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141. LONG ENOUGH

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 12:44 PM

Aug 2019

...YOUR CONVICTED KILLER LOOKS GUILTY OF HEINOUS SLAYINGS, AND MULTIPLE, AGGRAVATED RAPES.

WHY HASN'T NEWSOME PARDONED HIM? WHY DIDN'T JERRY BROWN?

NEITHER OF THEM PROGRESSIVE ENOUGH?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Politifact updates article on Gabbard charges against Kamala (Lockups for pot actually dropped 83%) [View all] bigtree Aug 2019 OP

you don't say qazplm135 Aug 2019 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2019 #3

Does the flip side of this mean you have an agenda to R B Garr Aug 2019 #91

I attributed that to Gabbard and people working overtime to fan the flames of that debate encounter bigtree Aug 2019 #202

That's not even close to accurate. And I thought I was on R B Garr Aug 2019 #204

Don't hold your breath mcar Aug 2019 #9

I won't qazplm135 Aug 2019 #10

How can I see who alerts on me? NT SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #64

well I've only been qazplm135 Aug 2019 #65

Follow up question. SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #69

people send you a PM Go Vols Aug 2019 #81

Many here, the usual suspects, jumped all over themselves to trash Harris' AG record... brush Aug 2019 #53

Russian misinformation campaign hard at work. Many will only remember Tulsi's charge Dream Girl Aug 2019 #2

willful ignorance bigtree Aug 2019 #7

That is how it works, many will throw up their hands in disgust and say Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #173

Good info. Yes, dropped 83% from her first year to her last. Boykin's tweet is off though. thesquanderer Aug 2019 #4

it's as clear as day bigtree Aug 2019 #5

Yes, the article is correct. I was commenting on someone's tweeted interpretation. (n/t) thesquanderer Aug 2019 #6

you can see a steep drop in 2012, a year after she took office bigtree Aug 2019 #11

So Tulsi lied mcar Aug 2019 #8

No. "Fact-checking the Democratic debate attacks against Kamala Harris" (San Francisco Chronicle) Princetonian Aug 2019 #12

The paragraph OMITS that this came from Free Beacon bigtree Aug 2019 #14

lol... that is irrelevent to the fact that the San Francisco Chronicle backs up Tulsi Gabbard. Princetonian Aug 2019 #17

not one sentence in that article 'backs up Gabbard' outside of reposting rw propaganda bigtree Aug 2019 #18

I respectfully disagree with your characterization. Princetonian Aug 2019 #20

It's false, and doubling down on a debunked conservative source isn't a good look. W_HAMILTON Aug 2019 #33

You mean the same "conservative source" that the OP quotes? Princetonian Aug 2019 #34

Sigh...here you go: W_HAMILTON Aug 2019 #40

As AG, the buck stopped with Harris. The Mercury Press backs up the SF Chronicle's updated numbers. Princetonian Aug 2019 #45

HERE ARE THE ACTUAL NUMBERS FROM THE ACTUAL SOURCE bigtree Aug 2019 #46

I thought you were done talking to me? The Mercury Press and San Francisco Chronicle concur... Princetonian Aug 2019 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2019 #49

I respectfully agree, bigtree. Princetonian Aug 2019 #54

THIS IS A GOVERNMENT DOCUMENT bigtree Aug 2019 #74

Why did the department spokesman give 1974 as the number to both newspapers this past week? Princetonian Aug 2019 #78

. bigtree Aug 2019 #79

welcome back oberliner jcgoldie Aug 2019 #82

Bazinga! George II Aug 2019 #88

lol bigtree Aug 2019 #92

ohhhh ??? that makes a lot of sense now JI7 Aug 2019 #93

Omg thank you. MrsCoffee Aug 2019 #101

Soon after graduating from High School, a good friend of mine... George II Aug 2019 #171

I had a friend NYMinute Aug 2019 #193

Oh my Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #154

I am curious Andy823 Aug 2019 #28

... lapucelle Aug 2019 #59

lol Princetonian Aug 2019 #63

... lapucelle Aug 2019 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle Aug 2019 #66

I can think of only two reasons anyone would support Gabbard. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #155

But no one will remember that the lie was a lie Dream Girl Aug 2019 #13

Inconvenient facts can lead to willful ignorance. Princetonian Aug 2019 #15

the 'charges' are old and disproved. bigtree Aug 2019 #16

Neither The San Francisco Chronicle nor Rolling Stone are "right-wing, conservative" purveyors. Princetonian Aug 2019 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2019 #21

