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In reply to the discussion: Politifact updates article on Gabbard charges against Kamala (Lockups for pot actually dropped 83%) [View all]Princetonian
(1,501 posts)168. Do The Mercury News and SF Chronicle Debate Fact Checks and NY Times "make things true"?
Harris is consistently on the wrong side of social justice in the cases I have documented here:
Reply 2: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=236405
Reply 15: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=236536
No amount of rhetorical nonsense is going to fool anyone but the most partisan.
The Mercury Press and The San Francisco Chronicle concur on 1974 as the correct updated number.
"A department spokesman said 1,974 people were admitted to prison for marijuana and hashish charges during that time period."
https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/01/democratic-debate-kamala-harris-tulsi-gabbard-joe-biden-fact-check/
On Thursday, a department spokesman told The Chronicle that 1,974 people were admitted for hashish and marijuana convictions during that period."
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Fact-checking-the-Democratic-debate-attacks-14275081.php
https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/01/democratic-debate-kamala-harris-tulsi-gabbard-joe-biden-fact-check/
On Thursday, a department spokesman told The Chronicle that 1,974 people were admitted for hashish and marijuana convictions during that period."
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Fact-checking-the-Democratic-debate-attacks-14275081.php
Does the New York Times Pulitzer Prize winning reporter Nicholas Kristof's expose "make things true"?
The attack: Gabbard said Harris blocked evidence that would have freed an innocent man from Death Row until the courts forced her to do so.
The context: Gabbard is referring to the case of Kevin Cooper, a Death Row inmate convicted of quadruple murder in 1983. Harris, during her tenure as attorney general, declined to use advanced DNA testing in the widely publicized case.
Last year, after the New York Times published an investigative piece on Coopers case, then-Sen. Harris backtracked, saying, I feel awful about this, and that she hoped the governor would order the testing. In February, Gov. Gavin Newsom ordered new tests. The results are pending.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Fact-checking-the-Democratic-debate-attacks-14275081.php
The context: Gabbard is referring to the case of Kevin Cooper, a Death Row inmate convicted of quadruple murder in 1983. Harris, during her tenure as attorney general, declined to use advanced DNA testing in the widely publicized case.
Last year, after the New York Times published an investigative piece on Coopers case, then-Sen. Harris backtracked, saying, I feel awful about this, and that she hoped the governor would order the testing. In February, Gov. Gavin Newsom ordered new tests. The results are pending.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Fact-checking-the-Democratic-debate-attacks-14275081.php
From Pulitzer Prize winning investigative reporter Nicholas Kristof, here are excerpts from the expose that forced Harris to backtrack:
"One Test Could Exonerate Him. Why Won't California Do It? Was Kevin Cooper Framed For Murder?"
In 1983, four people were murdered in a home in Chino Hills, Calif. The sole survivor of the attack said three white intruders had committed the murders. Then a woman told the police that her boyfriend, a white convicted murderer, was probably involved, and she gave deputies his bloody coveralls. So heres what sheriffs deputies did: They threw away the bloody coveralls and arrested a young black man named Kevin Cooper. He is now awaiting execution.
<snip>
The test tube miraculously contained the blood of two or more people. This indicated that the sheriffs office may have used the test tube of Coopers blood to frame him, and then topped off the test tube with someone elses blood.
Coopers lawyers ask above all for new touch DNA testing capable of detecting microscopic residues... As state attorney general, Kamala Harris refused to allow this advanced DNA testing and showed no interest in the case (on Friday, after the online publication of this column, Senator Harris called me to say "I feel awful about this" and put out a statement saying: "As a firm believer in DNA testing..."
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/17/opinion/sunday/kevin-cooper-california-death-row.html
In 1983, four people were murdered in a home in Chino Hills, Calif. The sole survivor of the attack said three white intruders had committed the murders. Then a woman told the police that her boyfriend, a white convicted murderer, was probably involved, and she gave deputies his bloody coveralls. So heres what sheriffs deputies did: They threw away the bloody coveralls and arrested a young black man named Kevin Cooper. He is now awaiting execution.
<snip>
The test tube miraculously contained the blood of two or more people. This indicated that the sheriffs office may have used the test tube of Coopers blood to frame him, and then topped off the test tube with someone elses blood.
Coopers lawyers ask above all for new touch DNA testing capable of detecting microscopic residues... As state attorney general, Kamala Harris refused to allow this advanced DNA testing and showed no interest in the case (on Friday, after the online publication of this column, Senator Harris called me to say "I feel awful about this" and put out a statement saying: "As a firm believer in DNA testing..."
