Democratic Primaries

LanternWaste

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54. If we reject the lawn mower to mow our lawn...

Reply to 2020Junker (Reply #36)

Tue Aug 20, 2019, 03:32 PM

Aug 2019

I suppose common sense dictates we use spoons to do it instead.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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No Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren. We need a moderate, South Florida Democrats tell their party. [View all] elleng Aug 2019 OP

Establishment says we need more establishment. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #1

Or people who work elections knows what it takes to win purple or red states...have you looked at Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #4

From the first line. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #8

And you doubt their experience? Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #16

They have a lot of experience running Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #162

I too would be skeptical if a pilot told me that MS Flight Simulator was not good experience LanternWaste Aug 2019 #53

But ... but... flying a drone is as good as flying an Airbus A380 NYMinute Aug 2019 #79

They know their electorate better than anyone on DU nt NYMinute Aug 2019 #73

Oh yeah? Like designing non-butterfly ballots? sharedvalues Aug 2019 #11

Ballots have nothing to do with maps...the electoral college, Senate map and state maps show Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #22

They let the Republican Party fake rioters delisen Aug 2019 #24

The Brooks Brothers riot. comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #40

That's the One! delisen Aug 2019 #57

Yup, Eko Aug 2019 #64

Bush stole the 2000 election and FL election Dems didn't do enough to stop it sharedvalues Aug 2019 #137

an a major reason we lost that blue wall DonCoquixote Aug 2019 #28

Wasnt the person fired? Eko Aug 2019 #65

because she who was fired DonCoquixote Aug 2019 #89

I call bullshit...it nice to blame her but not so...and we run the risk of losing it again with the Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #169

"Establishment Establishment Establishment". Cha Aug 2019 #27

They got us where we are now, didn't they? 2020Junker Aug 2019 #36

They sure sound nervous, too BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #41

They couldn't even deliver their own state in '16 2020Junker Aug 2019 #43

Just because the "establishment" couldn't win in '16 Eko Aug 2019 #66

No, it doesn't. 2020Junker Aug 2019 #78

Well, their argument fits the polls right now so they have a better argument accoring to the data. Eko Aug 2019 #86

Your own links undercut the argument 2020Junker Aug 2019 #93

Warren gained 8 points in one month? Eko Aug 2019 #96

Your links showed two polls 2020Junker Aug 2019 #99

Yes they were different polls. Eko Aug 2019 #100

Not really 2020Junker Aug 2019 #102

Not really what? Biden increased 9 points using your math. Eko Aug 2019 #106

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2019 #164

But Biden is in a better position nationwide now. Eko Aug 2019 #111

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2019 #165

What is really interesting, Eko Aug 2019 #119

If you have some newer polls Eko Aug 2019 #103

You are entitled to your opinion... everyone has one Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #97

It's not my OP 2020Junker Aug 2019 #101

No one is speaking of nonsensical twitter links. The posters here are giving merit to what they are Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #109

If we reject the lawn mower to mow our lawn... LanternWaste Aug 2019 #54

No, we hire different lawn mowers 2020Junker Aug 2019 #55

The sad part of all this and the reason I think we wont ultimately survive is that Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #135

"They" meaning the Dems? If so, how...the state of FL isn't run by the dems Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #58

The people in the article 2020Junker Aug 2019 #59

Please see post #63 with link Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #67

He's in trouble everywhere 2020Junker Aug 2019 #81

I never said Biden was the only one that could beat dotard, I said he was the one in the lead. Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #94

'Establishment' Democrats as Agents of Change sheshe2 Aug 2019 #129

Yes they are, she! The "Establishment" that Cha Aug 2019 #134

Reality is not optional. The Electoral College is a reality. treestar Aug 2019 #76

I was sick of the establishment chefs with a license from the health department NYMinute Aug 2019 #82

I love Beto. He is going nowhere this time around. Time to plugged into reality redstateblues Aug 2019 #158

I'm with you... no more moderates!! We need a revolution in this country!! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #152

+1 Go Vols Aug 2019 #159

Here's the full list.. honest.abe Aug 2019 #2

Too narrow? As in appeals with in-depth plans that help Indians, women, gun-threatened kids, ancianita Aug 2019 #12

She will be deemed a socialist and they won't vote for her. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #17

All I'm saying is that she can address their problems in ways that aren't socialist. She's got a ancianita Aug 2019 #26

Would dearly love to see a fe prez. Supported Hillary in 08 and again in 16. If she can do what Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #98

