Democratic Primaries

TryLogic

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217. Our democracy is obviously in peril, from Trump AND his Republican enablers. But,

Thu Aug 29, 2019, 12:04 PM

Aug 2019

a well functioning democracy requires an informed, thinking citizenry -- who vote! Too many who vote for the person with the best early poll numbers are voting scared, thinking only about poll numbers. That's how John Kerry got the nomination, in my opinion. People thought it extremely important to beat Bush/Cheney. They watched poll numbers and followed the crowd. But Kerry lost.

The country is one-third independent. Independents intend to vote for the best candidate. We must ensure that we have a great candidate. The good news is that this year we have a bunch of excellent candidates running.

People on this forum will vote for the Dem at the rate of about 99.9%, I am sure. Who will the independents vote for? The good news again is that independents will have a difficult time voting for Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sorry, not Biden. Too late. [View all] trof Aug 2019 OP

No.. sorry that's your opinion.. everyone Cha Aug 2019 #1

For Sure DownriverDem Aug 2019 #16

Biden will bring in a competent, much attentioned to staff of experts for advise. olegramps Aug 2019 #212

Using the op's logic.. well.. we should run RGB out of the Supreme Court.. Peacetrain Sep 2019 #299

There are many people in their 70s whose minds are sharper than many or most in their 20s hlthe2b Aug 2019 #2

But pnwpolicy Aug 2019 #14

Baloney.. so what. We all go through Cha Aug 2019 #19

"The majority want Biden now" um, no, he's polling at an AVERAGE of 28.9% bluewater Aug 2019 #21

Agree with you zentrum Aug 2019 #20

It's all over wingnutville BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #26

He often referred to Obama as his boss. Nothing new. Because he was. FloridaBlues Aug 2019 #52

That doesn't appear to be what happened FreeState Aug 2019 #73

that does not prove he forgot treestar Aug 2019 #161

It's also all over wingnutville Mr.Bill Aug 2019 #76

There is an actual video. Tipperary Aug 2019 #149

can I just say how much I admire your open-mindedness and honesty? renate Aug 2019 #219

The wingnutville that claimed HRC had Parkinson's Disease and assasinated people? emulatorloo Aug 2019 #112

This isn't a plot BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #150

It was your decision to bring wingnutville here. Very poor judgment at the very least emulatorloo Aug 2019 #292

This message was self-deleted by its author BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #293

Stop putting words in my mouth I didn't say. Your attempts to deflect from your promotion of RW emulatorloo Aug 2019 #294

100+ True Blue American Aug 2019 #153

Another wingnut!!! marieo1 Aug 2019 #200

Wingnutville will never vote for any Democrat, ever. They traffic in outrageous lies... Hekate Aug 2019 #140

You don't know that... I've seen people in their 20s do that with sleep deprivation and too busy hlthe2b Aug 2019 #37

I'm 40 and have "moments" Jake Stern Aug 2019 #75

I couldn't remember the model of our 2011 car today LakeArenal Aug 2019 #44

I call them honey!:) True Blue American Aug 2019 #154

There is so much data today treestar Aug 2019 #162

I have never been able True Blue American Aug 2019 #151

Experience works for me! True Blue American Aug 2019 #152

hell my hubby is 66 and a hospital pharmacist and hes called in the middle of the night to.. samnsara Aug 2019 #170

Be careful of the primary bubble DIVINEprividence Aug 2019 #225

No one gets to decide who is old and what is a gaffe. NYMinute Aug 2019 #3

Other candidates have been polled beating Trump Maggiemayhem Aug 2019 #191

Not outside the MOE NYMinute Aug 2019 #206

I sure do get to decide who is old and what a gaffe is. And that ain't all... trof Aug 2019 #260

You should reconsider... jberryhill Aug 2019 #4

Oy veh.... sans text sprinkleeninow Aug 2019 #91

LOL sans text proActivist Aug 2019 #101

Spoken like a true patent lawyer. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #207

