true Mar 2019 #36

Did you read this OP? Lazy Daisy Mar 2019 #38

Beto's ACTUAL record is Congress was MORE progressive that Bernie's record when both were in the Blue_true Mar 2019 #67

your innuendo about me aside Lazy Daisy Mar 2019 #68

But that's not what's happening melman Mar 2019 #37

What's your take on posts like this? George II Mar 2019 #55

Does Beto support Medicare-for-all? melman Mar 2019 #60

That's not the point, you said: George II Mar 2019 #61

Yeah it actually is the point melman Mar 2019 #62

Well if you're not going to address the problem that you originally responded to.... George II Mar 2019 #63

Thank you Lazy Daisy Mar 2019 #31

Misrepresenting it is. George II Mar 2019 #51

Amazing! Beto represented his constituents? He did the job he was elected to do. Freethinker65 Mar 2019 #5

If Joe jumps in workinclasszero Mar 2019 #6

And I also don't care about that. I care about whether he can beat Trump. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #8

Yes! peggysue2 Mar 2019 #25

Yeah I realize lots of comfortable people workinclasszero Mar 2019 #30

So only clueless, insensitive, wealthy folks fail to support Bernie? The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #43

Post removed Post removed Mar 2019 #45

What's that supposed to mean? I'm not... George II Mar 2019 #47

, TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #46

I am not wealthy (nor comfortable) handmade34 Mar 2019 #50

"conservative" lol TwilightZone Mar 2019 #28

Joe Biden is a conservative? George II Mar 2019 #48

You know what happens when you assume... MrsCoffee Mar 2019 #52

I'd like to hear what he proposes in terms of policy. David__77 Mar 2019 #9

Beto is my first choice and Klobuchar second Awsi Dooger Mar 2019 #19

To be fair, Florida Bull Mar 2019 #58

Beto is making us have a meltdown thread #18 forklift Mar 2019 #26

ROFL really! Amimnoch Mar 2019 #34

As the article notes, it's about what you'd expect from someone running a statewide campaign in TX. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #27

Some people say obnoxiousdrunk Mar 2019 #39

Yep Lazy Daisy Mar 2019 #40

More BS about Beto jcgoldie Mar 2019 #41

Love Beto Sugarcoated Mar 2019 #42

"O'Rourke is quite a bit more liberal than the most conservative Democrats. Hortensis Mar 2019 #44

Here we go!! George II Mar 2019 #49

IMHO, it's still way too early to decide who the democratic presidential candidate will ... SWBTATTReg Mar 2019 #56

One thing I want to emphasize, Florida Bull Mar 2019 #59

I don't care one fuck if he is a bit more conservative. He's a Democrat, not a socialist. leftofcool Mar 2019 #66