Democratic Primaries

Vinca

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172. You make good points, but I honestly feel our democracy is in peril and beating Trump - for me - is

Thu Aug 29, 2019, 06:10 AM

Aug 2019

the only issue. Any of our candidates would be light years better than what we've got now. I joke about Biden, but I've decided he's right on healthcare. I want Medicare For All, but I think gradually getting there via Obamacare and a public option is the way to do it. In the 2018 elections we learned Obamacare is really, really popular and we should build on that sentiment by adding a public option. That said, you notice I'm not endorsing anyone yet. If I had to vote in the NH primary today, I'm not sure who I would mark the box for. For me, any of our candidates - even Williamson - have their good qualities. I might vote in the Republican primary instead (we can do that) and cast a vote for Weld. I'd love to see Trump lose a state primary.

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Sorry, not Biden. Too late. [View all] trof Aug 2019 OP

No.. sorry that's your opinion.. everyone Cha Aug 2019 #1

For Sure DownriverDem Aug 2019 #16

Biden will bring in a competent, much attentioned to staff of experts for advise. olegramps Aug 2019 #212

Using the op's logic.. well.. we should run RGB out of the Supreme Court.. Peacetrain Sep 2019 #299

There are many people in their 70s whose minds are sharper than many or most in their 20s hlthe2b Aug 2019 #2

But pnwpolicy Aug 2019 #14

Baloney.. so what. We all go through Cha Aug 2019 #19

"The majority want Biden now" um, no, he's polling at an AVERAGE of 28.9% bluewater Aug 2019 #21

Agree with you zentrum Aug 2019 #20

It's all over wingnutville BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #26

He often referred to Obama as his boss. Nothing new. Because he was. FloridaBlues Aug 2019 #52

That doesn't appear to be what happened FreeState Aug 2019 #73

that does not prove he forgot treestar Aug 2019 #161

It's also all over wingnutville Mr.Bill Aug 2019 #76

There is an actual video. Tipperary Aug 2019 #149

can I just say how much I admire your open-mindedness and honesty? renate Aug 2019 #219

The wingnutville that claimed HRC had Parkinson's Disease and assasinated people? emulatorloo Aug 2019 #112

This isn't a plot BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #150

It was your decision to bring wingnutville here. Very poor judgment at the very least emulatorloo Aug 2019 #292

This message was self-deleted by its author BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #293

Stop putting words in my mouth I didn't say. Your attempts to deflect from your promotion of RW emulatorloo Aug 2019 #294

100+ True Blue American Aug 2019 #153

Another wingnut!!! marieo1 Aug 2019 #200

Wingnutville will never vote for any Democrat, ever. They traffic in outrageous lies... Hekate Aug 2019 #140

You don't know that... I've seen people in their 20s do that with sleep deprivation and too busy hlthe2b Aug 2019 #37

I'm 40 and have "moments" Jake Stern Aug 2019 #75

I couldn't remember the model of our 2011 car today LakeArenal Aug 2019 #44

I call them honey!:) True Blue American Aug 2019 #154

There is so much data today treestar Aug 2019 #162

I have never been able True Blue American Aug 2019 #151

Experience works for me! True Blue American Aug 2019 #152

hell my hubby is 66 and a hospital pharmacist and hes called in the middle of the night to.. samnsara Aug 2019 #170

Be careful of the primary bubble DIVINEprividence Aug 2019 #225

No one gets to decide who is old and what is a gaffe. NYMinute Aug 2019 #3

Other candidates have been polled beating Trump Maggiemayhem Aug 2019 #191

Not outside the MOE NYMinute Aug 2019 #206

I sure do get to decide who is old and what a gaffe is. And that ain't all... trof Aug 2019 #260

You should reconsider... jberryhill Aug 2019 #4

Oy veh.... sans text sprinkleeninow Aug 2019 #91

LOL sans text proActivist Aug 2019 #101

Spoken like a true patent lawyer. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #207