Do you plan to come check for a label, or what? trof Aug 2019 #263

I'm bringing the crew... jberryhill Aug 2019 #291

I'll vote for Biden's detached big toe if that's what's on the ballot against Trump. Vinca Aug 2019 #5

Left or right? jberryhill Aug 2019 #6

Either big toe works for me. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #8

We need this question everything Aug 2019 #10

You want a toe? tonedevil Aug 2019 #65

++Thanks I need a smile lunasun Aug 2019 #100

You can't bring up detached toes... tonedevil Aug 2019 #106

Without expressing a bias Newest Reality Aug 2019 #87

With few exceptions, each and every Democratic candidate we have now would do their utmost... Hekate Aug 2019 #141

You make good points, but I honestly feel our democracy is in peril and beating Trump - for me - is Vinca Aug 2019 #172

Our democracy is obviously in peril, from Trump AND his Republican enablers. But, TryLogic Aug 2019 #217

me too!!!!! samnsara Aug 2019 #171

It is not your decison to make...and it looks like Biden will be the nominee...I doubt any of the Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #7

Maybe the OP had a view he wanted to express? cwydro Aug 2019 #32

Hear, hear.... I was taken to the woodshed a couple of months ago secondwind Aug 2019 #83

Lol, how DARE you! cwydro Aug 2019 #271

+1 True Dough Aug 2019 #117

Thank you. You understand what DU is for. trof Aug 2019 #266

"I really don't understand why you would even post this.." pangaia Aug 2019 #48

Thank You ChubbyStar Aug 2019 #147

Really...the idea that Biden is not mentally competent is a rightwing talking point...I object to Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #231

Of course you have a right to your opinion ChubbyStar Aug 2019 #274

voicing right wing propaganda is not good idea period...even if it is your opinion. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #288

Let me quote you from a post upthread ChubbyStar Aug 2019 #290

Biden is the front runner and likely nominee...this is a right wing meme...heard it on the radio Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #230

So is it alright.... cannabis_flower Aug 2019 #234

"looks like Biden will be the nominee" jcgoldie Aug 2019 #131

It IS his decision and the rest of us voters to make. zackymilly Aug 2019 #180

gotta agree Larrybanal Aug 2019 #9

Biden's decline? Control-Z Aug 2019 #57

Are you serious? Mr.Bill Aug 2019 #69

again, the person or their parents treestar Aug 2019 #165

Taking gratuitous swipes at Obama? You sure you're in the right place? Tarheel_Dem Aug 2019 #174

If ya ain't got SCVDem Aug 2019 #11

Thank you for sharing your personal insights. bluewater Aug 2019 #12

All three of the current leaders are in their 70s but Biden has by far the best policy proposals riverine Aug 2019 #13

The risk for Alzheimers, for example, doubles every 5 years from the age of 65. pnwmom Aug 2019 #23

I would like to see him make a deal with Amy Klobuchar - she is VP and immediately becomes riverine Aug 2019 #25

No way Joe will be a lame duck president on Inauguration Day. LakeArenal Aug 2019 #47

I'd rather see Warren on the ticket. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #50

She's way too centrist dflprincess Aug 2019 #81

Interesting take on it. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #84

Yes she is dflprincess Aug 2019 #95

Hurray for the bean poll. (: TryLogic Aug 2019 #220

We need a progressive Turin_C3PO Aug 2019 #252

Biden's status quo policies will give us another Republican in the WH in 2024. Ace Rothstein Aug 2019 #204

Scary prediction. TryLogic Aug 2019 #221

Wait... OilemFirchen Aug 2019 #15

:) I still feel like I'm at least 4 inches taller than I really am, Hortensis Aug 2019 #22

LOL!!! pangaia Aug 2019 #53

Well,yeah! True Blue American Aug 2019 #155

+1000 emmaverybo Aug 2019 #79

+1 it is very common treestar Aug 2019 #163

:) Yes. I have memory problems. Nancy Pelosi is famous for Hortensis Aug 2019 #179

His age does concern me. TheCowsCameHome Aug 2019 #17

There are more important things to worry about Gothmog Aug 2019 #134

Perspective there! True Blue American Aug 2019 #156

Joe Biden was interviewed for 90 minutes by the press yesterday Gothmog Aug 2019 #193