True. At the same time she's aware that they might act up like last time, and so she's playing ancianita Aug 2019 #127

Somebody floated the idea of Deval Patrick as a top VP pick. Said he and Biden are close Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #132

I can't say I like him. He's a manager at Bain Capital, and too conservative for me. Not saying he ancianita Aug 2019 #138

I did not know that about mr. Patrick, thx for informing Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #145

I don't really know him, but the few times I've heard him speak he's seemed too calculating. ancianita Aug 2019 #149

Just wanted to say too I think Jay Inslee is great! I sure wish his campaign would catch fire!! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #133

I think she may have issues with certain voter blocks in particular black voters. honest.abe Aug 2019 #39

We'll see before she's up for nominee, I'm sure. There's no winning without the black vote. ancianita Aug 2019 #50

Agree.. thx for the informative post Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #146

you forgot one, Bullock Celerity Aug 2019 #23

Thanks fixed n/t. honest.abe Aug 2019 #35

yw Celerity Aug 2019 #125

Surprised Yang made their approved list. UBI is about as leftist as you can get. (n/t) thesquanderer Aug 2019 #44

Yeah, I think he gets a pass on the leftist issue since he is also an entrepreneur. honest.abe Aug 2019 #47

not if it is used to justify cuts to rest of the welfare state and ends up increasing poverty Celerity Aug 2019 #131

Those 'officials' do not speak for me. nt RandiFan1290 Aug 2019 #3

Dont ya just love it when they tell US what we need. vsrazdem Aug 2019 #5

Seriously!! We need Bernie, plain and simple!! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #153

Advice from Florida? Cartoonist Aug 2019 #6

That has worked well in the past - not. Nanjeanne Aug 2019 #7

Will we EVER learn?! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #155

Lol...more lack of cowbell please! BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #9

They're prominent Democrats who speak for a lot of Democrats. Former FLA Senate Democratic leader. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #10

Maybe they can focus on telling GOP base about Rupert Murdoch sharedvalues Aug 2019 #14

What makes you think they haven't? What makes you think Democratic leaders in the state highplainsdem Aug 2019 #19

It's well known that dotard's base isn't going to be swayed. Why would they waste their time Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #25

It's well known that half of the trump base is reachable sharedvalues Aug 2019 #141

They are correct. This is not a national election but an electoral college election and it will be Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #18

Elizabeth Warren can explain and sell healthy capitalism better than anyone blm Aug 2019 #32

If they're so smart, why did they fail in 2016? 2020Junker Aug 2019 #38

It's a republican held state... how would you expect that to happen. Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #63

That's exactly the point 2020Junker Aug 2019 #74

You are entitled to your opinion Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #95

Their county went for Hillary 2-1 over Trump Jose Garcia Aug 2019 #113

I find it interesting... sacto95834 Aug 2019 #90

When was the last time Florida secured its elections? delisen Aug 2019 #13

complete garbage! Joe941 Aug 2019 #15

You said it!! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #156

Here's another look as to why this might play out with a moderate, not only Fl but nation wide Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #20

more of the same? not_the_one Aug 2019 #21

Biden would NEVER pardon Rump, zero chance, if he did it would destroy our Party nt Celerity Aug 2019 #30

Your points are well taken. If only the young voters would vote.. their track record is terrible! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #33

I am right there with you! Your post is right on. Thanks! n/t CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2019 #34

if you're worried about young voters.. nini Aug 2019 #108

lol. we live in a time of hyper partisanship. the *prominent group* needs to catch up or sit down. Kurt V. Aug 2019 #29

I am a Broward County Democrat and this Real Solutions Caucus(?) does not speak for me! FM123 Aug 2019 #31

It will be interesting to see if Warren can sucessfully comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author Gothmog Aug 2019 #42

GOP data elleng Aug 2019 #49

Whatever happened to the conservative wing of the Democratic Party? bluedigger Aug 2019 #45

Are they fighting against Florida's crooked elections first and foremost? 50 Shades Of Blue Aug 2019 #46

I sure hope so! elleng Aug 2019 #48

valid point evertonfc Aug 2019 #51

Socialism polls badly and would kill a far left candidate Gothmog Aug 2019 #52

AstroTurf organization crafting false narrative Fiendish Thingy Aug 2019 #56

Exactly. blm Aug 2019 #61

+1,000. E$tabli$hment can't put forth evidence so resorts to MarcA Aug 2019 #122

Same old story, same old song and dance, my friend... not falling for it THIS time!! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #157