Do you plan to come check for a label, or what? trof Aug 2019 #263

I'm bringing the crew... jberryhill Aug 2019 #291

I'll vote for Biden's detached big toe if that's what's on the ballot against Trump. Vinca Aug 2019 #5

Left or right? jberryhill Aug 2019 #6

Either big toe works for me. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #8

We need this question everything Aug 2019 #10

You want a toe? tonedevil Aug 2019 #65

++Thanks I need a smile lunasun Aug 2019 #100

You can't bring up detached toes... tonedevil Aug 2019 #106

Without expressing a bias Newest Reality Aug 2019 #87

With few exceptions, each and every Democratic candidate we have now would do their utmost... Hekate Aug 2019 #141

You make good points, but I honestly feel our democracy is in peril and beating Trump - for me - is Vinca Aug 2019 #172

Our democracy is obviously in peril, from Trump AND his Republican enablers. But, TryLogic Aug 2019 #217

me too!!!!! samnsara Aug 2019 #171

It is not your decison to make...and it looks like Biden will be the nominee...I doubt any of the Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #7

Maybe the OP had a view he wanted to express? cwydro Aug 2019 #32

Hear, hear.... I was taken to the woodshed a couple of months ago secondwind Aug 2019 #83

Lol, how DARE you! cwydro Aug 2019 #271

+1 True Dough Aug 2019 #117

Thank you. You understand what DU is for. trof Aug 2019 #266

"I really don't understand why you would even post this.." pangaia Aug 2019 #48

Thank You ChubbyStar Aug 2019 #147

Really...the idea that Biden is not mentally competent is a rightwing talking point...I object to Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #231

Of course you have a right to your opinion ChubbyStar Aug 2019 #274

voicing right wing propaganda is not good idea period...even if it is your opinion. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #288

Let me quote you from a post upthread ChubbyStar Aug 2019 #290

Biden is the front runner and likely nominee...this is a right wing meme...heard it on the radio Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #230

So is it alright.... cannabis_flower Aug 2019 #234

"looks like Biden will be the nominee" jcgoldie Aug 2019 #131

It IS his decision and the rest of us voters to make. zackymilly Aug 2019 #180

gotta agree Larrybanal Aug 2019 #9

Biden's decline? Control-Z Aug 2019 #57

Are you serious? Mr.Bill Aug 2019 #69

again, the person or their parents treestar Aug 2019 #165

Taking gratuitous swipes at Obama? You sure you're in the right place? Tarheel_Dem Aug 2019 #174

If ya ain't got SCVDem Aug 2019 #11

Thank you for sharing your personal insights. bluewater Aug 2019 #12

All three of the current leaders are in their 70s but Biden has by far the best policy proposals riverine Aug 2019 #13

The risk for Alzheimers, for example, doubles every 5 years from the age of 65. pnwmom Aug 2019 #23

I would like to see him make a deal with Amy Klobuchar - she is VP and immediately becomes riverine Aug 2019 #25

No way Joe will be a lame duck president on Inauguration Day. LakeArenal Aug 2019 #47

I'd rather see Warren on the ticket. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #50

She's way too centrist dflprincess Aug 2019 #81

Interesting take on it. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #84

Yes she is dflprincess Aug 2019 #95

Hurray for the bean poll. (: TryLogic Aug 2019 #220

We need a progressive Turin_C3PO Aug 2019 #252

Biden's status quo policies will give us another Republican in the WH in 2024. Ace Rothstein Aug 2019 #204

Scary prediction. TryLogic Aug 2019 #221

Wait... OilemFirchen Aug 2019 #15

:) I still feel like I'm at least 4 inches taller than I really am, Hortensis Aug 2019 #22

LOL!!! pangaia Aug 2019 #53

Well,yeah! True Blue American Aug 2019 #155

+1000 emmaverybo Aug 2019 #79

+1 it is very common treestar Aug 2019 #163

:) Yes. I have memory problems. Nancy Pelosi is famous for Hortensis Aug 2019 #179

His age does concern me. TheCowsCameHome Aug 2019 #17

There are more important things to worry about Gothmog Aug 2019 #134

Perspective there! True Blue American Aug 2019 #156

Joe Biden was interviewed for 90 minutes by the press yesterday Gothmog Aug 2019 #193

