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168. Do The Mercury News and SF Chronicle Debate Fact Checks and NY Times "make things true"?
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 07:12 PM
Aug 2019

Harris is consistently on the wrong side of social justice in the cases I have documented here:

Reply 2: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=236405

Reply 15: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=236536


No amount of rhetorical nonsense is going to fool anyone but the most partisan.

The Mercury Press and The San Francisco Chronicle concur on 1974 as the correct updated number.

"A department spokesman said 1,974 people were admitted to prison for marijuana and hashish charges during that time period."

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/01/democratic-debate-kamala-harris-tulsi-gabbard-joe-biden-fact-check/

On Thursday, a department spokesman told The Chronicle that 1,974 people were admitted for hashish and marijuana convictions during that period."

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Fact-checking-the-Democratic-debate-attacks-14275081.php



Does the New York Times Pulitzer Prize winning reporter Nicholas Kristof's expose "make things true"?


The attack: Gabbard said Harris “blocked evidence that would have freed an innocent man from Death Row until the courts forced her to do so.”

The context: Gabbard is referring to the case of Kevin Cooper, a Death Row inmate convicted of quadruple murder in 1983. Harris, during her tenure as attorney general, declined to use advanced DNA testing in the widely publicized case.

Last year, after the New York Times published an investigative piece on Cooper’s case, then-Sen. Harris backtracked, saying, “I feel awful about this,” and that she hoped the governor would order the testing. In February, Gov. Gavin Newsom ordered new tests. The results are pending.


https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Fact-checking-the-Democratic-debate-attacks-14275081.php


From Pulitzer Prize winning investigative reporter Nicholas Kristof, here are excerpts from the expose that forced Harris to backtrack:

"One Test Could Exonerate Him. Why Won't California Do It? Was Kevin Cooper Framed For Murder?"

In 1983, four people were murdered in a home in Chino Hills, Calif. The sole survivor of the attack said three white intruders had committed the murders. Then a woman told the police that her boyfriend, a white convicted murderer, was probably involved, and she gave deputies his bloody coveralls. So here’s what sheriff’s deputies did: They threw away the bloody coveralls and arrested a young black man named Kevin Cooper. He is now awaiting execution.

<snip>

The test tube miraculously contained the blood of two or more people. This indicated that the sheriff’s office may have used the test tube of Cooper’s blood to frame him, and then topped off the test tube with someone else’s blood.

Cooper’s lawyers ask above all for new “touch DNA” testing — capable of detecting microscopic residues... As state attorney general, Kamala Harris refused to allow this advanced DNA testing and showed no interest in the case (on Friday, after the online publication of this column, Senator Harris called me to say "I feel awful about this" and put out a statement saying: "As a firm believer in DNA testing..."

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/17/opinion/sunday/kevin-cooper-california-death-row.html


Gabbard is right. Harris owes Kevin Cooper an apology.

"Harris' district attorney's office violated defendants' rights by hiding damaging information"

As DA, the buck stopped with Harris. More evidence from the SF Chronicle Debate Factcheck that backs up Tulsi Gabbard's claims:

'San Francisco Superior Court Judge Anne-Christine Massullo... said Harris’ district attorney’s office violated defendants’ rights by hiding damaging information about the technician and was indifferent to demands that the office account for its failings. “The District Attorney failed to disclose information that clearly should have been disclosed,” the judge wrote in a court order. Plus, Harris’ office did not have a written policy about informing defendants if there were any problems with evidence or witnesses. The scandal led to 1,000 cases being dismissed.'

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Fact-checking-the-Democratic-debate-attacks-14275081.php?psid=glXZf


