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Democratic Primaries
In reply to the discussion: Tonight's special election shows we can't afford a risky nominee in 2020 [View all]Gothmog
(174,211 posts)126. Joe Biden's appeal actually isn't a mystery
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Biden shows reverence for the most popular Democrat around, former president Barack Obama; others find fault in everything from the Affordable Care Act to immigration policy. Biden does not bombard voters with a torrent of multi-part plans; he gives them a few basic positions and defends them. Biden does not campaign from the neck up; he campaigns with his heart on his sleeve. Biden is deeply optimistic; his opponents think Americans are the problem, not Trump. (I dont suggest that his opponents are wrong, merely that their stance apparently isnt as popular as they thought.) Biden wants normalcy plus reform; his opponents want a peaceful revolution. Biden knows people want to be heard and seen; his opponents (with the exception of Sen. Kamala D. Harris) dont fully grasp this. They want to help," to pepper people with ideas and a to-do list, while Biden takes the time to listen to them. (Think of the well-meaning friend who has a thousand suggestions when you are grieving and youd rather they just shut up and commiserate.)
This is the grouchy-white-guy-in-the-diner problem all over again. Reporters are blinded by their own age, background, education and geography. Instead of going to West Virginia diners to find the Trump voter, reporters should go talk to the residents of The Villages in Florida, the African American churchgoing ladies and the buttoned-down professionals in the affluent suburbs (the Romney-Clinton voters). These people have endured a noisy, offensive and intrusive presence in the White House. They dont necessarily want a different noisy, intrusive presence even one they agree with on substance.
Part of the mystery of Bidens appeal would be solved if the moderators flipped their questions, as one smart Democrat not in the Biden camp put it. Instead of asking Biden or another moderate, Why arent you going with the big, bold idea of Medicare-for-all?, the moderators might consider asking Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) or Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Why blow up Obamacare, and why dont you trust people to choose Medicare if given the option? Instead of assuming that extreme proposals are the standard, requiring the moderates to explain why they are such wet blankets, the moderators should press the super-progressives on questions such as: What makes you think that voters want to go through another health-care makeover? Why should poorer people pay for richer peoples health care or subsidize their college debt?
Better yet, ask the candidates to relate the personal story from a voter who moved them the most, or the last voter whose phone number they took so that the candidate could call later, or the most insightful thing they have heard from a voter. It might reveal who is talking at voters and who is listening to them.
This is the grouchy-white-guy-in-the-diner problem all over again. Reporters are blinded by their own age, background, education and geography. Instead of going to West Virginia diners to find the Trump voter, reporters should go talk to the residents of The Villages in Florida, the African American churchgoing ladies and the buttoned-down professionals in the affluent suburbs (the Romney-Clinton voters). These people have endured a noisy, offensive and intrusive presence in the White House. They dont necessarily want a different noisy, intrusive presence even one they agree with on substance.
Part of the mystery of Bidens appeal would be solved if the moderators flipped their questions, as one smart Democrat not in the Biden camp put it. Instead of asking Biden or another moderate, Why arent you going with the big, bold idea of Medicare-for-all?, the moderators might consider asking Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) or Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Why blow up Obamacare, and why dont you trust people to choose Medicare if given the option? Instead of assuming that extreme proposals are the standard, requiring the moderates to explain why they are such wet blankets, the moderators should press the super-progressives on questions such as: What makes you think that voters want to go through another health-care makeover? Why should poorer people pay for richer peoples health care or subsidize their college debt?
Better yet, ask the candidates to relate the personal story from a voter who moved them the most, or the last voter whose phone number they took so that the candidate could call later, or the most insightful thing they have heard from a voter. It might reveal who is talking at voters and who is listening to them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Tonight's special election shows we can't afford a risky nominee in 2020 [View all]
5starlib
Sep 2019
OP
Ditto. People will be more likely to come out to vote especially for someone who advocates what most
Doitnow
Sep 2019
#49
2018 clearly said the issue is trump, not policy. Dems did not flip all those trump seats
empedocles
Sep 2019
#115
We need to field candidates for districts that fit the district...we might have won with someone
Demsrule86
Sep 2019
#24
The Republicans were found to have committed fraud in the last election and still won.
AJT
Sep 2019
#28
That district is pretty moderate/leaning right. You have to play to your district.
bearsfootball516
Sep 2019
#90
The GOAL is getting rid of trump. The OP rcognized that. There are two radically
empedocles
Sep 2019
#88
tRump calls Democrats trhe "far-left", as does the entire frigging GOP. But feed right into it if
KPN
Sep 2019
#109
Well, I remember tRump sounding just like Bernie toward the end of the 2016 election.....
Doitnow
Sep 2019
#120
trump is effectively scaring voters away from Biden with 'socialists' and ''far leftists' type Dems.
empedocles
Sep 2019
#130
His unpopularity is what brought him down from +12 to +2.3 in 2018 and now.
Tiggeroshii
Sep 2019
#13
It's also a fear-based argument to say that nominating a more moderate candidate will suppress
highplainsdem
Sep 2019
#61
We will never know, though I suspect the chances in NC were and are not good. At the same time,
KPN
Sep 2019
#113
this candidate was different. anyone who didn't vote does not care for a liberal agenda
JI7
Sep 2019
#39
this district does not make up the politics/demograhpics of the country as a whole.
JI7
Sep 2019
#64
If the system is rigged from within No One is beating the Republican candidate by simply showing up.
Ford_Prefect
Sep 2019
#62
Remove 'Biden', insert 'any other candidate' and your posts means just as much... or little.
LanternWaste
Sep 2019
#119
I stopped paying attention to Salon, the Intercept, Greenwald, Cen or TYT a long time ago
Gothmog
Sep 2019
#149
Unfotunately Biden voters aren't even the majority of Democratic voters, much less GE voters
Bradshaw3
Sep 2019
#145
According to Nate more Democrats are closer to Biden than sanders or warren on the issues
Gothmog
Sep 2019
#150
Meanwhile in the real world voters know that Joe Biden is the most electable candidate
Gothmog
Sep 2019
#159
"Biden is the DNC favorite. He's the preordained nominee. The big donors know he'll vote
betsuni
Sep 2019
#73
Bernie has never said he is socialist. He talks about his organization "Our Revolution" not
KPN
Sep 2019
#123
I'm not a Bernie supporter. I'll defend him, yes, because I admire his tenacity in
KPN
Sep 2019
#156
What don't his supporters know about him? What makes you or anyone else think that you
KPN
Sep 2019
#161
Have you ever really listened to Sanders? Have you ever listen to how he defines or describes
KPN
Sep 2019
#160
"I'm not supporting Bernie." "Go ahead and try to discredit and ridicule all you want"
betsuni
Sep 2019
#189
No, you stop calling him a "socialist-like/revolutionary". Your words verbatim. Are you on the
KPN
Sep 2019
#155
Some Elliott Wavers predict a near term dji drop, followed by new highs in 2020.
empedocles
Sep 2019
#131
I am equally worried. And I'm particularly worried about Joe Biden being our nominee. The polls
KPN
Sep 2019
#170
I disagree. What I saw was insults ... and I said so. If you see that as insults, I can't help
KPN
Sep 2019
#171
Nonsense. Republicans who succeeded in that election because more of them turned out.
bigtree
Sep 2019
#93
Your fear voting suggests that we should only run Republican lights or conservatives.
Autumn
Sep 2019
#98