I agree with every word. True Blue American Aug 2019 #196

I worry about losing Warren's senate seat Gothmog Aug 2019 #197

The primary electorate will determine if it's too late. BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #18

Indeed! bluewater Aug 2019 #27

Fanatism will get us nowhere Perseus Aug 2019 #24

Do we need his A game treestar Aug 2019 #205

Yes, we need his "A" game, anything less will give ammunition to the repubs Perseus Aug 2019 #241

To repair the Damage treestar Aug 2019 #257

I'll take wisdom and experience over youth, any day of the week bucolic_frolic Aug 2019 #28

Personally, I rather be in my fifties again. HeartlandProgressive Aug 2019 #34

Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #38

Sad for you. I find it true for myself. I think it has a lot to do redstateblues Aug 2019 #60

Elite athletes who also play and read music perform better at sports than elite athletes who do not. Princetonian Aug 2019 #115

Not true in your case, maybe. But try not to project your limitations onto everyone else. LanternWaste Aug 2019 #185

Age and wisdom snowballs? (I'm 75) TryLogic Aug 2019 #222

I wish he and Sanders MFM008 Aug 2019 #29

I like Biden, and he was my fave at first. cwydro Aug 2019 #30

So I guess Ruth Ginsberg should retire immediately. Shes in her mid 80s! oldsoftie Aug 2019 #31

YES Skittles Aug 2019 #67

WEll Obama is retired, shes older NOW, so she should retire? oldsoftie Aug 2019 #92

again, Ginsberg should have retired long ago Skittles Aug 2019 #119

Not really. Biden has been known for gaffes for years, has nothing to do with age. oldsoftie Aug 2019 #159

I'd vote for a ham sandwich if they ran it against Donald Fucking Trump Skittles Aug 2019 #245

that's not due to age but political treestar Aug 2019 #164

She was appointed at 60. Would you appoint an 86 year old to the Supreme Court? Autumn Aug 2019 #192

Well, you have one vote in your state's primary. MineralMan Aug 2019 #33

C'mon man. I'm in Alabama. trof Aug 2019 #269

Your state has a Democratic primary and sends delegates MineralMan Aug 2019 #295

the capabilities of the human brain begin to decline at average age of 56. Exceptions of course Kurt V. Aug 2019 #35

Actually, decision making can improve. emmaverybo Aug 2019 #82

Bookmarked for REBUTTING AGEIST ATTACKS Princetonian Aug 2019 #135

"average" treestar Aug 2019 #166

No attacks from me. guillaumeb Aug 2019 #36

What does lifting True Blue American Aug 2019 #157

We often experience physical and mental decline. guillaumeb Aug 2019 #232

We'll have to agree to disagree Sugarcoated Aug 2019 #39

At 73 I agree with you. wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #40

I am way younger, but what I will say is at 20, I never could look like the super models of the time hlthe2b Aug 2019 #45

My primary is in March. I'll see how he's doing then, and if he is still Hoyt Aug 2019 #41

Commit to one term and surround yourself with competent people. Freethinker65 Aug 2019 #42

Tell that to Jimmy Carter. George II Aug 2019 #43

Jimmy was only 52 at his inauguration. n/m El Supremo Aug 2019 #59

He is still sharp enough to be President at 90 redstateblues Aug 2019 #137

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. FloridaBlues Aug 2019 #46

Sorry you feel that way, sir. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, though. LincolnRossiter Aug 2019 #49

Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #51

Have to agree. Those who don't see it, won't see it. nt Ferrets are Cool Aug 2019 #54

And you support a 70 year old? n/m El Supremo Aug 2019 #58

It's not about age. It's about the gaffs Ferrets are Cool Aug 2019 #86

Warren made a big mistake until 1996 that Joe was too smart to make. Princetonian Aug 2019 #98

Touche True Blue American Aug 2019 #158

No, love you, but no. Unless everything changes, no. nt Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2019 #55

