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bluewater

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86. The reason why the ad hominem attacks are occurring is that the truth hurts.

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 03:43 PM

Aug 2019

Deep down people knows that the NY Times article is accurate.

And the truth is hard to deal with if a person is too heavily invested in a particular candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Obama Reportedly Tried to Talk Biden Out of 2020 Run: 'You Don't Have to Do This, Joe' [View all] JoeOtterbein Aug 2019 OP

No one listens to Obama. maxsolomon Aug 2019 #1

Not true DownriverDem Aug 2019 #6

Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it didn't happen. maxsolomon Aug 2019 #14

Just because you believe it doesn't mean Cha Aug 2019 #113

I don't believe shit anymore. maxsolomon Aug 2019 #120

Well there ya go. Cha Aug 2019 #122

Just heard Chuck Todd True Blue American Aug 2019 #132

+1 K&R. Clickbait by NYT trying to stir up controversy onetexan Aug 2019 #60

Reporting a political story involving the former President is clickbait. Got it. brooklynite Aug 2019 #90

Why is the media so AFRAID of Joe Biden?!!!! Cha Aug 2019 #148

Cha, brilliant question. NT emmaverybo Aug 2019 #154

Biden listened to him and did not run in 2016. Celerity Aug 2019 #11

No one's voted in a Primary yet. maxsolomon Aug 2019 #16

my fellow PoC OVERWHELMINGLY prefer Biden and will vote accordingly nt Celerity Aug 2019 #18

Except for you, I note. maxsolomon Aug 2019 #21

I think your opinion is very plausible..thx for posting!! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #55

Obama is the best. bluewater Aug 2019 #140

Dan Abrams' bullshit. That isn't President Obama's style at all still_one Aug 2019 #2

it is from a NYT article by Glenn Thrush, not Dan Abrams, unless you're referring to something else. Celerity Aug 2019 #15

The OPs article was wirtten by Morgan Phillips of Mediate, which is a Dan Abrams Rag. I see where still_one Aug 2019 #30

The Hill is the master at unnamed sourced hit pieces, so is Politico Celerity Aug 2019 #43

I agree still_one Aug 2019 #45

Me too!! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #57

I have to agree doesn't seem Likely Obama would say this on a private conversation FloridaBlues Aug 2019 #82

Exactly still_one Aug 2019 #152

From the NY Times article: Mr. Obama took pains to cast his doubts about the campaign bluewater Aug 2019 #42

Glenn Thrush. BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #50

yes Celerity Aug 2019 #53

Ah yes. And a drunk, too. I had forgotten about that detail. BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #56

+1 Celerity Aug 2019 #59

Why is the media so AFRAID of Joe Biden? Cha Aug 2019 #149

Woah! Obama tried to talk Biden out of a 2020 run !?! bluewater Aug 2019 #3

You shouldn't be DownriverDem Aug 2019 #8

"HOLY SHIT! I am at a loss for words." ehrnst Aug 2019 #104

lol IKR bluewater Aug 2019 #106

Lol... ehrnst Aug 2019 #109

Sage advice from Obama. Autumn Aug 2019 #4

Who are you? DownriverDem Aug 2019 #9

Click on my profile. That will answer your question. nt Autumn Aug 2019 #13

lol Celerity Aug 2019 #20

Hey! Autumn Aug 2019 #22

Steyer is only one more poll away from making the next debate btw nt Celerity Aug 2019 #25

+10000000 BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #51

Do not believe that for a second.. not a second.. Peacetrain Aug 2019 #5

I don't believe it. Joe941 Aug 2019 #7

You shouldn't. This is just like those suppossed Democrats who said Biden would do less campaigning still_one Aug 2019 #34

Me either... that would not be IMHO president Obama's style Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #62

This is very suspicious. I seriously doubt it. honest.abe Aug 2019 #10

Maybe it was leaked for a reason? bluewater Aug 2019 #17

That's how I'm reading it. hedda_foil Aug 2019 #72

The NYTimes article is extensive and quotes the 2020 Obama statements at length bluewater Aug 2019 #74

Exactlu. hedda_foil Aug 2019 #79

Ditto elleng Aug 2019 #37

Agreed. emulatorloo Aug 2019 #44

Given the reporter's history, you should doubt it. See reply 40. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #77

Hook, line and sinker. SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #12

Memo to mainstream journalists: Can the phony outrage -- Bernie is right about media bias Cha Aug 2019 #115