I agree with every word. True Blue American Aug 2019 #196

I worry about losing Warren's senate seat Gothmog Aug 2019 #197

The primary electorate will determine if it's too late. BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #18

Indeed! bluewater Aug 2019 #27

Fanatism will get us nowhere Perseus Aug 2019 #24

Do we need his A game treestar Aug 2019 #205

Yes, we need his "A" game, anything less will give ammunition to the repubs Perseus Aug 2019 #241

To repair the Damage treestar Aug 2019 #257

I'll take wisdom and experience over youth, any day of the week bucolic_frolic Aug 2019 #28

Personally, I rather be in my fifties again. HeartlandProgressive Aug 2019 #34

Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #38

Sad for you. I find it true for myself. I think it has a lot to do redstateblues Aug 2019 #60

Elite athletes who also play and read music perform better at sports than elite athletes who do not. Princetonian Aug 2019 #115

Not true in your case, maybe. But try not to project your limitations onto everyone else. LanternWaste Aug 2019 #185

Age and wisdom snowballs? (I'm 75) TryLogic Aug 2019 #222

I wish he and Sanders MFM008 Aug 2019 #29

I like Biden, and he was my fave at first. cwydro Aug 2019 #30

So I guess Ruth Ginsberg should retire immediately. Shes in her mid 80s! oldsoftie Aug 2019 #31

YES Skittles Aug 2019 #67

WEll Obama is retired, shes older NOW, so she should retire? oldsoftie Aug 2019 #92

again, Ginsberg should have retired long ago Skittles Aug 2019 #119

Not really. Biden has been known for gaffes for years, has nothing to do with age. oldsoftie Aug 2019 #159

I'd vote for a ham sandwich if they ran it against Donald Fucking Trump Skittles Aug 2019 #245

that's not due to age but political treestar Aug 2019 #164

She was appointed at 60. Would you appoint an 86 year old to the Supreme Court? Autumn Aug 2019 #192

Well, you have one vote in your state's primary. MineralMan Aug 2019 #33

C'mon man. I'm in Alabama. trof Aug 2019 #269

Your state has a Democratic primary and sends delegates MineralMan Aug 2019 #295

the capabilities of the human brain begin to decline at average age of 56. Exceptions of course Kurt V. Aug 2019 #35

Actually, decision making can improve. emmaverybo Aug 2019 #82

Bookmarked for REBUTTING AGEIST ATTACKS Princetonian Aug 2019 #135

"average" treestar Aug 2019 #166

No attacks from me. guillaumeb Aug 2019 #36

What does lifting True Blue American Aug 2019 #157

We often experience physical and mental decline. guillaumeb Aug 2019 #232

We'll have to agree to disagree Sugarcoated Aug 2019 #39

At 73 I agree with you. wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #40

I am way younger, but what I will say is at 20, I never could look like the super models of the time hlthe2b Aug 2019 #45

My primary is in March. I'll see how he's doing then, and if he is still Hoyt Aug 2019 #41

Commit to one term and surround yourself with competent people. Freethinker65 Aug 2019 #42

Tell that to Jimmy Carter. George II Aug 2019 #43

Jimmy was only 52 at his inauguration. n/m El Supremo Aug 2019 #59

He is still sharp enough to be President at 90 redstateblues Aug 2019 #137

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. FloridaBlues Aug 2019 #46

Sorry you feel that way, sir. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, though. LincolnRossiter Aug 2019 #49

Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #51

Have to agree. Those who don't see it, won't see it. nt Ferrets are Cool Aug 2019 #54

And you support a 70 year old? n/m El Supremo Aug 2019 #58

It's not about age. It's about the gaffs Ferrets are Cool Aug 2019 #86

Warren made a big mistake until 1996 that Joe was too smart to make. Princetonian Aug 2019 #98

Touche True Blue American Aug 2019 #158

No, love you, but no. Unless everything changes, no. nt Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2019 #55

