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ehrnst

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105. Again... Making promises that aren't kept can backfire to the point of destroying credibility

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:57 AM

Aug 2019

on the part of those who make them.

BTW - Medicare has premiums and deductibles, doesn't cover Rx or Dental or glasses.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/sites/default/files/documents/___media_files_publications_issue_brief_2017_may_schoen_medicare_cost_burden_ib_v2.pdf

So the "Medicare for All" that Sanders is promising isn't really "Medicare" at all. It's more like a platinum private plan that he claims will cost less. Promises of a politician don't mean more than that of actual health care analysts.

When it doesn't cover all those things, then the GOP can use it like they did "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" to undermine support for the ACA, and get support for opposing medicaid expansion in their state, and "repeal and replace."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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No, it's not about "courage".. Many More People just like a Different Health Coverage [View all] Cha Aug 2019 OP

This! mcar Aug 2019 #1

Mahalo, mcar! BS is wrong. Cha Aug 2019 #7

Krystal Ball melman Aug 2019 #2

the time for shallow politics needs to end. its all about courage. piketty has a new book out in Kurt V. Aug 2019 #3

If by "different" you mean inadequate, but with choices(!), then sure. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #4

No.. don't try to put words in my mouth. Cha Aug 2019 #6

+1 area51 Aug 2019 #8

Yes melman Aug 2019 #11

I don't think you understand Medicare frazzled Aug 2019 #27

Medicare payments would see fundamental changes under Medicare for All HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #28

If that bill passes committee I'll eat my hat tymorial Aug 2019 #31

It's called Medicare for All because Medicare is a familiar name HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #34

Perhaps he means REAL Medicare? radical noodle Aug 2019 #76

Maybe to you. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #97

You mean like "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor?" ehrnst Aug 2019 #102

Medicare for All is a national health insurance program. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #104

Again... Making promises that aren't kept can backfire to the point of destroying credibility ehrnst Aug 2019 #105

I have been defending Medicare for All in multiple threads, including this one. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #110

I. Read. The. Bill. ehrnst Aug 2019 #111

Clearly you either didn't read it, or you're being intentionally misleading. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #112

If you read my posts, you would know that I don't think it looks AT ALL like Medicare does. ehrnst Aug 2019 #113

WTF radical noodle Aug 2019 #118

In this case, it's being used as a marketing term. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #122

So we're lying to people? radical noodle Aug 2019 #123

It's just the name of the bill, and the bill is publicly available for people to read. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #124

Right after they read the Mueller report, right? radical noodle Aug 2019 #125

Well, truth in advertising would indicate otherwise. ehrnst Aug 2019 #138

Yeah, I don't like anything about it. Cha Aug 2019 #132

Sort of like naming a bill that restricts marriage "The Defense of Marriage Act." (nt) ehrnst Aug 2019 #139

Yes.. Gas Lighting. Cha Aug 2019 #147

I find it damned ironic you accuse others of not understanding the bill LanternWaste Aug 2019 #126

I've heard that kind of "If you don't agree with me lockstep, you are wrong, ehrnst Aug 2019 #140

Thank you! Cha Sep 2019 #149

But obviously we're NOT familiar with it at all radical noodle Aug 2019 #117

But when you create false expectations... ehrnst Aug 2019 #94

Rather like calling oneself a "Democratic Socialist"? n/t namahage Aug 2019 #130

another Bernie fairytale. wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #52

Look at all the important legislation Bernie has passed. comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #72

LMAO! radical noodle Aug 2019 #119

Thank you. Cha Aug 2019 #145

At least Bernie admits he wants to take on the whole "health care" industry riverine Aug 2019 #5

Considering Medicare for All is a national health insurance program... HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #9

When did "Medicare for All" become a national health insurance program? George II Aug 2019 #12

That's literally what it is. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #14

That bill is propaganda - it won't even pass a committee. nt NYMinute Aug 2019 #15

LOL HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #17

LOL ehrnst Aug 2019 #115

Yes, there's that hurdle. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2019 #116

It literally is a proposed "national health insurance program", it hasn't even been reviewed.... George II Aug 2019 #22

Well Republicans control the Senate HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #26

There are not enough Democrats in the House who support this bill right now. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #57

A public option on the ACA didn't get through a Democratic House and Senate. ehrnst Aug 2019 #114

When will Bernie obtain the courage to price it in taxes paid? riverine Aug 2019 #20

Estimates costs of Medicare for All vs our current system: HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #23

I'll give you that. riverine Aug 2019 #25

Medicare funding will change under Medicare for All HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #30

Thanks for being honest. riverine Aug 2019 #37

Right and little by little the pugs will make it suck every time they get in office... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #58

Sure, and you could say that about any bill the Dems pass. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #95

If SCOTUS in 2012 upheld that states could not be made to participate in medicaid expansion ehrnst Aug 2019 #98

Again, you could use that argument against any bill. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #99

That's a false equivalency... ehrnst Aug 2019 #101

remember only workers pay for employer health insurance, even the employer 'match'. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #143

You could write a bill that saves more money. It will wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #53

Not that simple. Anyone who tells you it is ehrnst Aug 2019 #83

Here's an article that includes a bunch. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #96

Nope - that stat is not in there: ehrnst Aug 2019 #100

It's a federally funded program, of course the cost would go to the federal government. HerbChestnut Aug 2019 #103

"Arguments against the 2016 Sanders plan are bunk." ehrnst Aug 2019 #106

I am more concerned about the courage to admit when you aren't an expert on something ehrnst Aug 2019 #108