This is why Harris cannot refute Gabbard's claims.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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you don't say qazplm135 Aug 2019 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2019 #3
Does the flip side of this mean you have an agenda to R B Garr Aug 2019 #91
I attributed that to Gabbard and people working overtime to fan the flames of that debate encounter bigtree Aug 2019 #202
That's not even close to accurate. And I thought I was on R B Garr Aug 2019 #204
Don't hold your breath mcar Aug 2019 #9
I won't qazplm135 Aug 2019 #10
How can I see who alerts on me? NT SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #64
well I've only been qazplm135 Aug 2019 #65
Follow up question. SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #69
people send you a PM Go Vols Aug 2019 #81
Many here, the usual suspects, jumped all over themselves to trash Harris' AG record... brush Aug 2019 #53
Russian misinformation campaign hard at work. Many will only remember Tulsi's charge Dream Girl Aug 2019 #2
willful ignorance bigtree Aug 2019 #7
That is how it works, many will throw up their hands in disgust and say Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #173
Good info. Yes, dropped 83% from her first year to her last. Boykin's tweet is off though. thesquanderer Aug 2019 #4
it's as clear as day bigtree Aug 2019 #5
Yes, the article is correct. I was commenting on someone's tweeted interpretation. (n/t) thesquanderer Aug 2019 #6
you can see a steep drop in 2012, a year after she took office bigtree Aug 2019 #11
So Tulsi lied mcar Aug 2019 #8
No. "Fact-checking the Democratic debate attacks against Kamala Harris" (San Francisco Chronicle) Princetonian Aug 2019 #12
The paragraph OMITS that this came from Free Beacon bigtree Aug 2019 #14
lol... that is irrelevent to the fact that the San Francisco Chronicle backs up Tulsi Gabbard. Princetonian Aug 2019 #17
not one sentence in that article 'backs up Gabbard' outside of reposting rw propaganda bigtree Aug 2019 #18
I respectfully disagree with your characterization. Princetonian Aug 2019 #20
It's false, and doubling down on a debunked conservative source isn't a good look. W_HAMILTON Aug 2019 #33
You mean the same "conservative source" that the OP quotes? Princetonian Aug 2019 #34
Sigh...here you go: W_HAMILTON Aug 2019 #40
As AG, the buck stopped with Harris. The Mercury Press backs up the SF Chronicle's updated numbers. Princetonian Aug 2019 #45
HERE ARE THE ACTUAL NUMBERS FROM THE ACTUAL SOURCE bigtree Aug 2019 #46
I thought you were done talking to me? The Mercury Press and San Francisco Chronicle concur... Princetonian Aug 2019 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2019 #49
I respectfully agree, bigtree. Princetonian Aug 2019 #54
THIS IS A GOVERNMENT DOCUMENT bigtree Aug 2019 #74
Why did the department spokesman give 1974 as the number to both newspapers this past week? Princetonian Aug 2019 #78
. bigtree Aug 2019 #79
welcome back oberliner jcgoldie Aug 2019 #82
Bazinga! George II Aug 2019 #88
lol bigtree Aug 2019 #92
ohhhh ??? that makes a lot of sense now JI7 Aug 2019 #93
Omg thank you. MrsCoffee Aug 2019 #101
Soon after graduating from High School, a good friend of mine... George II Aug 2019 #171
I had a friend NYMinute Aug 2019 #193
Oh my Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #154
I am curious Andy823 Aug 2019 #28
... lapucelle Aug 2019 #59
lol Princetonian Aug 2019 #63
... lapucelle Aug 2019 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle Aug 2019 #66
I can think of only two reasons anyone would support Gabbard. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #155
But no one will remember that the lie was a lie Dream Girl Aug 2019 #13
Inconvenient facts can lead to willful ignorance. Princetonian Aug 2019 #15
the 'charges' are old and disproved. bigtree Aug 2019 #16
Neither The San Francisco Chronicle nor Rolling Stone are "right-wing, conservative" purveyors. Princetonian Aug 2019 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2019 #21