Everyone here can see that I posted an excerpt from The San Francisco Chronicle Debate Fact Check. Princetonian Aug 2019 #22

She did her job mcar Aug 2019 #26

Exactly! Dream Girl Aug 2019 #50

KGB is working daily on message boards and Twitter to get people NOT to trust Kamala Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #156

Lord, give me strength! Princetonian Aug 2019 #157

I dont think it is funny, they did it in 2016 and are doing it again. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #158

"to get people NOT to trust Kamala" is the funny part of what you said Princetonian Aug 2019 #166

They sure are mcar Aug 2019 #159

I cant IMAGINE anyone reacting to that statement of FACT by laughing, can you? Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #160

I'm taking it very seriously mcar Aug 2019 #161

I think all democrats and all decent republicans are taking it seriously. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #162

K&R DesertRat Aug 2019 #23

Lockups for pot DROPPED 83% under Kamala. Hortensis Aug 2019 #24

Not according to a CA Dep't. Of Corrections and Rehabilitation spokesman... Princetonian Aug 2019 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2019 #27

Did Politifact bother to speak to a CA Dep't. of Corrections and Rehabilitation spokesman? Princetonian Aug 2019 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2019 #30

I respectfully disagree. Princetonian Aug 2019 #32

JOE FUCKNUT GARAFOLI ISN'T WITH THE CORRECTIONS DEPT. bigtree Aug 2019 #36

Some posters aren't interested in facts...nt SidDithers Aug 2019 #38

Irony is dead. Princetonian Aug 2019 #42

THAT WORD DOESN'T MEAN WHAT YOU THINK IT DOES. bigtree Aug 2019 #44

I respectfully disagree. Princetonian Aug 2019 #52

. bigtree Aug 2019 #77

Oh it's you...nt SidDithers Aug 2019 #57

No need to shout, bigtree. Anyway, strawman fail. I never said he was. Princetonian Aug 2019 #41

WE'RE DONE TALKING ANYWAY bigtree Aug 2019 #43

Insisting you're right when you're not, persistently. Claritie Pixie Aug 2019 #72

I am right if you believe in well-sourced facts over baseless invective. Princetonian Aug 2019 #73

. bigtree Aug 2019 #75

Your OP proves Gabbard was telling the truth: 1883 + 92 is 1975 Princetonian Aug 2019 #119

...THE HAND bigtree Aug 2019 #126

Free Beacon & Tulsi Me. Aug 2019 #31

Um, Free Beacon figures prominently in the OP in an excerpt. Princetonian Aug 2019 #35

. bigtree Aug 2019 #37

Um, I Think I'll Go With Politifact Me. Aug 2019 #47

The Mercury Press & The San Francisco Chronicle concur on 1974 as the correct updated number. Princetonian Aug 2019 #51

Like I Said... Me. Aug 2019 #56

They were off by one in the reporting sweetloukillbot Aug 2019 #80

EXCEPT KAMALA HARRIS WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE PROSECUTIONS bigtree Aug 2019 #96

As AG, the buck stopped with Harris. And DUers have never been averse to using Free Beacon before. Princetonian Aug 2019 #102

WHEN YOU'RE GETTING YOUR FACTS AND FIGURES FROM A RIGHT WING RAG TO DEFEND YOUR CANDIDATE bigtree Aug 2019 #107

The 1974 number is confirmed by a department spokesman. Politifact uses those numbers. Princetonian Aug 2019 #108

IRRELEVANT bigtree Aug 2019 #111

The buck stops at the top.Harris refuted nothing when CNN asked her about it and played the video. Princetonian Aug 2019 #113

. bigtree Aug 2019 #115

Harris did directly prosecute marijuana cases as San Francisco district attorney from 2004-2010 Princetonian Aug 2019 #121

GABBARD'S CHARGES COVERED HER TIME AS AG bigtree Aug 2019 #125

As AG, the buck stops at the top. On CNN, Harris did not refute Gabbard's claims. Princetonian Aug 2019 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2019 #136

"Bleating". Then it's understandable when Biden ignores R B Garr Aug 2019 #197

Yup...nt SidDithers Aug 2019 #39

Narratives based on wrong facts and misleading innuendo appear to be working already. lapucelle Aug 2019 #55

"Mensa did not speak for the campaign" Me. Aug 2019 #58

"I recognize that token black people are propped up to positions within the imperialistic, lapucelle Aug 2019 #60

