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51. Ohferchrissakes-- why even ask? It was 1997 and white people using that word was just...

Reply to comradebillyboy (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 08:28 AM

Sep 2019

not acceptable. It was not the time for even satirically using it.

Even rappers and gangstas seem to be getting away from it because it brings too much pain. Real pain, from when people meant it when they said it.

So, of course he should not have used it. The question may be whether he used it because he was racist, or clueless.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Should Bernie Sanders Have Used the N-Word to 'Critique Racism' in His Book? [View all] comradebillyboy Sep 2019 OP

Weak WA-03 Democrat Sep 2019 #1

No idea. crazytown Sep 2019 #2

Precisely. If he really cares about working Americans, he wouldn't separate out... George II Sep 2019 #4

I don't know how you're getting that from the mediate post. hedda_foil Sep 2019 #5

He could have said it without using the N word nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #8

Yes BS could have written it without Cha Sep 2019 #55

I would have to read the book crazytown Sep 2019 #10

Yes, it's a variation of an old LBJ quote. DrToast Sep 2019 #15

That's it. zentrum Sep 2019 #19

Johnson's quote predates Sanders by 30 years dsc Sep 2019 #54

I really don't think there's anything wrong with it in this context ... mr_lebowski Sep 2019 #79

This zentrum Sep 2019 #18

Agreed and I am not even a Bernie supporter. cstanleytech Sep 2019 #21

those whites chose racism . JI7 Sep 2019 #29

LBJ said the same thing without invoking the N word treestar Sep 2019 #32

He didn't have to use the N word ... I think it is a dog whistle nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #6

That's right.. it's hurtful.. most Cha Sep 2019 #60

Then you don't know what a dog whistle is...n/t TCJ70 Sep 2019 #61

I know what it is and in this case, the shoe fits. nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #64

It's clear that what he's saying is "Out of ALL White Workers" ... mr_lebowski Sep 2019 #77

Use of that word was unnecessary. George II Sep 2019 #3

Should Harper Lee have written the n word? pnwpolicy Sep 2019 #7

Harper Lee is not running for POTUS nor was she an elected official. nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #9

I must have missed the part where Harper Lee was alive and running for president. BannonsLiver Sep 2019 #16

Precisely. Cha Sep 2019 #44

Sorry. this has Nothing to do with Harper Lee. Cha Sep 2019 #43

Should artists and politicians maintain precisely the same standards of usage in all things? LanternWaste Sep 2019 #85

No Gothmog Sep 2019 #11

I see a lot of Biden threads where people say what he did in the past doesn't matter. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #12

It was OK to use the N-word n 1997? I think not. comradebillyboy Sep 2019 #14

I didn't say OK. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #24

There was no "pretty serious debate" in the 90s about this. BannonsLiver Sep 2019 #20

Yes there was. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Sep 2019 #26

Whatever makes you happy. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #27

It makes me happy when people don't try to justify racial slurs BannonsLiver Sep 2019 #30

I'm not justifying racial slurs. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #31

Ironic you allege others look desperate. LanternWaste Sep 2019 #35

Creating a strawman looks desperate. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #37

No, you don't get to accuse him of looking "desperate". Cha Sep 2019 #45

Yeah, actually I do. That's how discussion boards work. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #49

Yeah.. because you have nothing but Cha Sep 2019 #50

So you clearly haven't read my responses, because I have more than insults. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #56

No one is "desperate" as you accuse. Cha Sep 2019 #58

So committing a fallacy as an argument isn't desperate? Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #62

He needs to apologize for using Cha Sep 2019 #65

So you're conceding the use of fallacies is desperate. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #66

well that's quite over generalized treestar Sep 2019 #33

And re-released in 2015 with an audio version - that OK too? n/t seaglass Sep 2019 #36

Are you opposed to Huck Finn as a full audio version? Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #38

Bernie Sanders is no Mark Twain lol. I'm opposed to Bernie using that word when others would have seaglass Sep 2019 #41

Your WhatABout is NOT working. Cha Sep 2019 #46

That isn't whataboutism. Nice try, though. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #57

BS was wrong to write the hurtful Cha Sep 2019 #59

You're avoiding the question. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #63

Why would it not be? N/t TCJ70 Sep 2019 #48

I (allege to) see a lot of things as well. It does not imply they are all of one collective. LanternWaste Sep 2019 #87

Simply NO! just no.. Peacetrain Sep 2019 #13

This is disqualifying. BannonsLiver Sep 2019 #17

It's clear he's critiquing zentrum Sep 2019 #22

I don't see anything wrong with it... TCJ70 Sep 2019 #25

i thought it was worse in that he seemed to be making excuses for white racists JI7 Sep 2019 #28

Not a Bernie fan. But I have no problem with this academic evaluation of US history or Bernie's use LincolnRossiter Sep 2019 #34

I don't know if a lot of serious writers were using the euphemism of n-word yet in 1997. aikoaiko Sep 2019 #39

There were plenty of better alternatives even then...nt comradebillyboy Sep 2019 #40

Hell No.. not according to more than a few POC Cha Sep 2019 #42

I know... he has certainly reinforced a certain perception that many have about him. NurseJackie Sep 2019 #76

Imani Gandy.. He wasn't quoting anybody. Cha Sep 2019 #47

Ohferchrissakes-- why even ask? It was 1997 and white people using that word was just... TreasonousBastard Sep 2019 #51

Barack Obama used it three years ago on a podcast RhodeIslandOne Sep 2019 #71

Barack Obama is not white. And, context matters. TreasonousBastard Sep 2019 #72

But you just said rappers and such are moving away from it RhodeIslandOne Sep 2019 #73

I don't think Sanders should have Cha Sep 2019 #74

I agree with Cha Gothmog Sep 2019 #75

Thanks Goth.. it's Cha Sep 2019 #88

This is a hit piece - simple as that. A nothing burger. Joe941 Sep 2019 #52

BS didn't need to write the hurtful Cha Sep 2019 #53

He wasn't critiquing racism... SidDithers Sep 2019 #67

exactly , i see that as the bigger problem than use of the N word itself which maybe could JI7 Sep 2019 #68

This. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2019 #83

He highlighted the use of bigotry to divide and conquer Bradical79 Sep 2019 #84

Bingo. MrsCoffee Sep 2019 #89

Why does Sanders view White Racists as the Victims of RAcism ? JI7 Sep 2019 #69

Yes, why do they get the benefit of the doubt? betsuni Sep 2019 #70

I think they shouldn't Bradical79 Sep 2019 #86

I think it was to endear his base which is 99% white nt BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #78

Done it myself to make a point. Nothing else so succinctly Hortensis Sep 2019 #80

So. Everyone on this thread read the book Srkdqltr Sep 2019 #81

No, and the fact that people think it's okay to use it to "critique racism" shows how much work WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2019 #82

KICK! Cha Oct 2019 #90