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/17/opinion/sunday/kevin-cooper-california-death-row.html
Gabbard is right. Harris owes Kevin Cooper an apology.
"Harris' district attorney's office violated defendants' rights by hiding damaging information"
As DA, the buck stopped with Harris. More evidence from the SF Chronicle Debate Factcheck that backs up Tulsi Gabbard's claims:
'San Francisco Superior Court Judge Anne-Christine Massullo... said Harris district attorneys office violated defendants rights by hiding damaging information about the technician and was indifferent to demands that the office account for its failings. The District Attorney failed to disclose information that clearly should have been disclosed, the judge wrote in a court order. Plus, Harris office did not have a written policy about informing defendants if there were any problems with evidence or witnesses. The scandal led to 1,000 cases being dismissed.'
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Fact-checking-the-Democratic-debate-attacks-14275081.php?psid=glXZf
As DA, the buck stopped with Harris. More evidence from the SF Chronicle Debate Factcheck that backs up Tulsi Gabbard's claims:
'San Francisco Superior Court Judge Anne-Christine Massullo... said Harris district attorneys office violated defendants rights by hiding damaging information about the technician and was indifferent to demands that the office account for its failings. The District Attorney failed to disclose information that clearly should have been disclosed, the judge wrote in a court order. Plus, Harris office did not have a written policy about informing defendants if there were any problems with evidence or witnesses. The scandal led to 1,000 cases being dismissed.'
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Fact-checking-the-Democratic-debate-attacks-14275081.php?psid=glXZf
This is why Harris cannot refute Gabbard's claims.
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Politifact updates article on Gabbard charges against Kamala (Lockups for pot actually dropped 83%) [View all]
bigtree
Aug 2019
OP
I attributed that to Gabbard and people working overtime to fan the flames of that debate encounter
bigtree
Aug 2019
#202
Many here, the usual suspects, jumped all over themselves to trash Harris' AG record...
brush
Aug 2019
#53
Russian misinformation campaign hard at work. Many will only remember Tulsi's charge
Dream Girl
Aug 2019
#2
That is how it works, many will throw up their hands in disgust and say
Eliot Rosewater
Aug 2019
#173
Good info. Yes, dropped 83% from her first year to her last. Boykin's tweet is off though.
thesquanderer
Aug 2019
#4
Yes, the article is correct. I was commenting on someone's tweeted interpretation. (n/t)
thesquanderer
Aug 2019
#6
No. "Fact-checking the Democratic debate attacks against Kamala Harris" (San Francisco Chronicle)
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#12
lol... that is irrelevent to the fact that the San Francisco Chronicle backs up Tulsi Gabbard.
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#17
not one sentence in that article 'backs up Gabbard' outside of reposting rw propaganda
bigtree
Aug 2019
#18
It's false, and doubling down on a debunked conservative source isn't a good look.
W_HAMILTON
Aug 2019
#33
As AG, the buck stopped with Harris. The Mercury Press backs up the SF Chronicle's updated numbers.
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#45
I thought you were done talking to me? The Mercury Press and San Francisco Chronicle concur...
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#48
Why did the department spokesman give 1974 as the number to both newspapers this past week?
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#78
Neither The San Francisco Chronicle nor Rolling Stone are "right-wing, conservative" purveyors.
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#19
Everyone here can see that I posted an excerpt from The San Francisco Chronicle Debate Fact Check.
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#22
KGB is working daily on message boards and Twitter to get people NOT to trust Kamala
Eliot Rosewater
Aug 2019
#156
I cant IMAGINE anyone reacting to that statement of FACT by laughing, can you?
Eliot Rosewater
Aug 2019
#160
I think all democrats and all decent republicans are taking it seriously.
Eliot Rosewater
Aug 2019
#162
Not according to a CA Dep't. Of Corrections and Rehabilitation spokesman...
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#25
Did Politifact bother to speak to a CA Dep't. of Corrections and Rehabilitation spokesman?
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#29
The Mercury Press & The San Francisco Chronicle concur on 1974 as the correct updated number.
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#51
As AG, the buck stopped with Harris. And DUers have never been averse to using Free Beacon before.
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#102
WHEN YOU'RE GETTING YOUR FACTS AND FIGURES FROM A RIGHT WING RAG TO DEFEND YOUR CANDIDATE
bigtree
Aug 2019
#107
The 1974 number is confirmed by a department spokesman. Politifact uses those numbers.
