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TomCADem

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18. Okay, what about Bernie's Absurdly Pro-Russian Record?
Mon Sep 2, 2019, 01:15 AM
Sep 2019

Here is a question: Name the only member of Congress who voted against (1) the Magnitsky Act (2012), which was intended to punish Russian officials responsible for the death of Russian tax accountant Sergei Magnitsky in a Moscow prison in 2009; and (2) voted against sanctioning Russia in 2017 for interfering with US elections? Answer: Bernie Sanders, not Tulsi Gabbard, though I can understand why some folks might think that she is the natural candidate.

To put this into context, Bernie Sanders was 1 of 2 (out of 100) senators to vote against Russia sanctions. And 1 of 4 to vote against the Magnitsky Act. I am sure that some folks will say that this is just a coincidence, but what are the odds?

At minimum, Bernie should have abstained from the vote given that Bernie received the benefit of Russian election interference in 2016:

Indictment: Russians also tried to help Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein presidential campaigns

WASHINGTON – It turns out Donald Trump wasn’t the only candidate the Russians allegedly tried to help during the 2016 presidential campaign.

A 37-page indictment resulting from special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation shows that Russian nationals and businesses also worked to boost the campaigns of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Green party nominee Jill Stein in an effort to damage Democrat Hillary Clinton.

The Russians “engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump,” according to the indictment, which was issued Friday.

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“Specialists were instructed to post content that focused on ‘politics in the USA’ and to ‘use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump – we support them),’” the indictment said.


Finally, Bernie has largely been given a free pass on the above since no one is running attack ads against Bernie noting the above record, let alone Bernie going on a honeymoon to the Soviet Union:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/17/bernie-sanders-mystery-soviet-video-revealed-1330347

Politico: Bernie's mystery Soviet tapes revealed

BURLINGTON, Vt. — It’s 1988 and newlywed Bernie Sanders is in the Soviet Union with his wife, Jane, handing out gifts to the mayor of a midsized city they’ve befriended. The mood is festive as the two bestow the items: A Beatles album, a red “Bernie for Burlington” button, “delicious Vermont candy” and a tape of tunes Sanders recorded himself with fellow artists from Vermont, among other goodies.

“I have met many fine mayors in the United States,” Sanders says, “but I want to say that one of the nicest mayors I've ever met is the mayor of Yaroslavl.”

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The scene is part of 3½ hours of raw, never publicly seen footage of the trip Sanders took to the Soviet Union that year — his “honeymoon.” POLITICO viewed the tapes this week, along with a forgotten hourlong episode of a TV show created by Sanders that featured the same trip, at the offices of a Vermont government access channel.

Earlier this year, two minutes of the long-lost videos went viral when a staffer at Chittenden County’s Channel 17 posted a compilation of the station’s archival footage online. The clip featured a shirtless Sanders and other Americans singing “This Land Is Your Land” to their hosts after relaxing in a sauna. A few minutes later, Sanders doled out the gifts to his Russian friends with a towel wrapped around his waist.


