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Gothmog

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43. Joe Biden's appeal actually isn't a mystery
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 04:48 PM
Sep 2019



Biden shows reverence for the most popular Democrat around, former president Barack Obama; others find fault in everything from the Affordable Care Act to immigration policy. Biden does not bombard voters with a torrent of multi-part plans; he gives them a few basic positions and defends them. Biden does not campaign from the neck up; he campaigns with his heart on his sleeve. Biden is deeply optimistic; his opponents think Americans are the problem, not Trump. (I don’t suggest that his opponents are wrong, merely that their stance apparently isn’t as popular as they thought.) Biden wants normalcy plus reform; his opponents want a peaceful revolution. Biden knows people want to be heard and seen; his opponents (with the exception of Sen. Kamala D. Harris) don’t fully grasp this. They want to “help," to pepper people with ideas and a to-do list, while Biden takes the time to listen to them. (Think of the well-meaning friend who has a thousand suggestions when you are grieving and you’d rather they just shut up and commiserate.)

This is the grouchy-white-guy-in-the-diner problem all over again. Reporters are blinded by their own age, background, education and geography. Instead of going to West Virginia diners to find the Trump voter, reporters should go talk to the residents of The Villages in Florida, the African American churchgoing ladies and the buttoned-down professionals in the affluent suburbs (the Romney-Clinton voters). These people have endured a noisy, offensive and intrusive presence in the White House. They don’t necessarily want a different noisy, intrusive presence — even one they agree with on substance.

Part of the “mystery” of Biden’s appeal would be solved if the moderators flipped their questions, as one smart Democrat not in the Biden camp put it. Instead of asking Biden or another moderate, “Why aren’t you going with the big, bold idea of Medicare-for-all?,” the moderators might consider asking Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) or Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), “Why blow up Obamacare, and why don’t you trust people to choose Medicare if given the option?” Instead of assuming that extreme proposals are the standard, requiring the moderates to explain why they are such wet blankets, the moderators should press the super-progressives on questions such as: What makes you think that voters want to go through another health-care makeover? Why should poorer people pay for richer people’s health care or subsidize their college debt?