I agree. El Supremo Aug 2019 #56

Why single out Joe? Bernie is older while Liz is a little younger. All are septuagenarians. Princetonian Aug 2019 #61

And so is Trump. Mr.Bill Aug 2019 #70

lol... exactly! Princetonian Aug 2019 #78

Joe would be 82 at the end of his first term. Martin Eden Aug 2019 #62

Thanks for letting us know. Mr.Bill Aug 2019 #72

I agree. jalan48 Aug 2019 #63

His age and experience Mr.Bill Aug 2019 #64

Good idea, Mr. Bill. Princetonian Aug 2019 #68

I hear you, trof Skittles Aug 2019 #66

ENOUGH of what? A kind, decent man with the highest levels of legislative and executive experience? Princetonian Aug 2019 #88

someone who is past his prime Skittles Aug 2019 #118

What does that even mean? Princetonian Aug 2019 #120

LOL Skittles Aug 2019 #121

Yeah and so is Beto who needs more of what VP Joe has: gravitas. Princetonian Aug 2019 #122

I think I poked a hornets' nest. trof Aug 2019 #268

I'm several years younger than Biden, and I'm very aware that people age at very different rates. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #71

Our big problem with the candidates we have customerserviceguy Aug 2019 #74

It is the responsibility for we older Dems (I'm 81) to step aside BarbD Aug 2019 #77

Step aside for whom? Princetonian Aug 2019 #80

We have a multitude of qualified choices. BarbD Aug 2019 #89

Such as? Princetonian Aug 2019 #96

Warren, Harris, Klobucher BarbD Aug 2019 #99

Not as qualified as Biden. And Warren is 70, so if age is disqualifying, she should also step aside. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #103

Warren is 70. She should move aside, right? Plus she has very little support from black voters. Princetonian Aug 2019 #104

Warren has one term as Senator treestar Aug 2019 #262

the top of Biden's game is way better treestar Aug 2019 #261

None of the other candidates can win...a good VP selection is the solution ...not losing to Trump in Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #233

If we get out the vote, we will win. Turin_C3PO Aug 2019 #255

We won't win by getting out the vote...we won the house with moderate voters... Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #289

Looks like not everyone agrees with that treestar Aug 2019 #259

Of the three oldies he seems to have the least vigor When he was VP in the beginning he seemed in lunasun Aug 2019 #85

Great. You have an opinion. Awesome. Loki Liesmith Aug 2019 #90

Discussion forums aren't worth much True Dough Aug 2019 #123

Sorry, but going to call it like I see it and that is we need an old white man to beat an old white iluvtennis Aug 2019 #93

First, I don't think Biden is in mental decline. But even if he was... TrollBuster9090 Aug 2019 #94

👍👍 Duppers Aug 2019 #97

I see no decline evident in his recent Op-Ed on the relationship between years of failed policy in emmaverybo Aug 2019 #144

Biden gets slagged for the kinds of minor slips of the tongue The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2019 #208

I must agree with you. Joe's great and all but dang I would love to see amuse bouche Aug 2019 #102

Look how much 8 years aged Obama, and he wasn't forgetful like Joe. We need a full 8 years, not 4. Autumn Aug 2019 #105

Senator Obama said he visited all 57 states. President Obama got gray hair, so what? Princetonian Aug 2019 #107

In your eyes Biden's a silver fox. Obama's gaffes were very few and far in between. nt Autumn Aug 2019 #109

I have good eyes. I am almost half his age but I find him really fit, fun and charming. Princetonian Aug 2019 #111

Yes, the "57 states" thing gets trotted out daily True Dough Aug 2019 #124

But also true and not nearly as repetitious as the gratitious ageist bigotry aimed daily at VP Joe. Princetonian Aug 2019 #125

