Democratic Primaries

Vegas Roller

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17. This is a pure, unadulterated hit job over nothing

Reply to wellst0nev0ter (Original post)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 09:51 PM

Aug 2019

Trying to create an issue out of whole cloth ... as probably instructed by David Sirota and his media buddies.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Biden: "We're familiar with stories of welfare moms driving luxury cars" [View all] wellst0nev0ter Aug 2019 OP

Er, what's your point? Did you read what you posted? stopbush Aug 2019 #1

Well, at least he acknowledges the stereotype might not be true. Hoyt Aug 2019 #2

Let the BASHING begin! Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #3

Indeed, and for those that bothered to open the link.. the photo shopped pix is suppose to lend Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #95

Did you read the article? The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2019 #4

More from the link: JoeOtterbein Aug 2019 #5

This is an obfuscation of an obfuscation. marybourg Aug 2019 #8

Right. It's an interpretation (a wrong one at that) in 2019 that was written in 1988. George II Aug 2019 #24

+1000 Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #96

Also in that article Otto Lidenbrock Aug 2019 #6

I suspect many others (besides myself) are starting to tune out all these attempts to "get" Joe riverine Aug 2019 #7

A lot of these reporters hitting on Joe were too young (maybe not even born) Otto Lidenbrock Aug 2019 #11

Those things stunk then and they stink now wellst0nev0ter Aug 2019 #21

Agree. I'm still a possible Biden voter in March, but opposition to racism and racial stereotypes Hoyt Aug 2019 #25

The DU frontrunner was a Republican until 1996! Otto Lidenbrock Aug 2019 #27

no, Warren didn't support Reagan/Reaganomics and she was only a registered Repug from 1991-1996 Celerity Sep 2019 #200

Then Senator Warren is disqualified because she was an actual Republican - Biden merely quoted them riverine Aug 2019 #29

Thank you! BlueMTexpat Aug 2019 #61

+1000 Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #79

+1, uponit7771 Sep 2019 #192

This .. whistling past the graveyard of negative hit pieces Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #78

Oh shit, here we go. BTW, this quote of Biden's is right out of the article: George II Aug 2019 #9

The MOST relevant paragraphs at the link: highplainsdem Aug 2019 #10

Look at what you are praising him for: wellst0nev0ter Aug 2019 #13

He didn't write the bill. I quoted that paragraph because of the one following it, about Democrats, highplainsdem Aug 2019 #18

He supported it. He was wrong. wellst0nev0ter Aug 2019 #20

Only one senator voted against that 1988 bill. So you're condemning a lot of Democrats. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #31

The bill was passed by a 96-1 vote in the Senate and 347-53 in the House. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #35

And look where we are today. wellst0nev0ter Aug 2019 #43

Your point.... please, other than bashing Biden and now other dems? Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #80

I can't say that Dems lost their way wellst0nev0ter Aug 2019 #83

You blame BIDEN and all those other liberal democrats for where we are today?! emmaverybo Aug 2019 #106

They controlled congress, and passed this piece of garbage wellst0nev0ter Aug 2019 #107

Rather sweeping that "where we are today." Better to stick to the harm you think done by the emmaverybo Aug 2019 #109

I was on a welfare program back in the 80s and had to be working or in school. AJT Aug 2019 #38

Hi five to you Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #55

Kudos to you! You took a really lousy situation and made it better for yourself and family Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #81

Wonder if any of that is possible today wellst0nev0ter Aug 2019 #136

This is the most relevant part Tribalceltic Aug 2019 #12

Yeah, it was a youthful indiscretion wellst0nev0ter Aug 2019 #15

Your negativity isn't going to change the minds of voters. Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #65

Got anything positive to add to the conversation? Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #82

Not here to entertain you or to give you a rise wellst0nev0ter Aug 2019 #84

Not looking for entertainment... there's the glass half full or half empty Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #91

I was raising my young family at the time. Hardly ancient history bigtree Aug 2019 #23

Justice Kavanaugh agrees! Nt kelly1mm Aug 2019 #159

I have lost all sense of nostalgia for old memes and battles. gordianot Aug 2019 #14

Not good melman Aug 2019 #16

This is a pure, unadulterated hit job over nothing Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #17

You might want to read the article. TwilightZone Aug 2019 #19

'How we ended welfare, together' - Bill Clinton crazytown Aug 2019 #22

Clinton was wrong on this, too bigtree Aug 2019 #28

The GOP will compromise when it comes to poor. crazytown Aug 2019 #32

Everyone has 20/20 hindsight. At the time Biden was working with PatrickforO Aug 2019 #26

+1 betsuni Aug 2019 #89

"Whether they are exaggerated or not, these stories underlie a broad social concern" melman Aug 2019 #30

What's bullshit is your saying he said the stories have legitimacy. He said the stories showed highplainsdem Aug 2019 #33