I agree. El Supremo Aug 2019 #56

Why single out Joe? Bernie is older while Liz is a little younger. All are septuagenarians. Princetonian Aug 2019 #61

And so is Trump. Mr.Bill Aug 2019 #70

lol... exactly! Princetonian Aug 2019 #78

Joe would be 82 at the end of his first term. Martin Eden Aug 2019 #62

Thanks for letting us know. Mr.Bill Aug 2019 #72

I agree. jalan48 Aug 2019 #63

His age and experience Mr.Bill Aug 2019 #64

Good idea, Mr. Bill. Princetonian Aug 2019 #68

I hear you, trof Skittles Aug 2019 #66

ENOUGH of what? A kind, decent man with the highest levels of legislative and executive experience? Princetonian Aug 2019 #88

someone who is past his prime Skittles Aug 2019 #118

What does that even mean? Princetonian Aug 2019 #120

LOL Skittles Aug 2019 #121

Yeah and so is Beto who needs more of what VP Joe has: gravitas. Princetonian Aug 2019 #122

I think I poked a hornets' nest. trof Aug 2019 #268

I'm several years younger than Biden, and I'm very aware that people age at very different rates. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #71

Our big problem with the candidates we have customerserviceguy Aug 2019 #74

It is the responsibility for we older Dems (I'm 81) to step aside BarbD Aug 2019 #77

Step aside for whom? Princetonian Aug 2019 #80

We have a multitude of qualified choices. BarbD Aug 2019 #89

Such as? Princetonian Aug 2019 #96

Warren, Harris, Klobucher BarbD Aug 2019 #99

Not as qualified as Biden. And Warren is 70, so if age is disqualifying, she should also step aside. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #103

Warren is 70. She should move aside, right? Plus she has very little support from black voters. Princetonian Aug 2019 #104

Warren has one term as Senator treestar Aug 2019 #262

the top of Biden's game is way better treestar Aug 2019 #261

None of the other candidates can win...a good VP selection is the solution ...not losing to Trump in Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #233

If we get out the vote, we will win. Turin_C3PO Aug 2019 #255

We won't win by getting out the vote...we won the house with moderate voters... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #289

Looks like not everyone agrees with that treestar Aug 2019 #259

Of the three oldies he seems to have the least vigor When he was VP in the beginning he seemed in lunasun Aug 2019 #85

Great. You have an opinion. Awesome. Loki Liesmith Aug 2019 #90

Discussion forums aren't worth much True Dough Aug 2019 #123

Sorry, but going to call it like I see it and that is we need an old white man to beat an old white iluvtennis Aug 2019 #93

First, I don't think Biden is in mental decline. But even if he was... TrollBuster9090 Aug 2019 #94

👍👍 Duppers Aug 2019 #97

I see no decline evident in his recent Op-Ed on the relationship between years of failed policy in emmaverybo Aug 2019 #144

Biden gets slagged for the kinds of minor slips of the tongue The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2019 #208

I must agree with you. Joe's great and all but dang I would love to see amuse bouche Aug 2019 #102

Look how much 8 years aged Obama, and he wasn't forgetful like Joe. We need a full 8 years, not 4. Autumn Aug 2019 #105

Senator Obama said he visited all 57 states. President Obama got gray hair, so what? Princetonian Aug 2019 #107

In your eyes Biden's a silver fox. Obama's gaffes were very few and far in between. nt Autumn Aug 2019 #109

I have good eyes. I am almost half his age but I find him really fit, fun and charming. Princetonian Aug 2019 #111

Yes, the "57 states" thing gets trotted out daily True Dough Aug 2019 #124

But also true and not nearly as repetitious as the gratitious ageist bigotry aimed daily at VP Joe. Princetonian Aug 2019 #125