Everyone here can see that I posted an excerpt from The San Francisco Chronicle Debate Fact Check. Princetonian Aug 2019 #22
She did her job mcar Aug 2019 #26
Exactly! Dream Girl Aug 2019 #50
KGB is working daily on message boards and Twitter to get people NOT to trust Kamala Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #156
Lord, give me strength! Princetonian Aug 2019 #157
I dont think it is funny, they did it in 2016 and are doing it again. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #158
"to get people NOT to trust Kamala" is the funny part of what you said Princetonian Aug 2019 #166
They sure are mcar Aug 2019 #159
I cant IMAGINE anyone reacting to that statement of FACT by laughing, can you? Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #160
I'm taking it very seriously mcar Aug 2019 #161
I think all democrats and all decent republicans are taking it seriously. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #162
K&R DesertRat Aug 2019 #23
Lockups for pot DROPPED 83% under Kamala. Hortensis Aug 2019 #24
Not according to a CA Dep't. Of Corrections and Rehabilitation spokesman... Princetonian Aug 2019 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2019 #27
Did Politifact bother to speak to a CA Dep't. of Corrections and Rehabilitation spokesman? Princetonian Aug 2019 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2019 #30
I respectfully disagree. Princetonian Aug 2019 #32
JOE FUCKNUT GARAFOLI ISN'T WITH THE CORRECTIONS DEPT. bigtree Aug 2019 #36
Some posters aren't interested in facts...nt SidDithers Aug 2019 #38
Irony is dead. Princetonian Aug 2019 #42
THAT WORD DOESN'T MEAN WHAT YOU THINK IT DOES. bigtree Aug 2019 #44
I respectfully disagree. Princetonian Aug 2019 #52
. bigtree Aug 2019 #77
Oh it's you...nt SidDithers Aug 2019 #57
No need to shout, bigtree. Anyway, strawman fail. I never said he was. Princetonian Aug 2019 #41
WE'RE DONE TALKING ANYWAY bigtree Aug 2019 #43
Insisting you're right when you're not, persistently. Claritie Pixie Aug 2019 #72
I am right if you believe in well-sourced facts over baseless invective. Princetonian Aug 2019 #73
. bigtree Aug 2019 #75
Your OP proves Gabbard was telling the truth: 1883 + 92 is 1975 Princetonian Aug 2019 #119
...THE HAND bigtree Aug 2019 #126
Free Beacon & Tulsi Me. Aug 2019 #31
Um, Free Beacon figures prominently in the OP in an excerpt. Princetonian Aug 2019 #35
. bigtree Aug 2019 #37
Um, I Think I'll Go With Politifact Me. Aug 2019 #47
The Mercury Press & The San Francisco Chronicle concur on 1974 as the correct updated number. Princetonian Aug 2019 #51
Like I Said... Me. Aug 2019 #56
They were off by one in the reporting sweetloukillbot Aug 2019 #80
EXCEPT KAMALA HARRIS WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE PROSECUTIONS bigtree Aug 2019 #96
As AG, the buck stopped with Harris. And DUers have never been averse to using Free Beacon before. Princetonian Aug 2019 #102
WHEN YOU'RE GETTING YOUR FACTS AND FIGURES FROM A RIGHT WING RAG TO DEFEND YOUR CANDIDATE bigtree Aug 2019 #107
The 1974 number is confirmed by a department spokesman. Politifact uses those numbers. Princetonian Aug 2019 #108
IRRELEVANT bigtree Aug 2019 #111
The buck stops at the top.Harris refuted nothing when CNN asked her about it and played the video. Princetonian Aug 2019 #113
. bigtree Aug 2019 #115
Harris did directly prosecute marijuana cases as San Francisco district attorney from 2004-2010 Princetonian Aug 2019 #121
GABBARD'S CHARGES COVERED HER TIME AS AG bigtree Aug 2019 #125
As AG, the buck stops at the top. On CNN, Harris did not refute Gabbard's claims. Princetonian Aug 2019 #133
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2019 #136
"Bleating". Then it's understandable when Biden ignores R B Garr Aug 2019 #197
Yup...nt SidDithers Aug 2019 #39
Narratives based on wrong facts and misleading innuendo appear to be working already. lapucelle Aug 2019 #55
"Mensa did not speak for the campaign" Me. Aug 2019 #58
"I recognize that token black people are propped up to positions within the imperialistic, lapucelle Aug 2019 #60