Are we talking about the 1988 Bill, here? crazytown Aug 2019 #34

Yes. The article cited in the OP mentions both that and the 1996 bill. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #37

OK. Context is important. crazytown Aug 2019 #42

That was the so-called Reagan "tax cut". But although it cut tax rates, it also greatly increased... George II Aug 2019 #164

Who knows, looks like one of those drive by shots at anyone but __ that we've become accustomed to. George II Aug 2019 #45

"Welfare policy should be based on a simple premise" crazytown Aug 2019 #51

"Whether they are exaggerated or not, these stories underlie a broad social concern" melman Aug 2019 #44

You already said that in post #30. George II Aug 2019 #47

Your point? melman Aug 2019 #48

.... George II Aug 2019 #53

So you didn't have one melman Aug 2019 #54

I see at least two points there Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #60

No melman Aug 2019 #62

I figured Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #64

You got it! George II Aug 2019 #73

No, it isn't. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #57

Yeah it is melman Aug 2019 #58

"So he's saying they have legitimacy..." No he didn't say that, not at all, not even close! George II Aug 2019 #39

Epic fail at trying to bring Biden down over nothing - once again Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #63

"whilst" melman Aug 2019 #68

I don't care who said it.. it's a wise saying and fits here Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #105

Whilst - explained Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #111

"Typically, Brits use whilst and Americans use while" melman Aug 2019 #116

"Typically" is the key word Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #119

Is it? melman Aug 2019 #120

In the aforementioned sentence, it is. Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #121

Is it? melman Aug 2019 #123

Asked and answered. Next question. nt Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #124

Okay melman Aug 2019 #125

That sentence needs a verb. nt Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #126

That's four words melman Aug 2019 #127

None -- it is not a complete sentence. nt Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #128

So there are no key words? melman Aug 2019 #129

Correct. Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #131

Fantastic. Just one more question.. melman Aug 2019 #132

In which sentence? nt Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #135

Just trying to find out what the key word is melman Aug 2019 #137

It doesn't bother me Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #140

"shall" melman Aug 2019 #141

I am glad it interests you Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #142

"Nexxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxtttttt ..." melman Aug 2019 #143

Wrong Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #148

OMG! This sub-thread! sheshe2 Aug 2019 #156

Bazinga! George II Aug 2019 #170

TaDa! sheshe2 Aug 2019 #176

Mahalo, she. George II Aug 2019 #177

Mahalo, George. sheshe2 Aug 2019 #178

Yep. Welcome to the Merry-Go-Round. Hope you get the brass ring! George II Aug 2019 #162

No melman Aug 2019 #179

As in: George II Aug 2019 #182

lmao Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #186

On the other hand: George II Aug 2019 #188

bwahahahahahahahahahaha nt Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #190

HA! betsuni Sep 2019 #195

This message was self-deleted by its author melman Aug 2019 #122

No, the keyword is five. Autumn Sep 2019 #199

Why is the use of "whilst" interesting? Not all DUers live in the U.S. betsuni Aug 2019 #112

Why is anything interesting? melman Aug 2019 #117

Why? sheshe2 Aug 2019 #174

I'm interested in knowing why anyone thinks the Democratic Party is "ideologically bankrupt." betsuni Sep 2019 #198

I've been accused of that from some. George II Aug 2019 #168

Strongly supporting the Democratic Party on a forum for Democrats but saying "whilst" and "shall" betsuni Aug 2019 #175

Actually, "shall" is also American Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #180

I lived in Boston for years melman Aug 2019 #181

It is common usage amongst the educated class. nt Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #183

Bazinga!!!! sheshe2 Aug 2019 #187

You find these things suspicious? melman Aug 2019 #184

If Vegas never gave an actual quote, how can you say Einstein never said it? Never said what? George II Aug 2019 #161

Because I've seen that "quote" referenced a billion times melman Aug 2019 #163

What quote? Again, he never posted a quote so how do you know what quote he was talking about? George II Aug 2019 #165

He who? melman Aug 2019 #166

I'm a Democrat, don't you mean: George II Aug 2019 #167

Hee Haw has two 'e's melman Aug 2019 #169

He Haw has only one. George II Aug 2019 #171

One what? melman Aug 2019 #172

Not "What", "He Haw". George II Aug 2019 #173

What quote? sheshe2 Aug 2019 #189

I find it disturbing zentrum Aug 2019 #36

He was referencing the term that right wingers were using in 1988.... George II Aug 2019 #41

Yeah, I know. zentrum Aug 2019 #56

This is 2019. I'm concerned with Biden's positions now. I like them all. George II Aug 2019 #72

+1000 Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #98

+1, uponit7771 Sep 2019 #193

+1 betsuni Sep 2019 #197

we don't play these games with people's lives anymore, at least Dems don't bigtree Aug 2019 #40