And it's stupid, there is no comparison. None. Autumn Aug 2019 #176

Like alleging "so many gaffes. How concerning..." LanternWaste Aug 2019 #188

What is the specific number of gaffes of each? LanternWaste Aug 2019 #186

If you really want to know the specific number of gaffes of each I suggest you try google. Autumn Aug 2019 #190

the presidency does not age them treestar Aug 2019 #167

What are you going to do... SayItLoud Aug 2019 #108

We are not all the same... 7horses Aug 2019 #110

RBG...nt Mars and Minerva Aug 2019 #113

big difference between mopinko Aug 2019 #148

He's six years older than your candidate. Maybe you think that Warren is too old. Mars and Minerva Aug 2019 #281

How many women do you figure the GOP has in waiting that are willing to say Imperialism Inc. Aug 2019 #114

How many black voters do you think will turn out for Warren in a GE relative to Barack's brother? Princetonian Aug 2019 #116

Barack's brother? Tipperary Aug 2019 #145

Yes, that's right. Princetonian Aug 2019 #187

Obama's brother is running? n/t zackymilly Aug 2019 #182

Yes, his name is Joe. Princetonian Aug 2019 #189

Wonder if I call Bill Gates 'Daddy' it will make is so. n/t zackymilly Aug 2019 #198

Stay classy, zackymilly. Princetonian Aug 2019 #239

lol he'd be running against the Great Pussy Grabber treestar Aug 2019 #168

+1 myohmy2 Aug 2019 #126

Some Sugarcoated Aug 2019 #128

Um, Bernie is the oldest candidate in the field. Princetonian Aug 2019 #129

I take your point - but everyone is different. dchill Aug 2019 #127

I spent an afternoon with Freeman Dyson in his late 80's. It was one of the most... NNadir Aug 2019 #130

No flaming here, trof True Dough Aug 2019 #132

What about trump's gaffes? Gothmog Aug 2019 #133

Some gaffes/misstatements are different than others.. notKeith Aug 2019 #223

"What about Trump's gaffes?" does not convince me of anything. TryLogic Aug 2019 #226

And they worry about Biden's verbal gaffes? The president is a category 5 disaster Gothmog Sep 2019 #296

Ageism. Plain and simple. Joe941 Aug 2019 #136

Heart not in it pattyloutwo Aug 2019 #138

It's his heart, and his ability to connect emotionally with people that we supporters have been emmaverybo Aug 2019 #146

That's really my only concern with regard to Biden, ecstatic Aug 2019 #139

CNN: Watch Bernie Sanders' punch backfire (Does Not Fit The Narrative) TomCADem Aug 2019 #142

I'm not voting for someone who can punch a bag or do more push-ups than Trump. n/t zackymilly Aug 2019 #183

Why would anybody care what an old guy thinks anyway....ain't that right? nt UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #143

Huge declines in rate of age-related dementia delisen Aug 2019 #160

but you WILL vote for him if hes the Dem nom...riiiiight??? samnsara Aug 2019 #169

Old, White, Male. I do not want a candidate that hits all 3. Tarc Aug 2019 #173

My First Concern is Policy, Which is What Really Matters DrFunkenstein Aug 2019 #177

I agree (mostly) with your lead: TryLogic Aug 2019 #227

Agreed. DrFunkenstein Aug 2019 #280

You're a brave man, trof lillypaddle Aug 2019 #175

Ha! Guess I didn't realize what I was getting into. trof Aug 2019 #275

Just don't say anything bad about BS lillypaddle Aug 2019 #284

The most important thing about this election is to win. Period. ooky Aug 2019 #178

Agree Totally colsohlibgal Aug 2019 #181

No need to project your own devolvement onto everyone of the same age. LanternWaste Aug 2019 #184

"People don't care about the gaffes. Because when you look at what we currently have in Joe Biden. Gothmog Aug 2019 #194

You're absolutely right! tberry65 Aug 2019 #195

Energizing non-voters and independents is what the Party most needs Ponietz Aug 2019 #199

I agree without the Nomex undies at 72. saidsimplesimon Aug 2019 #201

You are right, Biden is too old extvbroadcaster Aug 2019 #202

My Dad is 87, and due to lifetime of eating right and exercise, can probably kick the butts of most Sloumeau Aug 2019 #203

What is amusing is the OP choose to single out Biden, not the other leading candidate who is older still_one Aug 2019 #209