Warren has more Wall Street acceptance delisen Aug 2019 #60

Washington Post-Democrats back off once-fervent embrace of Medicare-for-all Gothmog Aug 2019 #62

the people who don't want medicare 4 all are the people that already have good healthcare questionseverything Aug 2019 #77

Which is 85% of the people and they will come out to vote in droves NYMinute Aug 2019 #84

in the primaries you are prob right questionseverything Aug 2019 #87

MfA was not on the ballot in 2016 NYMinute Aug 2019 #112

wow talk about changing lanes questionseverything Aug 2019 #144

As a health care professional your statement isn't correct. Nurses doctors all health care Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #92

are u saying docs and nurses dont want nedicare for all? questionseverything Aug 2019 #143

No, I'm saying that you said those that have health care could care less if others don't and nothing Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #148

no i said those that dont support medicare 4 all already have theirs questionseverything Aug 2019 #150

love the nurses questionseverything Aug 2019 #151

The Florida Dems did a wonderful job in 2016... oh, never mind. Autumn Aug 2019 #68

I wish there was a way we could model a moderate centrist in an election against trump. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #69

I'm sure there is some way of Florida gauging how a moderate centrist would do against Trump. Autumn Aug 2019 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author Gothmog Aug 2019 #72

..... Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #83

Well that was 2016 for sure. Don't see any data to back up what 1nonblond, a Biden fan Autumn Aug 2019 #88

Why? Do you think Trump can make a case for predatory capitalism better blm Aug 2019 #91

Democrats Back Off Medicare-for-All Gothmog Aug 2019 #71

MfA is political suicide nt NYMinute Aug 2019 #85

Indeed Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #104

Have to agree with them that we need to appeal to the swing voters in swing states treestar Aug 2019 #75

They are 100% right we are not going to win PA, Michigan or Wisconsin with doc03 Aug 2019 #80

Yup! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #105

Why? Do you believe Trump can make a better case for blm Aug 2019 #107

Thanks. I don't get calling her far ANYTHING, elleng Aug 2019 #114

She has a big spending program for everything doc03 Aug 2019 #115

Warren has the economic facts to combat the fearmongering. blm Aug 2019 #117

He doesn't have to be will say only he doc03 Aug 2019 #118

Not in my language. elleng Aug 2019 #120

She is just to preachy like Al Gore doc03 Aug 2019 #123

NOT, of course, if people bother to LISTEN to what they say, elleng Aug 2019 #124

I agree with her but the Democrats that swicthed doc03 Aug 2019 #126

I defer comment on them generally, elleng Aug 2019 #128

The union plant I worked in closed in 2009. doc03 Aug 2019 #130

bernie had tons of support in wisconsin and michigan questionseverything Aug 2019 #147

Those were both open primary states where republicans could cross over and vote for.... George II Aug 2019 #173

in your opionion questionseverything Aug 2019 #174

"This election will be decided in a handful of swing states,..." myohmy2 Aug 2019 #110

Two words from 2016 "Blue Wall" Oh and she doc03 Aug 2019 #116

Yes, back to dem basics Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #139

blah, blah, blah... myohmy2 Aug 2019 #161

"think Bernie." BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #166

Calling Barack's brother Joe... you are needed in Florida. Princetonian Aug 2019 #121

As of right now the electorate map shows Fl leaning dem Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #140

Nice electoral map with Trump is underwater in TX and GA. Princetonian Aug 2019 #167

is hillary president? no. screw moderate. pansypoo53219 Aug 2019 #136

BINGO!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2019 #154

If the Democratic Party's platform was the most progressive in history, how was betsuni Aug 2019 #163

REAL PEOPLE DO NOT READ A PLATFORM! be sensible. she ran as a competent moderate pansypoo53219 Aug 2019 #175

Didn't we try that in 2016? Joe941 Aug 2019 #142

Don't act like you don't know how Cha Aug 2019 #160

No thanks -nt Bradical79 Aug 2019 #168

Ya know, we can't get most of DU to line up with the most leftish candidates, so how... TreasonousBastard Aug 2019 #170

I don't see Senator Warren as 'excessively radical,' in fact not radical AT ALL, elleng Aug 2019 #171

I don't either, but she is being portrayed as "very" left by some of her supporters and many... TreasonousBastard Aug 2019 #172

America is f'ed up if swing voters fear progressive goals more than the current fascist in the WH. LonePirate Aug 2019 #176