Better yet, ask the candidates to relate the personal story from a voter who moved them the most, or the last voter whose phone number they took so that the candidate could call later, or the most insightful thing they have heard from a voter. It might reveal who is talking at voters and who is listening to them.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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I don't think he's electable at all. nt comradebillyboy Sep 2019 #1
I guess you're more evidence of the OP's point then! thesquanderer Sep 2019 #25
Me Neither DownriverDem Sep 2019 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Sep 2019 #2
Funny that I came to the conclusion he wasn't electable... brooklynite Sep 2019 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Sep 2019 #10
As a political junkie, DownriverDem Sep 2019 #38
Joe Biden's appeal actually isn't a mystery Gothmog Sep 2019 #43
Bernie surpasses VP Biden in NEW New Hampshire poll. bahrbearian Sep 2019 #9
Then DownriverDem Sep 2019 #39
LOL bahrbearian Sep 2019 #42
... ehrnst Sep 2019 #64
LOL bahrbearian Sep 2019 #65
An excellent example of the " Argument by Dismissal" fallacy that I referenced! ehrnst Sep 2019 #66
LOL bahrbearian Sep 2019 #67
LOL ehrnst Sep 2019 #68
lol bahrbearian Sep 2019 #69
Flattering, but I'm married. ehrnst Sep 2019 #70
LOL bahrbearian Sep 2019 #71
Lol. ehrnst Sep 2019 #73
ROFLMAO you need different bait bahrbearian Sep 2019 #74
Lol. ehrnst Sep 2019 #75
Lol bahrbearian Sep 2019 #79
lol ehrnst Sep 2019 #80
Amone Democrats in a small, predominantly white population, sure. ehrnst Sep 2019 #60
LOL bahrbearian Sep 2019 #62
.... ehrnst Sep 2019 #63
I don't need media or other people to shape my opinion BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Sep 2019 #15
Joes' so called "gaffes" are endearing to most people BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #16
Post removed Post removed Sep 2019 #17
Trump LIES -- Biden misspeaks. BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #20
Post removed Post removed Sep 2019 #24
Not me DownriverDem Sep 2019 #40
No worries, Autumn.. We're Not Afraid Cha Sep 2019 #50
I think he's quite zentrum Sep 2019 #3
Bernie is not electable is a right wing talking point. vsrazdem Sep 2019 #5
Really? Amimnoch Sep 2019 #13
Then you must have your head in the sand. That is all we have heard ever since he announced from vsrazdem Sep 2019 #21
Can I let you in on a secret? (don't tell anyone...) brooklynite Sep 2019 #23
Wrong, he is a democractic socialist. vsrazdem Sep 2019 #26
Time for an English lession brooklynite Sep 2019 #28
Sanders has been calling himself a socialist for decades. TwilightZone Sep 2019 #31
Oh yes, the "scary socialist" label. Well I have been a Democrat my whole life and I vsrazdem Sep 2019 #35
Here is a video of Bernie telling us he is a socialist: comradebillyboy Sep 2019 #33
Good then it should be no problem at all for you to produce a single one. Amimnoch Sep 2019 #27
I stopped doing people's homework 40 years ago. vsrazdem Sep 2019 #32
It's your claim, your job to back it up. Don't do my homework, but do your own. Amimnoch Sep 2019 #36
LOL vsrazdem Sep 2019 #37
That's what I thought. Amimnoch Sep 2019 #47
Sorry, not interested in breaking rules by posting right wing sources here. Do your own homework. vsrazdem Sep 2019 #45
What's your words again? Oh, LOL Amimnoch Sep 2019 #46
trump wants to run against sanders Gothmog Sep 2019 #30
Sorry DownriverDem Sep 2019 #41
Exactly! Not to mention the claim above yours is outright false. Amimnoch Sep 2019 #48
Actually, RW talking points at this time are very "Bernie is electable" ehrnst Sep 2019 #54
Then why the hell is not in the lead and he never has been. nt UniteFightBack Sep 2019 #57
Once in awhile even those fucks are right. nt UniteFightBack Sep 2019 #58
no it isn't qazplm135 Sep 2019 #78
Those who canvass for him know otherwise. roody Sep 2019 #6
Anecdotal data aren't as reliable as data gathered via ehrnst Sep 2019 #56
BS won't win the nomination BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #7
Yeah and Trump was unelectable too. There's no such thing. Farmer-Rick Sep 2019 #8
I am not a Sanders fan, but this characterization is a typical Politico hit job against him, typical still_one Sep 2019 #11
I disagree... BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #14
Sanders thinks I'm not much different from my Republican Hortensis Sep 2019 #18
Bernie is electable. He may not get the nomination, but if he does he is electable. 33taw Sep 2019 #19
No he isn't DownriverDem Sep 2019 #44
Not exactly no. Joe941 Sep 2019 #49
I disagree with you. 33taw Sep 2019 #52
I am feeling the same about Kamala Harris yuiyoshida Sep 2019 #22
From the article cited in the OP Gothmog Sep 2019 #29
Bernie will be gone by Easter. BlueIdaho Sep 2019 #72
K&R you must be a proud papa. 👍 Kurt V. Sep 2019 #51
Well, those polls have never taken into account that the GOP ehrnst Sep 2019 #53
+1 betsuni Sep 2019 #55
if Bernie & his aides think they can persuade voters he can oust Trump, they are delusional onetexan Sep 2019 #59
A back handed compliment is still just another hit piece. Joe941 Sep 2019 #61
I wonder how Bernie's voice affected perceptions last night customerserviceguy Sep 2019 #76
I Was A Bernie Supporter In 2016..... TomJulie Sep 2019 #77
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