I read the entire editorial. Where was race, color or ethnicity mentioned even once? MadDAsHell Aug 2019 #46

You need to do a lot of heavy lifting wellst0nev0ter Aug 2019 #49

The majority of welfare recipients are white. Are you saying it's racist against whites? nt MadDAsHell Aug 2019 #50

Even today most people assume minorities get the most welfare wellst0nev0ter Aug 2019 #69

Linda Taylor, a mixed-race black woman from Chicago, is the origin, its a straight racist trope Celerity Aug 2019 #113

Interestingly enough, the census listed her as "white" wellst0nev0ter Aug 2019 #138

She was not white, she was a mixed race A-A Celerity Aug 2019 #146

Jim Crow laws considered her to be white wellst0nev0ter Aug 2019 #149

you are wrong, she was part black, and was portrayed a black in the media, thus the birth of the Celerity Aug 2019 #150

Her heritage was inconclusive, as your links say wellst0nev0ter Aug 2019 #154

my links did NOT say that at all, and she was only listed as white early on, due to illegality of Celerity Aug 2019 #155

No kidding melman Aug 2019 #59

They do wellst0nev0ter Aug 2019 #70

We either have a lot of young folks here who don't know how "welfare queen" Hoyt Aug 2019 #67

I don't buy that these certain young people are ignorant wellst0nev0ter Aug 2019 #74

Not at all, Biden has been consistent on racial issues, more so than the other "older" candidates. George II Aug 2019 #85

And is that why Jim Clyburn and John Lewis have come out with statements to the contrary? Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #101

Hillary had high black support too wellst0nev0ter Aug 2019 #108

Did you open the first link about AA voters in PA? As this was the whole point of the article Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #144

Precisely - it's yet another opportunity to make shit up about something someone said 31 years ago. George II Aug 2019 #52

Are you feigning ignorance wellst0nev0ter Aug 2019 #75

You're acting like Biden used the "welfare queen" stereotype, which he didn't. George II Aug 2019 #86

He brought it up, gave it oxygen wellst0nev0ter Aug 2019 #87

Yes, he "brought it up" thirty one years ago. NO, he didn't "give it oxygen", he explained... George II Aug 2019 #90

This! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #92

I'm dumbfounded about some of the things people drag out of the past, and then attribute.... George II Aug 2019 #93

The goal: convince us that Democrats are the REAL racists, don't vote for them. betsuni Aug 2019 #100

This!! Or someone isn't feeling too good about their poll numbers! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #102

+2 ... he didn't even say 'Welfare Queen' but certain posters seems obsessed with suggesting mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #99

Sam Stein wrote this NYMinute Aug 2019 #66

The constant bashing of Biden will not help bernie Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #77

And they are just that: stories. Which Biden acknowledges. n/t Beartracks Aug 2019 #71

Useful stories wellst0nev0ter Aug 2019 #76

Keep trying - the bottom line is that despite your desperate attempt to bash Biden.... George II Aug 2019 #94

One would think the message would get out... but then again Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #104

And.. in the real news Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #88

shameful... myohmy2 Aug 2019 #97

You might want to take a look at this...or not Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #103

My calendar says it's August 31, 2019. betsuni Aug 2019 #110

And nothing in the past matters at all melman Aug 2019 #118

We always look forward, not backwards! wellst0nev0ter Aug 2019 #130

... betsuni Aug 2019 #157

. melman Aug 2019 #158

... betsuni Aug 2019 #160

+1, uponit7771 Sep 2019 #194

AAs are fully aware that Biden supported welfare reform and we support him. Period. Next... Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #114

That's not the issue wellst0nev0ter Aug 2019 #134

Black voters in PA who admit they didn't vote in 2016 now say they will support Mr. Biden Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #145

This in concerning. Joe941 Aug 2019 #115

Bernie Sanders voted against the 1996 welfare cuts Eric J in MN Aug 2019 #133

This is disqualifying Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #139

But since he'll probably be the nominee you'll still vote for him Loki Liesmith Aug 2019 #152

"Gotta purge folks..." LanternWaste Sep 2019 #203

You forgot the sarcasm tag uponit7771 Sep 2019 #196

Racialized narratives in politics loyalsister Aug 2019 #147

Lol one of these days they'll land a punch Loki Liesmith Aug 2019 #151

People with jobs still in need of financial assistance, lacking in healthcare MarcA Aug 2019 #153

So true. We have a housing problem in the U.S. Rent has gone crazy high. YOHABLO Aug 2019 #185

So what did you prove? That Biden heard "stories" that he may not have believed. Blue_true Aug 2019 #191

"adequate controls" loyalsister Sep 2019 #201

Wow, you really spun this way off course. I really don't know what else can be written. nt Blue_true Sep 2019 #202

This is concerning. Joe941 Sep 2019 #204