Choosing Bernie Sanders to run against Trump would pretty much neutralize any effort to criticize Trump's efforts to cozy up to Russia.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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I cannot fathom why anyone wouldn't prefer Warren over comradebillyboy Sep 2019 #1
Can you offer any specific examples? FoxNewsSucks Sep 2019 #3
Me too! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #8
Okay, what about Bernie's Absurdly Pro-Russian Record? TomCADem Sep 2019 #18
He is the only Senator to vote against BOTH the Russia Sanctions and Magnitsky Act. George II Sep 2019 #45
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Alex, I Will Take Bernie's Pro-Gun Voting Record for a $100 TomCADem Sep 2019 #15
It's wrong to credit Bernie with all of the liberal policies that are being put forward now. pnwmom Sep 2019 #22
I am guessing here, but could it be that Elizabeth Warren True Blue American Sep 2019 #37
Well, she certainly has gotten more done. Being able to work with people pnwmom Sep 2019 #46
I didn't say he invented them, FoxNewsSucks Sep 2019 #69
At least every 4 years, during the PRIMARIES, Democratic candidates push more liberal issues. pnwmom Sep 2019 #93
"Unlike Bernie, she voted to make gun manufacturers subject to product liability laws." aikoaiko Sep 2019 #108
You're right. Unlike Bernie, she SUPPORTS making gun manufacturers liable. Happy now? pnwmom Sep 2019 #109
I think Bernie has some reservations about this law now, too. aikoaiko Sep 2019 #110
Ridiculous. betsuni Sep 2019 #29
Warren, Harris, and Booker are all rated more progressive than BS. lapucelle Sep 2019 #88
Don't waste your time. Actual voting records have been pointed to before. Blue_true Sep 2019 #105
Amen, brah! Cha Sep 2019 #7
Hi Cha comradebillyboy Sep 2019 #14
Sanders does have some advantages over Warren... thesquanderer Sep 2019 #56
Lol. MrsCoffee Sep 2019 #70
"LOL" is what one posts when one can't dispute the proposition, so thanks. thesquanderer Sep 2019 #77
Or it's what they post when they read something laughable. MrsCoffee Sep 2019 #84
re: "Those two issues/labels will be bashed over two other candidates heads not hers." thesquanderer Sep 2019 #87
Trump is a candidate. I didn't say both were our candidates. MrsCoffee Sep 2019 #102
However he CAN be beaten over the head with "Socialist" brooklynite Sep 2019 #72
Yes, that's what I said. {confused} (n/t) thesquanderer Sep 2019 #73
Sanders has a better chance than Warren as he has ties to the rust belt...particularly Wisconsin Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #74
Biden is the one True Blue American Sep 2019 #89
Ya got me. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2019 #2
Amen to that. True Blue American Sep 2019 #38
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That's kind of a slander Turin_C3PO Sep 2019 #11
+1 Celerity Sep 2019 #27
Thank you! BlueMTexpat Sep 2019 #28
Her bashing of Obama and Clinton over trade did help trump, sorry. Hoyt Sep 2019 #32
I believe "economic patriotism" refers to an economy that benefits all INSIDE the US DemocracyMouse Sep 2019 #61
And Bernie didn't bash them? Clash City Rocker Sep 2019 #62
How did Warren help 'give us Trump'? Seems completely over the top. She campaigned hard for Clinton Celerity Sep 2019 #26
Her bashing of Obama and Clinton on trade was hard to miss. Hoyt Sep 2019 #31
that is ridiculous, you cannot try and and rewrite history to call something bashing when it Celerity Sep 2019 #41
+1. n/t pnwmom Sep 2019 #47
Agree! True Blue American Sep 2019 #39
I was Bernie all the way last time. So far I'm leaning toward Warren. brewens Sep 2019 #6
To be fair, FoxNewsSucks Sep 2019 #9
Biden may not be the best choice but he is our best chance AlexSFCA Sep 2019 #21
+1. Yup, Biden's our "best chance". nt oasis Sep 2019 #49
He lost the primary last time by 4 million votes. How do you think he will win enough pnwmom Sep 2019 #48
This isn't the last election...and he is already winning...as for Warren she can't be the nominee Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #76
Sanders is not "winning". None of the top three has ever polled a majority, pnwmom Sep 2019 #92
Biden will not crash and burn tirebiter Sep 2019 #10
I think he'll keep up his momentum. Turin_C3PO Sep 2019 #12
I absolutely agree. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #78
simple... myohmy2 Sep 2019 #13
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Jumping the shark right here: "Bernie's much better looking ... Elizabeth, not so much" betsuni Sep 2019 #24
I also laid out why True Blue American Sep 2019 #51
What are you talking about? betsuni Sep 2019 #52
What I think of Warren and Sanders plans. True Blue American Sep 2019 #53
I jumped where? betsuni Sep 2019 #55
Better Looking? True Blue American Sep 2019 #40
Is that the criteria we use to choose our nominee and president? George II Sep 2019 #42
They started it! True Blue American Sep 2019 #50
My comment wasn't directed to you, but the person above you..... George II Sep 2019 #65
Thanks for that. True Blue American Sep 2019 #67
Neither do I. A person could have three heads but if he/she uses them all.... George II Sep 2019 #83
bernie got the money added to the aca for community clinics....they serve the poorest of the poor questionseverything Sep 2019 #104
I do not True Blue American Sep 2019 #106
you said he hasnt accomplished anything questionseverything Sep 2019 #107
No, sorry.. you're way wrong. Cha Sep 2019 #99
Bernie & Elizabeth have different world views crazytown Sep 2019 #17
Yes! FM123 Sep 2019 #64
Thank you. crazytown Sep 2019 #68
I see no difference...both will be branded socialist by the pugs...Biden has the best chance Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #79
they shouldn't . JI7 Sep 2019 #19
Right crazytown Sep 2019 #82
The Senate aeromanKC Sep 2019 #20
Not a material factor. grantcart Sep 2019 #25
BULLSHIT!! Warren losses the Dems a Senate seat in 2020 if she wins aeromanKC Sep 2019 #33
Once that Kennedy runs True Blue American Sep 2019 #43
For only a few months months. Look at Massachusetts law. Celerity Sep 2019 #44
There is a GOP governor...and the person appointed by this governor could win a special...just Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #80
Anyone who feels that the Democratic brand is insufficient should vote for Sanders grantcart Sep 2019 #23
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Talking points: betsuni Sep 2019 #35
In the general I will vote for the nominee Sherman A1 Sep 2019 #36
vote blue yes... Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #81
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I could become convinced that he would more likely win the Presidency than Warren Tom Rinaldo Sep 2019 #71
One reason is that Bernie showed a lot of courage in 2016. aikoaiko Sep 2019 #75
She strongly supported the former Secretary of State. That wasn't ducking out. n/t pnwmom Sep 2019 #94
Actually she stayed neutral until June 9th. aikoaiko Sep 2019 #95
Uh-huh. But Bernie was still running then. pnwmom Sep 2019 #96
Sure but she did wait until Obama. aikoaiko Sep 2019 #97
That wasn't the end. Bernie continued to campaign for a month after Elizabeth pnwmom Sep 2019 #98
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