THe BUck Stops At The Top Me. Aug 2019 #62
DUrec... SidDithers Aug 2019 #61
Gabbard really took some shots that probably hurt Harris. SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #68
Ah yes, the attack-and-make-shit-up tactic. Claritie Pixie Aug 2019 #70
Gabbard is a strange one for me. SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #71
Gabbard gives her reasons for running in this at-times tough interview on The View. Hope this helps. Princetonian Aug 2019 #194
Recommended. guillaumeb Aug 2019 #76
The number in the OP differs from the number (1974) given by the department spokesman this past week Princetonian Aug 2019 #84
HERE'S THE DOCUMENT RELEASED BY THE STATE. WHERE'S YOUR PROOF? bigtree Aug 2019 #95
Read your own OP: 1883 + 92 equals 1975 Princetonian Aug 2019 #104
THOSE NUMBERS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH KAMALA HARRIS bigtree Aug 2019 #106
Of course they do. And compare her numbers to Becerra's to see why. nt ucrdem Aug 2019 #116
YOU MEAN IN THE YEARS WHERE LEGALIZATION AND DECRIMINALIZATION WAS SWEEPING THE NATION? bigtree Aug 2019 #120
California has legalized marijuana use regularly since 1996: ucrdem Aug 2019 #129
MISLEADING bigtree Aug 2019 #132
Harris directly prosecuted marijuana cases as DA from 2004-2010 Princetonian Aug 2019 #122
Freedom Leaf requested public records... Go Vols Aug 2019 #83
here's what you're missing bigtree Aug 2019 #85
pretty much what I posted Go Vols Aug 2019 #86
Politifact confirms that Tulsi was telling the truth and actually underestimated the number! Princetonian Aug 2019 #87
IRRELEVANT bigtree Aug 2019 #89
No, it's very relevant because Gabbard is accused of lying but your OP proves she is not. Princetonian Aug 2019 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2019 #94
No, she clearly didn't. And if you want to see progressive prosecution, check 2017 and 2018. nt ucrdem Aug 2019 #98
HERE bigtree Aug 2019 #99
As AG, the buck stopped with Harris. Your OP confirms Gabbard's claim: 1883+92 is 1975 Princetonian Aug 2019 #105
GABBARD'S NUMBERS HAD ***ZERO*** TO DO WITH KAMALA HARRIS bigtree Aug 2019 #109
Did she personally usher them into their cells? No but as AG the buck stopped with her. nt ucrdem Aug 2019 #110
THEN SHE SHOULD BE GIVEN CREDIT FOR KEEPING MOST OF THEM OUT OF JAIL bigtree Aug 2019 #134
The buck stops at the top. Gabbard told the truth. Princetonian Aug 2019 #112
WHEN YOU'RE GETTING YOUR FACTS AND FIGURES FROM A RIGHT WING RAG TO DEFEND YOUR CANDIDATE... bigtree Aug 2019 #114
That picture says it all. nt ucrdem Aug 2019 #117
IT SAYS, ENOUGH OF THE BULLSHIT CHARGES bigtree Aug 2019 #123
Harris directly prosecuted marijuana cases as DA from 2004-2010 Princetonian Aug 2019 #124
WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL OF THAT DNA EVIDENCE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO PROVE HIM INNOCENT? bigtree Aug 2019 #128
Ask Harris. She's the one who refused a DNA test for Cooper until a NYT expose forced her to recant Princetonian Aug 2019 #135
CROCODILE TEARS FOR SOMEONE WHO'S HAD AT LEAST THREE DNA TESTS bigtree Aug 2019 #137
"One Test Could Exonerate Him. Why Won't California Do It? Was Kevin Cooper Framed For Murder?" Princetonian Aug 2019 #139
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2019 #140
As of August 1, "The results are pending." Princetonian Aug 2019 #142
NEW TESTS WERE ORDERED IN 2018 bigtree Aug 2019 #144
Yes, I told you that. "They are still pending." As AG, the buck stopped with Harris. Princetonian Aug 2019 #146
ON TINDERHOOKS bigtree Aug 2019 #149
Gabbard has yet to be proven wrong. Harris did not refute her claims when asked on CNN. Princetonian Aug 2019 #151
I care more about social justice vis a vis Kevin Cooper than Harris did as AG. That's the point. Princetonian Aug 2019 #172
You got THAT right! Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #174
This looks like the same article. Gabbard said 1,500 MJ lockups, these figures show 1,883 ucrdem Aug 2019 #97
GABBARD LIED. HARRIS WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE PROSECUTIONS bigtree Aug 2019 #100
