Democratic Primaries

SteveDallas

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22. Don't see how that logically follows.

Tue Sep 3, 2019, 01:21 AM

Sep 2019

The ONLY thing that loses to Trump is low voter turnout. That's just a fact. Look at 2016 as evidence. Clinton was up by 8 points in Wisconsin going into election day, but they had record low turnout in democratic areas and the state is lost.

Biden has a major enthusiasm gap. We've done this before. We did it in 2004 and lost. We did it in 2016 and lost. Do you really need it to happen 3 times to figure out that people aren't going to stand in line just to vote AGAINST someone? They want something to vote FOR and there is nothing in Joe Biden's history to vote for.

Sorry, but reality is you go with ANOTHER Iraq War voter you are going to lose another close election due to low voter turnout among democrats in key states.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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It's looking like Elizabeth Warren is the 2020 Democratic candidate to beat [View all] Quixote1818 Sep 2019 OP

Monmouth poll? Green Line Sep 2019 #1

... OilemFirchen Sep 2019 #3

wishful thinking as well nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #49

Hope so! zentrum Sep 2019 #2

The Monmouth poll shouldn't be used as a basis for conclusions. TwilightZone Sep 2019 #4

Biden DownriverDem Sep 2019 #5

Agree Green Line Sep 2019 #6

You Mean The Former Republican Okie? DrFunkenstein Sep 2019 #86

I think Biden is the only one that can win the doc03 Sep 2019 #7

She is NOT a far left candidate Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #35

She is most definitely far left calguy Sep 2019 #59

Just saw a poll on Hardball showing Warren tied with Trump in WI redstateblues Sep 2019 #95

Yes becaus a poll 14 months from the election is written in stone Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #99

It's possible that you're correct about the possibility of Biden being the only one who can win, mapol Sep 2019 #118

It's about turnout! SteveDallas Sep 2019 #8

Those are your opinions and you certainly entitled to them Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #10

I didn't realize he was doing that poorly with the AA vote. SteveDallas Sep 2019 #17

Oh please Green Line Sep 2019 #19

Don't see how that logically follows. SteveDallas Sep 2019 #22

No he does not have an ethusiasm gap.. that's just in your opinion Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #30

It also shows up in the polls. SteveDallas Sep 2019 #38

As a standard, or merely an aberration? LanternWaste Sep 2019 #44

a standard. SteveDallas Sep 2019 #53

You Could Also Do a Head Count at His Rallies - You Want People To Spend Hours Caucusing in Winter? DrFunkenstein Sep 2019 #87

RCP average of all the polls today shows Biden with a 13.5% lead up 2 more pts Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #51

Yes, it is a very VERY weak lead given his name recognition. nt SteveDallas Sep 2019 #58

No it isn't a weak lead... it's a commanding lead ...see links below Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #63

Yes, very weak lead. SteveDallas Sep 2019 #66

Thank you for introducing some objectivity. emmaverybo Sep 2019 #81

Not if everybody supports her. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2019 #32

A 51% percent poll number with AA voters is enviable.....historically 50% + poll is what's shown Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #36

Good point about PA. emmaverybo Sep 2019 #82

You candidate is at 2%. He is doing great. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #68

Hardly. SteveDallas Sep 2019 #72

Certainly entitled to your opinion Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #90

I would bet most candidates including yours would be more than happy to have such support. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #107

You keep repeating a false meme Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #37

THIS! n/t True Dough Sep 2019 #57

See link below.. far from false. I am not attacking EW.. stating facts from various sources Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #64

Counted votes are facts, polling and analysis are not Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #76

I want to remove the illicit prez. Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #92

AA voters that I have worked with for years...are to the right of EW...they just are. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #108

Older ones probably; not younger ones Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #115

They SAID they would vote in 2016. SteveDallas Sep 2019 #60

Iowa and New Hampshire represent two tiny (population-wise) almost all-white states.... George II Sep 2019 #11

No state is. SteveDallas Sep 2019 #18

SC is the bellwether for the AA vote. No one has won an election without this voting block Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #39

I agree, if Iowa is the holy grail why does it vote Republican? dem4decades Sep 2019 #31

Staying open minded but hearing Joe talk, it's largely generalizations (like today) and looking JudyM Sep 2019 #15

Programs that have no chance of ever being enacted. Biden actually wants to do something. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #69

For one, Joe wants to protect Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. We can not wait for the emmaverybo Sep 2019 #84

I think this is for someone else...I support Biden. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #112

You give intelligent and well thought out support. Think I was adding to the "do-able" point you emmaverybo Sep 2019 #114

If You Ask $250K For Your House, Nobody is Gonna Pay $300K DrFunkenstein Sep 2019 #91

