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In reply to the discussion: Krystal Ball: Washington Post "fact check" proves Bernie right [View all]Gothmog
(179,984 posts)9. According to the facts in this article, the Washington Post is correct
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In this case, The Post's fact-check mentioned that some critics believe that Sanders' use of the 500,000 figure which was from an editorial published in the American Journal of Public Health was perhaps casting "too wide a net." The fact-check said that the actual study published in the journal surveyed people who had gone bankrupt in part due to medical bills, not necessarily entirely because of their medical bills.
"Sanders glosses over those nuances, stating that health-care costs drove people to bankruptcy in all 500,000 cases. The study he's citing doesn't establish that," The Post's article said. ..
In a response shared with Business Insider, the Post's managing editor Cameron Barr wrote to Gunnels that the points of contention raised by the Sanders campaign don't hold up.
"That study did not seek to determine what causes bankruptcies, only factors that contribute to them. On this basis alone, the statements by Sen. Sanders are misleading," Barr wrote.
Barr also denied the "pattern of bias" against Sanders that his campaign claimed, writing that it was "categorically false."
"Though the Sanders campaign may not like some of our coverage, it has been fair, professional and accurate," he wrote.
"Sanders glosses over those nuances, stating that health-care costs drove people to bankruptcy in all 500,000 cases. The study he's citing doesn't establish that," The Post's article said. ..
In a response shared with Business Insider, the Post's managing editor Cameron Barr wrote to Gunnels that the points of contention raised by the Sanders campaign don't hold up.
"That study did not seek to determine what causes bankruptcies, only factors that contribute to them. On this basis alone, the statements by Sen. Sanders are misleading," Barr wrote.
Barr also denied the "pattern of bias" against Sanders that his campaign claimed, writing that it was "categorically false."
"Though the Sanders campaign may not like some of our coverage, it has been fair, professional and accurate," he wrote.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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The video says (at about 2:50) that medical expenses are a "contributing factor"...
George II
Sep 2019
#17
It's been represented more than once that medical expenses are THE reason for bankruptcies....
George II
Sep 2019
#60
If it's only 30%, that means OTHER reasons other than medical expenses represent 70% of the reason.
George II
Sep 2019
#63
No. Just pointing out facts. But there is a lot of bias against Bernie simpply because he has
KPN
Sep 2019
#10
"Gross generalities", as you put it, are what the premise of the % of bankruptcies was based.
George II
Sep 2019
#50
"I have better things to do with my time than try to meet anyone's demand for "links"
ehrnst
Sep 2019
#134
So, why exactly are you NOT supporting "the person who has probably been the most aggressive
ehrnst
Sep 2019
#145
So tell us, what "genuine progressive economic policy" has he gotten enacted "over the past....
George II
Sep 2019
#162
Look up his amendments, there are a lot -- if you really are interested. I'm not your gofer George.
KPN
Sep 2019
#176
This attitude is exactly why we don't always get out the vote. Poo-pawing or downplaying
KPN
Sep 2019
#11
In the real world, one needs to keep an open mind in order to tell the difference betwen
KPN
Sep 2019
#13
I am less concerned with the number, because it surely is a problem, and more
Eliot Rosewater
Sep 2019
#23
I am concerned if someone who claims they can fix a problem gets their numbers wrong
ehrnst
Sep 2019
#31
YEAH I hear you, I do...But imagine if he actually did win, is he going to change his
Eliot Rosewater
Sep 2019
#52
If a politician is going to use numbers to support their case, the numbers should be correct.
ehrnst
Sep 2019
#98
No, global warming is supported by facts. The WAPO piece is like climate science
ehrnst
Sep 2019
#93
I would venture to guess that more voters are turned off by candidates exaggerating....
George II
Sep 2019
#16
In what way is the perspective biased? Where are the REAL numbers specifically? I don't see them.
George II
Sep 2019
#35
Okay, pick bones between contributed and caused if you like. The point being contributed has the
KPN
Sep 2019
#108
Contributed to, and causality are not mere 'bones' when it comes to statistics.
ehrnst
Sep 2019
#110
Now there's a euphemism ... "correcting" something that was in my very educated opinion
KPN
Sep 2019
#118
Your very educated opinion doesn't outweigh this groups' collective very educated opinion
ehrnst
Sep 2019
#119
No, they lied. WAPO said the study that Bernie used was not peer reviewed and in fact it was,
Uncle Joe
Sep 2019
#26
They "lied"? They didn't have a problem with it but they clearly looked at it more objectively.
George II
Sep 2019
#38
WaPo published an update today. They are standing by their Three-Pinocchio rating.
lapucelle
Sep 2019
#80
re: "According to the facts in this article, the Washington Post is correct..."
thesquanderer
Sep 2019
#173
That 500,000, which was then increased to 530,000, is people, not bankruptcies...
George II
Sep 2019
#69
Another evasion of the actual question. No surprise. But since you brought it up....
ehrnst
Sep 2019
#97
Here's an article from the NCBI published in The New England Journal of Medicine- peer reviewed
Thekaspervote
Sep 2019
#57
Ntl Cntr of Biotech info with a peer reviewed paper published in The New England Journal of
Thekaspervote
Sep 2019
#78
Not a Sanders fan for numerous reasons, but too many financial hardships are caused by health costs.
Hoyt
Sep 2019
#62
If a Pol is going to quote numbers, that pol needs to be sure that those numbers are correct.
ehrnst
Sep 2019
#72
"Close enough" isn't going to cut it in the age of the internet and fact checks.
ehrnst
Sep 2019
#94
Seems like a lot of energy spent arguing about a factoid in a campaign speech.
TreasonousBastard
Sep 2019
#87
If one is going to make a point with facts, it's sort of important that they be facts
ehrnst
Sep 2019
#92
Are you equally concerned by Factcheck.org's finding that Warren's Wealth Tax will yield only 40%
Hoyt
Sep 2019
#100
I said earlier I am not a Sander's fan and I am positive he's wrong about the cost of M4A.
Hoyt
Sep 2019
#102
I get tired of all candidates promising the world with questionable funding sources.
Hoyt
Sep 2019
#105