Don't take the bait peggysue2 Aug 2019 #19

Some parts from the OP was somehow left out. Obama has an active interest in Biden's campaign... Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #23

yawn DeterDeter Aug 2019 #24

"Reportedly", that's enough for me. George II Aug 2019 #26

This is disqualifying Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #27

Disqualifying is Hiring Jill Stein supporters to high positions in your campaign, who have no still_one Aug 2019 #38

+1000 sheshe2 Aug 2019 #102

Exactly! Poster needs to be careful Cha Aug 2019 #143

That poster has a strange habit of repeating that inane mantra at every opportunity still_one Aug 2019 #145

LMAO awesomerwb1 Aug 2019 #47

It is good processing technique.... FarPoint Aug 2019 #28

From the NYTimes article linked in the OP: Biden told them he was too old... bluewater Aug 2019 #29

to me DeterDeter Aug 2019 #32

good let's go Joe ! stonecutter357 Aug 2019 #31

And we know this true snowybirdie Aug 2019 #33

The New York Times, a paper of record, reported it? bluewater Aug 2019 #39

I guess you've forgotten the Times dumping on Hillary Clinton. Or the Giuliani-sourced highplainsdem Aug 2019 #46

You mean the same New York Times which promoted the Mercer's "Clinton Cash" hitjob emulatorloo Aug 2019 #49

The same NYT that is now running op eds with underhanded support of trump? Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #65

Didn't you just post an OP on how dishonest the MSM is? emulatorloo Aug 2019 #35

No media bias then? JoeOtterbein Aug 2019 #36

No, I'm just confused why you are taking this MSM article as the gospel truth emulatorloo Aug 2019 #41

The bias is okay if it's coming from Politico and if the bias damages Biden BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #52

The Politico articles I post are written by my daughter Holly. JoeOtterbein Aug 2019 #67

Joe O. seems perfectly fine with media bias as long as it's attacking the candidate doing better highplainsdem Aug 2019 #75

The default position is to shit stir BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #83

Like most of us. Cha Aug 2019 #144

Yes, when the "media" is mean to BS it's "media bias".. Cha Aug 2019 #114

No confusion. The media can be honest sometimes and biased at other times. JoeOtterbein Aug 2019 #68

Right, they're honest when your candidate benefits, dishonest the rest of the time Clash City Rocker Aug 2019 #78

NYT story from the discredited Glenn Thrush highplainsdem Aug 2019 #40

that Politico article did not age well (quelle surprise) nt Celerity Aug 2019 #48

Hit pieces written out of sheer animus rarely do. This tweet hasn't aged well, highplainsdem Aug 2019 #61

not a good look for the NYT to let this sex pred plonker back into the fold nt Celerity Aug 2019 #63

Nope. See this tweet posted in response to another NYT reporter tweeting Thrush's article: highplainsdem Aug 2019 #66

Wasn't Glenn the one who tried to force himself on interns at the NYT? BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #54

Similar history at Politico. See the Vox article I linked to. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #58

Joe, since you've been complaining about media bias against Sanders, why are you highplainsdem Aug 2019 #64

Because sometimes media bias is, and will be, used against whoever we choose. JoeOtterbein Aug 2019 #69

I am enjoying all the ad hominem attacks on the reporters and the NY Times. bluewater Aug 2019 #70

LOL! Me too! JoeOtterbein Aug 2019 #73

I look at your posts, past and present ..this one included and wonder if you really understand the Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #101

I don't understand your comment, because I do not posts "snarky emoji" on DU. JoeOtterbein Aug 2019 #155

Joe, you probably didn't understand the comment because it was a reply to bluewater, not you. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #156

Sorry! JoeOtterbein Aug 2019 #160

You just asked that question of Thekaspervote, and now you're asking me? highplainsdem Aug 2019 #161

YES!!!!! JoeOtterbein Aug 2019 #162

LOL! highplainsdem Aug 2019 #163

I don't do emojis, so... JoeOtterbein Aug 2019 #166

... highplainsdem Aug 2019 #169

Thx highplainsdem for clarifying who the reply was for. Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #165

Hi Joe, if you follow the line upward, you were not the poster I was referring to. Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #164

You really think this is cute? Sigh. I'm disappointed. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #71

Oh no more ad hominem. Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #103

Sad. I am sorry I ever supported your OPs with my comments. Princetonian Aug 2019 #80

No problemo PrinceT! JoeOtterbein Aug 2019 #85

The reason why the ad hominem attacks are occurring is that the truth hurts. bluewater Aug 2019 #86