And it's stupid, there is no comparison. None. Autumn Aug 2019 #176

Like alleging "so many gaffes. How concerning..." LanternWaste Aug 2019 #188

What is the specific number of gaffes of each? LanternWaste Aug 2019 #186

If you really want to know the specific number of gaffes of each I suggest you try google. Autumn Aug 2019 #190

the presidency does not age them treestar Aug 2019 #167

What are you going to do... SayItLoud Aug 2019 #108

We are not all the same... 7horses Aug 2019 #110

RBG...nt Mars and Minerva Aug 2019 #113

big difference between mopinko Aug 2019 #148

He's six years older than your candidate. Maybe you think that Warren is too old. Mars and Minerva Aug 2019 #281

How many women do you figure the GOP has in waiting that are willing to say Imperialism Inc. Aug 2019 #114

How many black voters do you think will turn out for Warren in a GE relative to Barack's brother? Princetonian Aug 2019 #116

Barack's brother? Tipperary Aug 2019 #145

Yes, that's right. Princetonian Aug 2019 #187

Obama's brother is running? n/t zackymilly Aug 2019 #182

Yes, his name is Joe. Princetonian Aug 2019 #189

Wonder if I call Bill Gates 'Daddy' it will make is so. n/t zackymilly Aug 2019 #198

Stay classy, zackymilly. Princetonian Aug 2019 #239

lol he'd be running against the Great Pussy Grabber treestar Aug 2019 #168

+1 myohmy2 Aug 2019 #126

Some Sugarcoated Aug 2019 #128

Um, Bernie is the oldest candidate in the field. Princetonian Aug 2019 #129

I take your point - but everyone is different. dchill Aug 2019 #127

I spent an afternoon with Freeman Dyson in his late 80's. It was one of the most... NNadir Aug 2019 #130

No flaming here, trof True Dough Aug 2019 #132

What about trump's gaffes? Gothmog Aug 2019 #133

Some gaffes/misstatements are different than others.. notKeith Aug 2019 #223

"What about Trump's gaffes?" does not convince me of anything. TryLogic Aug 2019 #226

And they worry about Biden's verbal gaffes? The president is a category 5 disaster Gothmog Sep 2019 #296

Ageism. Plain and simple. Joe941 Aug 2019 #136

Heart not in it pattyloutwo Aug 2019 #138

It's his heart, and his ability to connect emotionally with people that we supporters have been emmaverybo Aug 2019 #146

That's really my only concern with regard to Biden, ecstatic Aug 2019 #139

CNN: Watch Bernie Sanders' punch backfire (Does Not Fit The Narrative) TomCADem Aug 2019 #142

I'm not voting for someone who can punch a bag or do more push-ups than Trump. n/t zackymilly Aug 2019 #183

Why would anybody care what an old guy thinks anyway....ain't that right? nt UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #143

Huge declines in rate of age-related dementia delisen Aug 2019 #160

but you WILL vote for him if hes the Dem nom...riiiiight??? samnsara Aug 2019 #169

Old, White, Male. I do not want a candidate that hits all 3. Tarc Aug 2019 #173

My First Concern is Policy, Which is What Really Matters DrFunkenstein Aug 2019 #177

I agree (mostly) with your lead: TryLogic Aug 2019 #227

Agreed. DrFunkenstein Aug 2019 #280

You're a brave man, trof lillypaddle Aug 2019 #175

Ha! Guess I didn't realize what I was getting into. trof Aug 2019 #275

Just don't say anything bad about BS lillypaddle Aug 2019 #284

The most important thing about this election is to win. Period. ooky Aug 2019 #178

Agree Totally colsohlibgal Aug 2019 #181

No need to project your own devolvement onto everyone of the same age. LanternWaste Aug 2019 #184

"People don't care about the gaffes. Because when you look at what we currently have in Joe Biden. Gothmog Aug 2019 #194

You're absolutely right! tberry65 Aug 2019 #195

Energizing non-voters and independents is what the Party most needs Ponietz Aug 2019 #199

I agree without the Nomex undies at 72. saidsimplesimon Aug 2019 #201

You are right, Biden is too old extvbroadcaster Aug 2019 #202

My Dad is 87, and due to lifetime of eating right and exercise, can probably kick the butts of most Sloumeau Aug 2019 #203

What is amusing is the OP choose to single out Biden, not the other leading candidate who is older still_one Aug 2019 #209