CNN asked Harris about it, showed her the video clip and she still did not refute Gabbard's claims. Princetonian Aug 2019 #103
. bigtree Aug 2019 #118
Gabbard told the truth. DA Harris prosecuted marijuana cases from 2004-2010. Princetonian Aug 2019 #127
Yes. Not a pleasant picture but true nonetheless. nt ucrdem Aug 2019 #130
EXCEPT IT'S A CANARD bigtree Aug 2019 #131
Wrong, it has not been "years since the tests were ordered." Princetonian Aug 2019 #138
LONG ENOUGH bigtree Aug 2019 #141
As of Aug 1, "The results are pending." Princetonian Aug 2019 #143
NICE FELLLOW bigtree Aug 2019 #145
Stay classy. More from Pulitzer Prize winning NYT investigative reporter Nicholas Kristof... Princetonian Aug 2019 #147
...HAND bigtree Aug 2019 #148
"He has been accused of rape without being charged" due to lack of evidence. Princetonian Aug 2019 #150
...HAND bigtree Aug 2019 #152
Who is surprised by this? Gothmog Aug 2019 #153
That Gabbard repeated easily refuted conspiracy theories at a Democratic debate is betsuni Aug 2019 #163
Nothing Gabbard said about Harris has been refuted by Harris or her campaign, they only attacked her Princetonian Aug 2019 #165
Oh, Princetonian. Repetition doesn't make things true. betsuni Aug 2019 #167
Do The Mercury News and SF Chronicle Debate Fact Checks and NY Times "make things true"? Princetonian Aug 2019 #168
Oh, I see today the "elite media pundits" of the "corporate media" are rehabilitated! betsuni Aug 2019 #169
Truth over lies. Princetonian Aug 2019 #170
Here's what the fact checkers at Mercury News said about Tulsi's tale. lapucelle Aug 2019 #175
Gabbard underestimated the number as per both of their Debate Fact Checks updated on August 1, 2019. Princetonian Aug 2019 #176
The Mercury News says, as a fact, that Tulsi's statistic is highly misleading, lapucelle Aug 2019 #177
They updated their numbers. Cherrypicked quotes sans links so folks can't read in context? Tsk, tsk. Princetonian Aug 2019 #178
The facts: This is a highly misleading statistic. lapucelle Aug 2019 #180
Cherrypicked sentences with no links to confirm context. Got it. Princetonian Aug 2019 #181
I don't link to conspiracy theorists like Matt Taiibbi. lapucelle Aug 2019 #184
The Mercury News is a "conspiracy theorist"? Princetonian Aug 2019 #185
The Mercury News is not a conspiracy theorist. It's a reliable news source. lapucelle Aug 2019 #186
You did not supply that link until your last post. Now I can see why. Princetonian Aug 2019 #188
The link to Mercury News is in my post #175 which begins the subthroad. lapucelle Aug 2019 #195
Why so quiet about the other source you provide in #15, anti-Democratic party "political journalist" lapucelle Aug 2019 #196
So what? Is that all you've got? Princetonian Aug 2019 #198
You left those out in subsequent posts until I asked repeatedly for them. Princetonian Aug 2019 #199
You didn't repeatedly ask me for your own link. lapucelle Aug 2019 #200
I was not aware that the Democratic Party has a tradition of denouncing things as treason! betsuni Aug 2019 #179
Taibbi lived in Moscow for six years. lapucelle Aug 2019 #182
I have one of his books but quit reading after a few pages. Smug, arrogant, condescending. betsuni Aug 2019 #187
I never trust a cherrypicked sentence sans link. This is what Rolling Stone really said, betsuni. Princetonian Aug 2019 #183
But Gabbard's conspiracy theories about Harris don't imply Harris supports racist policies? betsuni Aug 2019 #189
They aren't conspiracy theories, and all they imply is that she wasn't the progressive prosecutor ucrdem Aug 2019 #191
Cherrypicked data by the OP is no surprise. Gabbard's verifiable claims have not been proven wrong. Princetonian Aug 2019 #164
Also, the headline is misleading: this is NOT an update of the August 1 Factcheck article. ucrdem Aug 2019 #190
This is not an update of the Gabbard factcheck, it's an update of the Harris factcheck. ucrdem Aug 2019 #192
here's Biden's bigtree Aug 2019 #201
No wonder Harris avoids refuting Gabbard's claims. Princetonian Aug 2019 #203
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