THe BUck Stops At The Top Me. Aug 2019 #62

DUrec... SidDithers Aug 2019 #61

Gabbard really took some shots that probably hurt Harris. SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #68

Ah yes, the attack-and-make-shit-up tactic. Claritie Pixie Aug 2019 #70

Gabbard is a strange one for me. SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #71

Gabbard gives her reasons for running in this at-times tough interview on The View. Hope this helps. Princetonian Aug 2019 #194

Recommended. guillaumeb Aug 2019 #76

The number in the OP differs from the number (1974) given by the department spokesman this past week Princetonian Aug 2019 #84

HERE'S THE DOCUMENT RELEASED BY THE STATE. WHERE'S YOUR PROOF? bigtree Aug 2019 #95

Read your own OP: 1883 + 92 equals 1975 Princetonian Aug 2019 #104

THOSE NUMBERS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH KAMALA HARRIS bigtree Aug 2019 #106

Of course they do. And compare her numbers to Becerra's to see why. nt ucrdem Aug 2019 #116

YOU MEAN IN THE YEARS WHERE LEGALIZATION AND DECRIMINALIZATION WAS SWEEPING THE NATION? bigtree Aug 2019 #120

California has legalized marijuana use regularly since 1996: ucrdem Aug 2019 #129

MISLEADING bigtree Aug 2019 #132

Harris directly prosecuted marijuana cases as DA from 2004-2010 Princetonian Aug 2019 #122

Freedom Leaf requested public records... Go Vols Aug 2019 #83

here's what you're missing bigtree Aug 2019 #85

pretty much what I posted Go Vols Aug 2019 #86

Politifact confirms that Tulsi was telling the truth and actually underestimated the number! Princetonian Aug 2019 #87

IRRELEVANT bigtree Aug 2019 #89

No, it's very relevant because Gabbard is accused of lying but your OP proves she is not. Princetonian Aug 2019 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2019 #94

No, she clearly didn't. And if you want to see progressive prosecution, check 2017 and 2018. nt ucrdem Aug 2019 #98

HERE bigtree Aug 2019 #99

As AG, the buck stopped with Harris. Your OP confirms Gabbard's claim: 1883+92 is 1975 Princetonian Aug 2019 #105

GABBARD'S NUMBERS HAD ***ZERO*** TO DO WITH KAMALA HARRIS bigtree Aug 2019 #109

Did she personally usher them into their cells? No but as AG the buck stopped with her. nt ucrdem Aug 2019 #110

THEN SHE SHOULD BE GIVEN CREDIT FOR KEEPING MOST OF THEM OUT OF JAIL bigtree Aug 2019 #134

The buck stops at the top. Gabbard told the truth. Princetonian Aug 2019 #112

WHEN YOU'RE GETTING YOUR FACTS AND FIGURES FROM A RIGHT WING RAG TO DEFEND YOUR CANDIDATE... bigtree Aug 2019 #114

That picture says it all. nt ucrdem Aug 2019 #117

IT SAYS, ENOUGH OF THE BULLSHIT CHARGES bigtree Aug 2019 #123

Harris directly prosecuted marijuana cases as DA from 2004-2010 Princetonian Aug 2019 #124

WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL OF THAT DNA EVIDENCE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO PROVE HIM INNOCENT? bigtree Aug 2019 #128

Ask Harris. She's the one who refused a DNA test for Cooper until a NYT expose forced her to recant Princetonian Aug 2019 #135

CROCODILE TEARS FOR SOMEONE WHO'S HAD AT LEAST THREE DNA TESTS bigtree Aug 2019 #137

"One Test Could Exonerate Him. Why Won't California Do It? Was Kevin Cooper Framed For Murder?" Princetonian Aug 2019 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2019 #140

As of August 1, "The results are pending." Princetonian Aug 2019 #142

NEW TESTS WERE ORDERED IN 2018 bigtree Aug 2019 #144

Yes, I told you that. "They are still pending." As AG, the buck stopped with Harris. Princetonian Aug 2019 #146

ON TINDERHOOKS bigtree Aug 2019 #149

Gabbard has yet to be proven wrong. Harris did not refute her claims when asked on CNN. Princetonian Aug 2019 #151

I care more about social justice vis a vis Kevin Cooper than Harris did as AG. That's the point. Princetonian Aug 2019 #172

You got THAT right! Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #174

This looks like the same article. Gabbard said 1,500 MJ lockups, these figures show 1,883 ucrdem Aug 2019 #97

