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Hortensis

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9. According to this 538 graph, @51% of Democrats SELF-identify
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 10:34 AM
Mar 2019

as liberal, @35% as moderate, and @12% as conservative.

The most valuable takeaway from this graph could be for some that "moderate" within the Democratic Party is not conservative. We all hold a variety of views from across the spectrum depending on issues. Thus moderate Democrats average out liberal overall, just as "moderate conservatives" average conservative overall. Being socially liberal more than somewhat economically conservative is a common mix among those who self identify as moderate on the left, averaging out liberal overall, which is why they register Democrat.

The 12% conservative are the "blue dogs."



The graph would be significantly more accurate, allocating more "moderates" to "liberal" if the poll spent a lot more money testing people for actual orientation, rather then depending on a very inaccurate range of ideas about what liberal is. Most people aren't at all sure.

The left side of the graph shows what happened when Gingrich et all convinced Americans that liberal equaled radical nuts who opposed "family values," a very unrespectable, unprincipled way of being. A tragic number of naturally liberal people believed it because they knew that didn't describe them and refused to vote Democrat. The Repubs are up to it again, of course; we're all wingnut atheist socialists who hate white people and war on Christianity.

This is last year's senate, interesting because Democratic senators average significantly LESS liberal than the average Democratic voter because they must appeal to an entire state, yet look at the strong division between blue and red. These people know very well who they are and what they're for. Those who come fairly close on economic issues would be considered "moderate liberals" with a couple coming very close to conservatives, but on averaging their votes there was no overlap between red and blue and moderate liberals are strongly outnumbered by strong liberals.

Senate:

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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What do you find in the middle of the road? Funtatlaguy Mar 2019 #1
the old terms don't apply anymore. also, i don't see the party moving Kurt V. Mar 2019 #2
This sounds about right Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #6
Third Way, lol. aidbo Mar 2019 #3
Does this mean that everyone is 3rd way except Bernie and his crowd? leftofcool Mar 2019 #13
"If there's room for a different approach"? TCJ70 Mar 2019 #4
One who won't get my support. Anyone who thinks they can work with Republicans is Autumn Mar 2019 #5
Moderate Dems like Barak Obama and Bill Clinton get elected comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #7
Some notable extremists: Al Gore, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton. n/t denverbill Mar 2019 #8
So tell me which far left candidates have been elected president? comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #10
LBJ? Passed Medicare and the Civil Rights Act? denverbill Mar 2019 #11
I remember LBJ's presidency. I don't recall anyone calling him a leftist. comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #12
Pretty sure the left disliked his war in Vietnam, not his domestic policies. denverbill Mar 2019 #15
LBJ was a conservative Southern populist, radius777 Mar 2019 #16
2 of those 3 won popular vote, kerry lost narrowly. /nt radius777 Mar 2019 #18
According to this 538 graph, @51% of Democrats SELF-identify Hortensis Mar 2019 #9
liberal and leftist are two different things though, radius777 Mar 2019 #17
Oh, absolutely, adding the note that "mainstream" Hortensis Mar 2019 #20
Someone who understands Gwen Graham has easier election path than Andrew Gillum Awsi Dooger Mar 2019 #14
Keeping in mind that republicans consider all democrats to be extreme, GulfCoast66 Mar 2019 #19
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