I'm guessing a big bulk of the likes are also from Bernie & Warren supporters... Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #210

No doubt about it, and it is divisionary and insulting. still_one Aug 2019 #213

You're right. See my reply 240. I decided to check, got too bored after checking the first 52 highplainsdem Aug 2019 #242

I love Joe, but duforsure Aug 2019 #211

LOL. Another I love Joe but.......................... Post. "some of my best friends are......... still_one Aug 2019 #214

Bottom line is that Joe needs to get his misspeaking under control. Turin_C3PO Aug 2019 #256

He is an expert on a lot of things treestar Aug 2019 #218

It is the individual, not their age that matters HeartlandProgressive Aug 2019 #215

Can you predict how advanced age will affect someone in a very stressful job 5 years from now? Martin Eden Aug 2019 #228

Biden with full blown dementia for 8 years is better than another day of Trump Always Randy Aug 2019 #216

When my front and back porches are on fire I'm not sure a 77 year old firefighter would Autumn Aug 2019 #235

Biden has to earn it DIVINEprividence Aug 2019 #224

I agree. citizen blues Aug 2019 #229

K&R Auggie Aug 2019 #236

So RBG should retire for sure, then. Because allegers are like you. nolabear Aug 2019 #237

trof, if you were having any second thoughts based on responses to this thread True Dough Aug 2019 #238

I wasn't, but thanks. WOW. trof Aug 2019 #267

Yes, sir True Dough Aug 2019 #286

Hilarious, or hypocritical? Nearly half the DUers reccing this thread support 70-year-old Warren. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #240

Warren is 6 years younger, that means she is 8% younger. That's a lot. bluewater Aug 2019 #243

No, it isn't. Not enough of a difference if you're truly concerned about age. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #244

8% is a HUGE age difference. bluewater Aug 2019 #246

No, it isn't. But I'm sure you'll find other Warren supporters who'll agree with you that 76 is too highplainsdem Aug 2019 #247

Look at Biden's performance today. bluewater Aug 2019 #251

See that New Yorker article I gave you the link for. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #254

So, any explanation why Biden was so confused today? bluewater Aug 2019 #258

Again, see the article. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #264

He's not confused about the big picture treestar Aug 2019 #265

I LOVE JOE, BUT TROF IS RIGHT!! blakstoneranger Aug 2019 #248

So you think both HRC and Pelosi are too old? I guess that leaves Warren out, too, since she's just highplainsdem Aug 2019 #249

I see Buttigieg is the candidate of the hour. MBS Sep 2019 #300

He'll never be as polished as Buttigieg or Obama that's for sure. Aaron Pereira Aug 2019 #250

Ah bullpucky. Joe Biden got heart, experience, and flamingdem Aug 2019 #253

if all Biden did for a week after his election was put his arms around us and tell us everything.. samnsara Aug 2019 #278

Feels like I pulled the pin on a grenade and just rolled it in here. trof Aug 2019 #270

Yeah and it's nothing like it was in previous primary seasons. Turin_C3PO Aug 2019 #272

Your OP slammed the front-runner. Did you expect your post to be ignored? highplainsdem Aug 2019 #279

"Slammed"? Really? No, I didn't 'slam' him. trof Aug 2019 #282

You don't have to include childish insults to slam someone. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #283

We need experience to handle all the crap that comes with this presidency, thanks to Trump. colorado_ufo Aug 2019 #273

biden knows where all the bodies are hidden.... samnsara Aug 2019 #276

I trust Biden and his values and morals completely. EveHammond13 Aug 2019 #277

Why does the media and everyone else get on doc03 Aug 2019 #285

But You Will Vote For Him If He's The Nominee ... Maine-i-acs Aug 2019 #287

I will vote for whoever has 'D' after their name. trof Sep 2019 #298

bless you Trof Maine-i-acs Sep 2019 #303

I promise you if I'm elected president, unions will have no stronger champion in the White House. Gothmog Sep 2019 #297

Kick. cwydro Sep 2019 #301

The voters get to decide nini Sep 2019 #302