GABBARD LIED. HARRIS WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE PROSECUTIONS bigtree Aug 2019 #100

CNN asked Harris about it, showed her the video clip and she still did not refute Gabbard's claims. Princetonian Aug 2019 #103

. bigtree Aug 2019 #118

Gabbard told the truth. DA Harris prosecuted marijuana cases from 2004-2010. Princetonian Aug 2019 #127

Yes. Not a pleasant picture but true nonetheless. nt ucrdem Aug 2019 #130

EXCEPT IT'S A CANARD bigtree Aug 2019 #131

Wrong, it has not been "years since the tests were ordered." Princetonian Aug 2019 #138

LONG ENOUGH bigtree Aug 2019 #141

As of Aug 1, "The results are pending." Princetonian Aug 2019 #143

NICE FELLLOW bigtree Aug 2019 #145

Stay classy. More from Pulitzer Prize winning NYT investigative reporter Nicholas Kristof... Princetonian Aug 2019 #147

...HAND bigtree Aug 2019 #148

"He has been accused of rape without being charged" due to lack of evidence. Princetonian Aug 2019 #150

...HAND bigtree Aug 2019 #152

Who is surprised by this? Gothmog Aug 2019 #153

That Gabbard repeated easily refuted conspiracy theories at a Democratic debate is betsuni Aug 2019 #163

Nothing Gabbard said about Harris has been refuted by Harris or her campaign, they only attacked her Princetonian Aug 2019 #165

Oh, Princetonian. Repetition doesn't make things true. betsuni Aug 2019 #167

Do The Mercury News and SF Chronicle Debate Fact Checks and NY Times "make things true"? Princetonian Aug 2019 #168

Oh, I see today the "elite media pundits" of the "corporate media" are rehabilitated! betsuni Aug 2019 #169

Truth over lies. Princetonian Aug 2019 #170

Here's what the fact checkers at Mercury News said about Tulsi's tale. lapucelle Aug 2019 #175

Gabbard underestimated the number as per both of their Debate Fact Checks updated on August 1, 2019. Princetonian Aug 2019 #176

The Mercury News says, as a fact, that Tulsi's statistic is highly misleading, lapucelle Aug 2019 #177

They updated their numbers. Cherrypicked quotes sans links so folks can't read in context? Tsk, tsk. Princetonian Aug 2019 #178

The facts: This is a highly misleading statistic. lapucelle Aug 2019 #180

Cherrypicked sentences with no links to confirm context. Got it. Princetonian Aug 2019 #181

I don't link to conspiracy theorists like Matt Taiibbi. lapucelle Aug 2019 #184

The Mercury News is a "conspiracy theorist"? Princetonian Aug 2019 #185

The Mercury News is not a conspiracy theorist. It's a reliable news source. lapucelle Aug 2019 #186

You did not supply that link until your last post. Now I can see why. Princetonian Aug 2019 #188

The link to Mercury News is in my post #175 which begins the subthroad. lapucelle Aug 2019 #195

Why so quiet about the other source you provide in #15, anti-Democratic party "political journalist" lapucelle Aug 2019 #196

So what? Is that all you've got? Princetonian Aug 2019 #198

You left those out in subsequent posts until I asked repeatedly for them. Princetonian Aug 2019 #199

You didn't repeatedly ask me for your own link. lapucelle Aug 2019 #200

I was not aware that the Democratic Party has a tradition of denouncing things as treason! betsuni Aug 2019 #179

Taibbi lived in Moscow for six years. lapucelle Aug 2019 #182

I have one of his books but quit reading after a few pages. Smug, arrogant, condescending. betsuni Aug 2019 #187

I never trust a cherrypicked sentence sans link. This is what Rolling Stone really said, betsuni. Princetonian Aug 2019 #183

But Gabbard's conspiracy theories about Harris don't imply Harris supports racist policies? betsuni Aug 2019 #189

They aren't conspiracy theories, and all they imply is that she wasn't the progressive prosecutor ucrdem Aug 2019 #191

Cherrypicked data by the OP is no surprise. Gabbard's verifiable claims have not been proven wrong. Princetonian Aug 2019 #164

Also, the headline is misleading: this is NOT an update of the August 1 Factcheck article. ucrdem Aug 2019 #190

This is not an update of the Gabbard factcheck, it's an update of the Harris factcheck. ucrdem Aug 2019 #192

here's Biden's bigtree Aug 2019 #201

No wonder Harris avoids refuting Gabbard's claims. Princetonian Aug 2019 #203