They can pull right because the country is with them...center left country. We have moved right so Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #113

Those states are very white treestar Sep 2019 #43

We got the people that would vote for any Democratic party candidate and the anybody but Trump brewens Sep 2019 #56

Agreed Champion Jack Sep 2019 #89

That journalist is both using a Monmouth poll that was recognized as an outlier for days before highplainsdem Sep 2019 #9

Not yet a sign. No basis--yet--to contend that Warren will be our nominee. I think she is a emmaverybo Sep 2019 #85

I agree that Warren is likely to be the nominee. Blue_true Sep 2019 #12

No it isn't and I doubt she wins either...two white states? When she polls badly with AA voters...no Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #13

She won't win the general Green Line Sep 2019 #14

She won't though you and I vote blue no matter who...political suicide. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #28

AA would vote for her in the General JI7 Sep 2019 #16

Nope Green Line Sep 2019 #20

yes they would. AA would vote for any democrat that wins the nomination JI7 Sep 2019 #23

That is not neccesarily true...you can't just say that and nominate someone whom they don't support Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #26

They did in Mass so you have no basis for that opinion Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #40

No one has said AA voters won't vote for her!! Her polling numbers are not there, those are facts Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #65

Wrong, plenty of posters on this thread are inferring that Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #75

I pointed out that yes, part of one of your post was fact. You then went on to add your opinion Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #88

One more thing, if you think you are being smeared and hurt, there's a way to deal with it Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #94

The admins don't moderate Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #100

See your post #75 which uses the word smearing. Yes admin does moderate Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #104

Clinton Held a 24 Point Lead With AA Voters Until Obama Won Iowa and Then HE Had a 28 Point Lead DrFunkenstein Sep 2019 #93

I've been noticing that, too. The AA vote is just getting to know blm Sep 2019 #77

Thanks Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #79

Yes. I've been using the word absurd to describe these blm Sep 2019 #80

Here's a typical exchange blm Sep 2019 #83

Biden is currently polling worse than Hillary in both 2008 and 2016 SteveDallas Sep 2019 #21

No he isn't in a 20 candidate race and it isn't only that they think he can win...what you and Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #25

Given his name recognition, he SHOULD be much higher. SteveDallas Sep 2019 #34

Still a lot more than just 2 treestar Sep 2019 #46

Very weak for a former VP. SteveDallas Sep 2019 #73

Total bullshit...I tell you Warren will not be the nominee and that is a good thing as she won't Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #70

She would win easily. SteveDallas Sep 2019 #74

Why would it? Biden is one of America's most respected and beloved politicians. His message is emmaverybo Sep 2019 #96

+1000 Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #97

She won't win the states we need. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #109

J. S. U. blm Sep 2019 #78

Who are you to "tell" us this BS. It's our primary vote and blm Sep 2019 #102

It is my opinion. I would never tell you how to vote...or anyone else. I firmly believe we need Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #106

See post #36 Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #41

So far then AA voters don't believe she can win. emmaverybo Sep 2019 #103

Lol. Nope. Joe941 Sep 2019 #24

This is troubling for Bernie. LanternWaste Sep 2019 #105

Warren's my choice, yet I hate that if she is elected a Republican governor will tblue37 Sep 2019 #27

That is another disaster...last time we lost the seat...that alone is reason for her not to Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #29

It is also true that she has been a lion in the senate, especially when questioning Republican tblue37 Sep 2019 #33

No question ...hell of a senator. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #67

Another falsehood Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #42

No one is bashing EW..stating one's opinion is not name calling or bashing Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #50

Scott Brown won the election...special election...so there is no guarantee that we win...and those Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #55

We lost the special election and that is not a lie...Scott Brown won. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #54

Biden evertonfc Sep 2019 #45

Me too... would luv to see a fe prez... but We cannot afford to loose this one Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #48

FYI: RCP today Biden holds a 13.5 lead Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #47

Impressive, and considering the bad press and continual on-air bashing! emmaverybo Sep 2019 #98

It would be great to have a woman president, mapol Sep 2019 #52

It would be great to have a Democratic president. While I hope to see a woman president in my Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #110

welcome to DU gopiscrap Sep 2019 #117

yay! Kurt V. Sep 2019 #61

If she wins both I expect her to win NH being next door to home state FloridaBlues Sep 2019 #62

Rec. cwydro Sep 2019 #71

Right now Warren is weak in the rust belt. Biden is the only one winning in WI redstateblues Sep 2019 #101

And in my opinion based on the EC maps...the race will come down to Wisconsin. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #111

Remember How Weak Obama Was Until He Won Iowa DrFunkenstein Sep 2019 #116