Thanks for explaining why this is happening to Tulsi Gabbard! I'll have to quote you in the future! Princetonian Aug 2019 #88

Ad hominem attacks are always a sign of a losing argument. As was this one here: bluewater Aug 2019 #91

lol... please do! Princetonian Aug 2019 #96

It's journaled! Might come in handy to rebut selective outrage. bluewater Aug 2019 #99

It isn't an ad hominem attack to point out reasons to doubt a reporter who's using anonymous sources highplainsdem Aug 2019 #93

I think we all get that, but you don't. Talk about heavily invested. You take every chance to post Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #105

I will keep that in mind next time I don't read what you post. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #134

These attempts to divide us are really bad, I wish they were not allowed here. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #76

Yes the attacks on Bernie are a... JoeOtterbein Aug 2019 #84

Joe, you don't seem to realize how much you've undercut arguments you've made in other threads. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #89

+1000. ehrnst Aug 2019 #95

You reminded me of the following quote JoeOtterbein Aug 2019 #97

You reminded me of a phrase that seems apt right now, Joe Otterbein. Princetonian Aug 2019 #100

That quote from Emerson doesn't really excuse what you've done to your own credibility by taking highplainsdem Aug 2019 #108

If rump or a surrogate in case he doesnt run wins I know who I am going to blame. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #118

"Reportedly"? Anything other than anonymous sources? Princetonian Aug 2019 #81

Daily Beast's Marlow Stern: "How is glenn thrush (credibly accused sexual harasser) still at the NYT highplainsdem Aug 2019 #87

+1. They should have fired his ass dalton99a Aug 2019 #110

Yep. I've seen a lot of tweets about dropping Times subscriptions because of Thrush being highplainsdem Aug 2019 #111

Do I think he talked him out of 2016? xmas74 Aug 2019 #92

another thing.... quickesst Aug 2019 #94

HA! JoeOtterbein Aug 2019 #98

I know quickesst Aug 2019 #136

LOL...thx for posting Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #167

welcome quickesst Aug 2019 #168

Oh too funny!! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #107

the Democratic primaries.... quickesst Aug 2019 #137

My candidate is Joe Biden and I have no doubt the reporting in the article is accurate. What's underthematrix Aug 2019 #112

I've seen other people suggest Michelle Obama should run for the same reasons you give for highplainsdem Aug 2019 #116

Forgive me but this doesn't make sense in response underthematrix Aug 2019 #119

You said you didn't feel the nominee was yet in the race Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #123

Okay. you're right. As an African American woman, I can say with certainty our underthematrix Aug 2019 #125

And probably not a woman either...and that is just sad! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #142

The way you describe the person we need could apply to Michelle Obama as well as to Joe Kennedy. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #124

No it can't fit Michelle Obama because she's not a Kennedy. underthematrix Aug 2019 #126

Okay. I still feel Joe Kennedy would have a more successful run for president if he had a higher highplainsdem Aug 2019 #133

Few remember the Kennedy's these days and the nominee is in the race Joe Biden who is the only Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #135

That's not true. You recall Trump invoking his crime family as the modern day Kennedys underthematrix Aug 2019 #138

Trump is old...the Kennedy's are of the past... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #139

IMO the Kennedy name still has a lot of cachet, but for Joe Kennedy it doesn't to the same degree highplainsdem Aug 2019 #141

Garbage reporting Politicub Aug 2019 #117

Reporting like this about what President Obama said is extremely rare. However, underthematrix Aug 2019 #121

There's no way to know whether they got it right. As I've said elsewhere here, Ghenn Thrush has highplainsdem Aug 2019 #127

i plan to support my Guy VP Biden until underthematrix Aug 2019 #129

Bingo!! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #131

Bias? From the NY Times???? JoeOtterbein Aug 2019 #151

wHy arE we attAcKiNg tHe frEe (behind a paywall) meDiA?!?! Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #157

Here's the first few bits... JoeOtterbein Aug 2019 #158

I feel like any ex-president would discourage a friend from running. FreeLookMode Aug 2019 #128

True. It was hard on Obama and his family, and he'd seen what HRC had to endure. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #130

Great points! JoeOtterbein Aug 2019 #159

This is disqualifying Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #146

Did you forget you already posted your usual comment as reply 27? highplainsdem Aug 2019 #147

lol "disqualifying" run amok. Cha Aug 2019 #153

Why is the media so AFRAID of Joe Biden?!! Cha Aug 2019 #150