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In reply to the discussion: Screaming about another gaffe by VP Biden does not shake his supporters up one iota [View all]Gothmog
(180,310 posts)124. Joe Biden's appeal actually isn't a mystery
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Biden shows reverence for the most popular Democrat around, former president Barack Obama; others find fault in everything from the Affordable Care Act to immigration policy. Biden does not bombard voters with a torrent of multi-part plans; he gives them a few basic positions and defends them. Biden does not campaign from the neck up; he campaigns with his heart on his sleeve. Biden is deeply optimistic; his opponents think Americans are the problem, not Trump. (I dont suggest that his opponents are wrong, merely that their stance apparently isnt as popular as they thought.) Biden wants normalcy plus reform; his opponents want a peaceful revolution. Biden knows people want to be heard and seen; his opponents (with the exception of Sen. Kamala D. Harris) dont fully grasp this. They want to help," to pepper people with ideas and a to-do list, while Biden takes the time to listen to them. (Think of the well-meaning friend who has a thousand suggestions when you are grieving and youd rather they just shut up and commiserate.)
This is the grouchy-white-guy-in-the-diner problem all over again. Reporters are blinded by their own age, background, education and geography. Instead of going to West Virginia diners to find the Trump voter, reporters should go talk to the residents of The Villages in Florida, the African American churchgoing ladies and the buttoned-down professionals in the affluent suburbs (the Romney-Clinton voters). These people have endured a noisy, offensive and intrusive presence in the White House. They dont necessarily want a different noisy, intrusive presence even one they agree with on substance.
Part of the mystery of Bidens appeal would be solved if the moderators flipped their questions, as one smart Democrat not in the Biden camp put it. Instead of asking Biden or another moderate, Why arent you going with the big, bold idea of Medicare-for-all?, the moderators might consider asking Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) or Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Why blow up Obamacare, and why dont you trust people to choose Medicare if given the option? Instead of assuming that extreme proposals are the standard, requiring the moderates to explain why they are such wet blankets, the moderators should press the super-progressives on questions such as: What makes you think that voters want to go through another health-care makeover? Why should poorer people pay for richer peoples health care or subsidize their college debt?
Better yet, ask the candidates to relate the personal story from a voter who moved them the most, or the last voter whose phone number they took so that the candidate could call later, or the most insightful thing they have heard from a voter. It might reveal who is talking at voters and who is listening to them.
This is the grouchy-white-guy-in-the-diner problem all over again. Reporters are blinded by their own age, background, education and geography. Instead of going to West Virginia diners to find the Trump voter, reporters should go talk to the residents of The Villages in Florida, the African American churchgoing ladies and the buttoned-down professionals in the affluent suburbs (the Romney-Clinton voters). These people have endured a noisy, offensive and intrusive presence in the White House. They dont necessarily want a different noisy, intrusive presence even one they agree with on substance.
Part of the mystery of Bidens appeal would be solved if the moderators flipped their questions, as one smart Democrat not in the Biden camp put it. Instead of asking Biden or another moderate, Why arent you going with the big, bold idea of Medicare-for-all?, the moderators might consider asking Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) or Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Why blow up Obamacare, and why dont you trust people to choose Medicare if given the option? Instead of assuming that extreme proposals are the standard, requiring the moderates to explain why they are such wet blankets, the moderators should press the super-progressives on questions such as: What makes you think that voters want to go through another health-care makeover? Why should poorer people pay for richer peoples health care or subsidize their college debt?
Better yet, ask the candidates to relate the personal story from a voter who moved them the most, or the last voter whose phone number they took so that the candidate could call later, or the most insightful thing they have heard from a voter. It might reveal who is talking at voters and who is listening to them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Screaming about another gaffe by VP Biden does not shake his supporters up one iota [View all]
Peacetrain
Sep 2019
OP
I feel the same way, I will be very disappointed if he gets the nom. Nice guy and all, but..... n/t
monmouth4
Sep 2019
#2
Ancient history...and people still get bankruptcies pretty easily...my sis got one last year...
Demsrule86
Sep 2019
#27
It is not a deal breaker...and people still get bankruptcies thanks to Sentors including Biden...who
Demsrule86
Sep 2019
#117
Which part of "I prefer her more progressive policies" are you struggling with?
griffi94
Sep 2019
#111
Oh please...the Senate had no desire for dissent...we were crushed in the next
Demsrule86
Sep 2019
#22
I agree with what you say about Joe's "establishment politics"... it's outgrown its usefulness..
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2019
#58
I went back and forth about the spelling and then settled on gaff.. well that one was wrong
Peacetrain
Sep 2019
#12
I hear you...I remember it well...and you were not the only one who took a time out.
Demsrule86
Sep 2019
#28
Oh my god I know what you are talking about.. I was O'Malley and he did not make it out of Iowa
Peacetrain
Sep 2019
#31
same old same old...and wanting candidates who will never win the electoral college...the map
Demsrule86
Sep 2019
#118
You can tell when people really don't care about something - they don't post about it. n/t
PoliticAverse
Sep 2019
#10
I was posting to someone earlier today, that VP Biden had been around so long
Peacetrain
Sep 2019
#34
Hand to God.. I was in my mid 30's, and I forgot the name of my first cousin
Peacetrain
Sep 2019
#33
Thanks for the good laugh... Bernie consistently speaks eloquently on ALL subjects.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2019
#61
No one thinks it will. But it could affect people who don't yet have a favorite. nt
pnwmom
Sep 2019
#39
If not disqualifying, certainly concerning... imagine if Bernie was making several gaffes a day!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2019
#62
I'm sure if Bernie started speaking gibberish the Washington post would be fine with it
Hassin Bin Sober
Sep 2019
#67
hahahaha!! yeah riiiight!! No doubt, everyone here would be fine with it too!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2019
#73
"Predators on the streets...without any conscience because they literally have not been socialized"
DrFunkenstein
Sep 2019
#53
So true... Joe's moderate incrementalism is not the way forward for the Democratic Party...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2019
#63
The attack on Biden's so called gaffes by the Right, Left and Media has only increased my support
aeromanKC
Sep 2019
#77
This seems familiar - a politician with unwavering supporters no matter what.
LonePirate
Sep 2019
#81
Actually I think you're about 5 stories behind.... who can keep up??? Ridiculous isn't it??!!
Thekaspervote
Sep 2019
#99
Amazing, this is all they have. Decades in politics, a high-profile and powerful
emmaverybo
Sep 2019
#101