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#108
The buck stops at the top.Harris refuted nothing when CNN asked her about it and played the video.
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#113
Harris did directly prosecute marijuana cases as San Francisco district attorney from 2004-2010
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#121
As AG, the buck stops at the top. On CNN, Harris did not refute Gabbard's claims.
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#133
Narratives based on wrong facts and misleading innuendo appear to be working already.
lapucelle
Aug 2019
#55
"I recognize that token black people are propped up to positions within the imperialistic,
lapucelle
Aug 2019
#60
Gabbard gives her reasons for running in this at-times tough interview on The View. Hope this helps.
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#194
The number in the OP differs from the number (1974) given by the department spokesman this past week
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#84
YOU MEAN IN THE YEARS WHERE LEGALIZATION AND DECRIMINALIZATION WAS SWEEPING THE NATION?
bigtree
Aug 2019
#120
Politifact confirms that Tulsi was telling the truth and actually underestimated the number!
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#87
No, it's very relevant because Gabbard is accused of lying but your OP proves she is not.
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#90
No, she clearly didn't. And if you want to see progressive prosecution, check 2017 and 2018. nt
ucrdem
Aug 2019
#98
As AG, the buck stopped with Harris. Your OP confirms Gabbard's claim: 1883+92 is 1975
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#105
Did she personally usher them into their cells? No but as AG the buck stopped with her. nt
ucrdem
Aug 2019
#110
WHEN YOU'RE GETTING YOUR FACTS AND FIGURES FROM A RIGHT WING RAG TO DEFEND YOUR CANDIDATE...
bigtree
Aug 2019
#114
WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL OF THAT DNA EVIDENCE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO PROVE HIM INNOCENT?
bigtree
Aug 2019
#128
Ask Harris. She's the one who refused a DNA test for Cooper until a NYT expose forced her to recant
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#135
"One Test Could Exonerate Him. Why Won't California Do It? Was Kevin Cooper Framed For Murder?"
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#139
Yes, I told you that. "They are still pending." As AG, the buck stopped with Harris.
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#146
Gabbard has yet to be proven wrong. Harris did not refute her claims when asked on CNN.
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#151
I care more about social justice vis a vis Kevin Cooper than Harris did as AG. That's the point.
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#172
This looks like the same article. Gabbard said 1,500 MJ lockups, these figures show 1,883
ucrdem
Aug 2019
#97
CNN asked Harris about it, showed her the video clip and she still did not refute Gabbard's claims.
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#103
Gabbard told the truth. DA Harris prosecuted marijuana cases from 2004-2010.
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#127
Stay classy. More from Pulitzer Prize winning NYT investigative reporter Nicholas Kristof...
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#147
"He has been accused of rape without being charged" due to lack of evidence.
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#150
That Gabbard repeated easily refuted conspiracy theories at a Democratic debate is
betsuni
Aug 2019
#163
Nothing Gabbard said about Harris has been refuted by Harris or her campaign, they only attacked her
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#165
Do The Mercury News and SF Chronicle Debate Fact Checks and NY Times "make things true"?
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#168
Oh, I see today the "elite media pundits" of the "corporate media" are rehabilitated!
betsuni
Aug 2019
#169
Gabbard underestimated the number as per both of their Debate Fact Checks updated on August 1, 2019.
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#176
The Mercury News says, as a fact, that Tulsi's statistic is highly misleading,
lapucelle
Aug 2019
#177
They updated their numbers. Cherrypicked quotes sans links so folks can't read in context? Tsk, tsk.
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#178
Why so quiet about the other source you provide in #15, anti-Democratic party "political journalist"
lapucelle
Aug 2019
#196
You left those out in subsequent posts until I asked repeatedly for them.
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#199
I was not aware that the Democratic Party has a tradition of denouncing things as treason!
betsuni
Aug 2019
#179
I have one of his books but quit reading after a few pages. Smug, arrogant, condescending.
betsuni
Aug 2019
#187
I never trust a cherrypicked sentence sans link. This is what Rolling Stone really said, betsuni.
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#183
But Gabbard's conspiracy theories about Harris don't imply Harris supports racist policies?
betsuni
Aug 2019
#189
They aren't conspiracy theories, and all they imply is that she wasn't the progressive prosecutor
ucrdem
Aug 2019
#191
Cherrypicked data by the OP is no surprise. Gabbard's verifiable claims have not been proven wrong.
Princetonian
Aug 2019
#164
Also, the headline is misleading: this is NOT an update of the August 1 Factcheck article.
ucrdem
Aug 2019
#190