I'm guessing a big bulk of the likes are also from Bernie & Warren supporters... Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #210

No doubt about it, and it is divisionary and insulting. still_one Aug 2019 #213

You're right. See my reply 240. I decided to check, got too bored after checking the first 52 highplainsdem Aug 2019 #242

I love Joe, but duforsure Aug 2019 #211

LOL. Another I love Joe but.......................... Post. "some of my best friends are......... still_one Aug 2019 #214

Bottom line is that Joe needs to get his misspeaking under control. Turin_C3PO Aug 2019 #256

He is an expert on a lot of things treestar Aug 2019 #218

It is the individual, not their age that matters HeartlandProgressive Aug 2019 #215

Can you predict how advanced age will affect someone in a very stressful job 5 years from now? Martin Eden Aug 2019 #228

Biden with full blown dementia for 8 years is better than another day of Trump Always Randy Aug 2019 #216

When my front and back porches are on fire I'm not sure a 77 year old firefighter would Autumn Aug 2019 #235

Biden has to earn it DIVINEprividence Aug 2019 #224

I agree. citizen blues Aug 2019 #229

K&R Auggie Aug 2019 #236

So RBG should retire for sure, then. Because allegers are like you. nolabear Aug 2019 #237

trof, if you were having any second thoughts based on responses to this thread True Dough Aug 2019 #238

I wasn't, but thanks. WOW. trof Aug 2019 #267

Yes, sir True Dough Aug 2019 #286

Hilarious, or hypocritical? Nearly half the DUers reccing this thread support 70-year-old Warren. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #240

Warren is 6 years younger, that means she is 8% younger. That's a lot. bluewater Aug 2019 #243

No, it isn't. Not enough of a difference if you're truly concerned about age. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #244

8% is a HUGE age difference. bluewater Aug 2019 #246

No, it isn't. But I'm sure you'll find other Warren supporters who'll agree with you that 76 is too highplainsdem Aug 2019 #247

Look at Biden's performance today. bluewater Aug 2019 #251

See that New Yorker article I gave you the link for. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #254

So, any explanation why Biden was so confused today? bluewater Aug 2019 #258

Again, see the article. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #264

He's not confused about the big picture treestar Aug 2019 #265

I LOVE JOE, BUT TROF IS RIGHT!! blakstoneranger Aug 2019 #248

So you think both HRC and Pelosi are too old? I guess that leaves Warren out, too, since she's just highplainsdem Aug 2019 #249

I see Buttigieg is the candidate of the hour. MBS Sep 2019 #300

He'll never be as polished as Buttigieg or Obama that's for sure. Aaron Pereira Aug 2019 #250

Ah bullpucky. Joe Biden got heart, experience, and flamingdem Aug 2019 #253

if all Biden did for a week after his election was put his arms around us and tell us everything.. samnsara Aug 2019 #278

Feels like I pulled the pin on a grenade and just rolled it in here. trof Aug 2019 #270

Yeah and it's nothing like it was in previous primary seasons. Turin_C3PO Aug 2019 #272

Your OP slammed the front-runner. Did you expect your post to be ignored? highplainsdem Aug 2019 #279

"Slammed"? Really? No, I didn't 'slam' him. trof Aug 2019 #282

You don't have to include childish insults to slam someone. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #283

We need experience to handle all the crap that comes with this presidency, thanks to Trump. colorado_ufo Aug 2019 #273

biden knows where all the bodies are hidden.... samnsara Aug 2019 #276

I trust Biden and his values and morals completely. EveHammond13 Aug 2019 #277

Why does the media and everyone else get on doc03 Aug 2019 #285

But You Will Vote For Him If He's The Nominee ... Maine-i-acs Aug 2019 #287

I will vote for whoever has 'D' after their name. trof Sep 2019 #298

bless you Trof Maine-i-acs Sep 2019 #303

I promise you if I'm elected president, unions will have no stronger champion in the White House. Gothmog Sep 2019 #297

Kick. cwydro Sep 2019 #301

The voters get to decide nini Sep 2019 #302