He is in the "seize" everything in sight mode. nt NYMinute Aug 2019 #18

The profit margin of the health care insurance industry is between 3-5%. That's a fraction... George II Aug 2019 #40

3% is also the working margin for Medicare Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #51

Correct. People like talking about how the insurance companies are raking in billions, but.... George II Aug 2019 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #59

Perhaps some should review Harris' career as Attorney General of our largest state.... George II Aug 2019 #10

Exactly, George.. BS doesn't have to get Cha Aug 2019 #16

I am a UHC person but for me it is all about timing, we have a traitor, a fascist in the WH and Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #29

Interesting turnaround melman Aug 2019 #35

She declined to prosecute Mnuchin and OneWest Bank. roody Aug 2019 #38

She voted to confirm him? Really? namahage Aug 2019 #43

You may want to double check that. She voted against his confirmation. She voted to advance.... George II Aug 2019 #44

You are right. I shall edit. roody Aug 2019 #45

Thanks...... George II Aug 2019 #46

It is about ego and fuzzy math -- not about courage at all. nt NYMinute Aug 2019 #13

"Not everyone is prepared to do that." saidsimplesimon Aug 2019 #19

This made me see a vision of windmills and an old guy on a horse taking them on. betsuni Aug 2019 #21

lol.. Definitely! Cha Aug 2019 #24

This is insulting to people working in the health care industry. betsuni Aug 2019 #88

Right.. it's insulting to Cha Aug 2019 #91

Why in the world would she co-sponsor it if she wasn't comfortable? SMC22307 Aug 2019 #32

It is easy to talk tough namahage Aug 2019 #33

Right, namahage.. tough talker. Cha Aug 2019 #42

Yes, I totally prefer no vision, dental, or roody Aug 2019 #36

It's a shame we always settle for second best. The Repubs get a giant tax break and then... JoeOtterbein Aug 2019 #39

Well, you should tell that to Senator Sanders. He's promising a platinum plan ehrnst Aug 2019 #109

Sorry, I forgot the sarcasm label. roody Aug 2019 #128

.... ehrnst Aug 2019 #142

JUST IN: On top of Senator Sanders suggesting today that Kamala lacks "courage," one of his closest Cha Aug 2019 #41

Guaranteed they believe all the CTs about Harris. betsuni Aug 2019 #63

Of course, with insults like these. Cha Aug 2019 #70

Only the facts are necessary to know that roody Aug 2019 #144

In Opposite World. betsuni Aug 2019 #146

No, she has good things to say sometimes. namahage Aug 2019 #69

Do we ahve the courage to implement a plan that the Tiggeroshii Aug 2019 #47

No it isn't.. More People Prefer Biden's Plan.. Cha Aug 2019 #49

Indeed they do Cha... thx so much for posting! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #50

Thank you, Thekaspervote! Cha Aug 2019 #56

Well, if a politician running for office says it's easy if we elect them... ehrnst Aug 2019 #107

Except he doesnt. He does however say we need to try. Instead Tiggeroshii Aug 2019 #135

Yes, he does - he went from "I'll do it in 4 years" down to 2 years ehrnst Aug 2019 #136

If they don't like it we must support their concerns. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #141

It is rubbish to call for M4A when we already have a law that can be strengthened and cover Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #48

King Bernie will ride in on his white horse and slay wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #54

Indeed Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #60

This. NT emmaverybo Aug 2019 #79

But it's not perfect... comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #74

+1 betsuni Aug 2019 #78

Agree... we should improve the ACA radical noodle Aug 2019 #120

K&R Scurrilous Aug 2019 #61

Also, some of us just want to win before we take the next step. ooky Aug 2019 #62

Exactly ooky! We have our Priorites and Cha Aug 2019 #64

This is a great ad I hope he keeps running it often. ooky Aug 2019 #65

Also, some of us just want to win before the whole nation takes a dirt nap. Maru Kitteh Aug 2019 #121

Coming up with bills that will never ever pass is not courage Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #66

I think you're wrong... myohmy2 Aug 2019 #68

Bernie's lack of accomplishmen as a legislator comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #75

You said it! frazzled Aug 2019 #81

Thank you.. well said! Cha Aug 2019 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author myohmy2 Aug 2019 #87

What Democratic candidates... ehrnst Aug 2019 #92

Beautifully said. NT emmaverybo Aug 2019 #129

I think you're wrong... ehrnst Aug 2019 #93

Bernie... myohmy2 Aug 2019 #67

"Better than nothing." You say that as if Bernie's plan is the only health care reform proposal ehrnst Aug 2019 #86

how many more... myohmy2 Aug 2019 #89

Going to avoid.... ehrnst Aug 2019 #90

One needn't be courageous to reject a fantasy... comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #71

One would be smart! Cha Aug 2019 #73

Thanks Cha for the post! WA-03 Democrat Aug 2019 #77

You're Welcome, WA-03! Cha Aug 2019 #80

That's a passive way to call a female rival candidate "fearful." ehrnst Aug 2019 #84

+1 betsuni Aug 2019 #85

Yeah, it's been noticed. Cha Aug 2019 #131

The US health care system is profit oriented. guillaumeb Aug 2019 #127

Here's my thing Bettie Aug 2019 #133

KICK for Biden's Plan that's the most Cha Aug 2019 #134

yeah especially sick people who can't stop working because Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #137

Why do posters here reject the realities of the working poor? Humanist_Activist Aug 2019 #148