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Showing Original Post only (View all)Bernie Sanders Is the Strongest Candidate to Beat Donald Trump [View all]
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Electorally speaking, Trump won for two related reasons: in key swing states, a handful of former Obama voters opted for Trump over Clinton, and another handful decided to vote for nobody at all. To unseat Trump, the nominee will have to perform well in those swing areas. Instead of projecting our own fantasies about what voters (and potential voters) are looking for in a candidate, we should look at the supporter data that is already available.
The Daily Beast reports that in the 206 counties that went for Obama in 2008 and 2012 and then went for Donald Trump in 2016, Bernie Sanders is raking in far and away the most individual donations. Sanders has received 81,841 donations from 33,185 donors in flipped counties. Thats roughly three times as much as runner-up Elizabeth Warren, who received 26,298 donations from 13,674 donors. Buttigieg comes in just under Warren, with Biden trailing closely behind.
It would be a mistake to draw a direct line from donors to voters. While its clear that Sanders has the most enthusiastic support base (he continues to break records for individual donations), we cant just perform simple multiplication to predict the voter breakdown. Donor profiles differ from voter profiles in key ways: donors are more engaged in the political process, but plenty of semi-disengaged people will pull the lever in their states primary election, and plenty of even more disengaged people will do the same in the general election.
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Each enthusiastic donor especially someone donating this far in advance of the general election is more likely than the average person to talk to their friends, family, and coworkers about politics. Early donors are likely to put bumper stickers on their cars and signs on their lawns. If theyre union members, theyre more likely than passive non-donors to take an interest in their unions 2020 electoral work. Theyre more likely to knock on doors and and join voter registration drives. All of this will have a major impact on the political climate in their local areas come general election time.
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https://jacobinmag.com/2019/09/bernie-sanders-beats-donald-trump
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Do you believe Jacobin "projected their fantasies" on to this map which originated from a
Uncle Joe
Sep 2019
#23
It would be entirely consistent, all of those 209 counties that swung from Obama to Trump are
Uncle Joe
Sep 2019
#28
Gauging a probable action based on evidence is not the same as empirical science.
Uncle Joe
Sep 2019
#42
Well according to your statements here, empirical science is really not necessary...
ehrnst
Sep 2019
#51
No question you're right Uncle Joe, if he's nominated, he'll lose at least 41 states.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2019
#48
Do you believe that people donating to political candidates are less likely to be involved?
Uncle Joe
Sep 2019
#16
As I stated the campaign is just beginning, we're 5-6 months away from the first vote. n/t
Uncle Joe
Sep 2019
#58
Inevitably stuff goes wrong to a lesser or greater extent for candidates for President.
Uncle Joe
Sep 2019
#64
Number of donors and donations is more concrete than polls which can be easily manipulated,
Uncle Joe
Sep 2019
#68
You don't care as long as they are flattering Bernie, you do not or will not admit it.
ehrnst
Sep 2019
#89
I believe TOS allows referencing a previous election as a data point for the current one.
brooklynite
Sep 2019
#96
Yes, there are those qualifications. And those aren't measured by donations in 206 counties. (nt)
ehrnst
Sep 2019
#25
Do you believe that donors to political candidates are less likely to be involved
Uncle Joe
Sep 2019
#26
Do you believe that you will wake up tomorrow morning or will you need data to go by?
Uncle Joe
Sep 2019
#33
When one doesn't have data, one tactic is to dismiss data as extraneous to one's point, which hinges
ehrnst
Sep 2019
#36
Most people believe they will wake up in the morning, the vast majority of the time, they're correct
Uncle Joe
Sep 2019
#39
It's strong CURRENT evidence, and Bernie didn't run for President against George W. Bush.
Uncle Joe
Sep 2019
#50
"It would be entirely consistent" has been enough for you to think that something's
ehrnst
Sep 2019
#62
This is also strong CURRENT evidence that his supporters might not be as numerous this time around
ehrnst
Sep 2019
#70
Here's an indication of the fallacy of looking at isolated counties around the country....
George II
Sep 2019
#49