Democratic Primaries

Bradshaw3

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141. Without a doubt it is a concern

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 06:54 PM

Sep 2019

Anyone who has seen Biden's stumbles should be concerned - unless they are diehard supporters who want him as the nominee no matter what. This "defense" of "well he doesn't make as many mistakes as trump" really misses the point: Dump's erratic and questionable behavior is many, many times worse than Biden's and will be one of dump's biggest weaknesses, I believe, when swing voters are deciding.

Nominating a candidate who the other side can say "look at his lapses too" - even if they aren't as bad as dump's will even out that weakness in some voters minds, even if they are wrong factually. Voters don't look that deeply into the comparisons like the ones you posted. They just think "oh they both make a lot of verbal and mental errors." In an election that could be very close, that is a concern. Biden really needs to step up his game in the debates and the campaign trail in the coming months.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Tonight's special election shows we can't afford a risky nominee in 2020 [View all] 5starlib Sep 2019 OP

YES! empedocles Sep 2019 #1

We did fine tonight. Turin_C3PO Sep 2019 #2

True enough, but we should've won 5starlib Sep 2019 #3

R+12 district because of extreme gerrymander. EndGOPPropaganda Sep 2019 #5

Turnout should be higher for Dems in 2020, Turin_C3PO Sep 2019 #7

that's like saying Republicans should have won NYC JI7 Sep 2019 #38

I wouldn't say fine. Polls gave the Dems a chance... Drunken Irishman Sep 2019 #9

He overperformed in Mecklenburg. GOP vote took a 10% drop tonight. blm Sep 2019 #12

And yet still lost by a larger margin than he did back in November. Drunken Irishman Sep 2019 #15

GOP took a huge 10% drop tonight in a very red district. blm Sep 2019 #18

Not compared to 2018. Drunken Irishman Sep 2019 #21

People are used to Nov elections. You WANT to see a horror story blm Sep 2019 #23

What horror story? Control-Z Sep 2019 #33

I wanted to see the Democrats win. Drunken Irishman Sep 2019 #34

Well, McCready is to the right of Biden, so what does that say? blm Sep 2019 #36

Ditto. People will be more likely to come out to vote especially for someone who advocates what most Doitnow Sep 2019 #49

2018 clearly said the issue is trump, not policy. Dems did not flip all those trump seats empedocles Sep 2019 #115

+1000 bigtree Sep 2019 #94

All of us did rockfordfile Sep 2019 #183

But I imagine Dem turnout Turin_C3PO Sep 2019 #16

Right, and repugs under performed by 10+ points. elleng Sep 2019 #17

We need to field candidates for districts that fit the district...we might have won with someone Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #24

The Republicans were found to have committed fraud in the last election and still won. AJT Sep 2019 #28

Fine is not good enough. NYMinute Sep 2019 #46

McCready ran as a centrist blm Sep 2019 #50

He ran in North Carolina NYMinute Sep 2019 #55

Nah. Jeff Jackson would win in that district, and he's a progressive. blm Sep 2019 #59

That district is pretty moderate/leaning right. You have to play to your district. bearsfootball516 Sep 2019 #90

I have no problem with McCready being the dem candidate for the NC 9th TheRealNorth Sep 2019 #190

There are people who think Beto is ultra-revolutionary. RhodeIslandOne Sep 2019 #182

Beto is a center-left progressive NYMinute Sep 2019 #187

Welcome to DU, 5starlib! EndGOPPropaganda Sep 2019 #4

Thank you!! 5starlib Sep 2019 #6

I fear the OP is drawing the wrong lesson. kaiserhog Sep 2019 #8

The OP is not what the 40 or so vulnerable Dems will assume. empedocles Sep 2019 #20

Not attacking anybody. kaiserhog Sep 2019 #51

The GOAL is getting rid of trump. The OP rcognized that. There are two radically empedocles Sep 2019 #88

tRump calls Democrats trhe "far-left", as does the entire frigging GOP. But feed right into it if KPN Sep 2019 #109

Well, I remember tRump sounding just like Bernie toward the end of the 2016 election..... Doitnow Sep 2019 #120

Exactly TheRealNorth Sep 2019 #129

trump is effectively scaring voters away from Biden with 'socialists' and ''far leftists' type Dems. empedocles Sep 2019 #130

These districts will be redrawn for 2020. vsrazdem Sep 2019 #10

Trump won NC9 by 12%. Huge 10% drop. Panic posts are absurd blm Sep 2019 #11

hah i almost word for word said what you said without seeing your post! Tiggeroshii Sep 2019 #14

Yup. KPN Sep 2019 #110

His unpopularity is what brought him down from +12 to +2.3 in 2018 and now. Tiggeroshii Sep 2019 #13

I agree Gothmog Sep 2019 #19

why was McCready not electable ? JI7 Sep 2019 #45

Not getting any answers. blm Sep 2019 #60

Welcome 5starlib! not_the_one Sep 2019 #22

Your fear based defeatism is duly noted Fiendish Thingy Sep 2019 #25

Agreed. It's a fear based agenda. n/t MarcA Sep 2019 #27

Dan McCready is center left. blm Sep 2019 #31

the OP is just talking points without any context JI7 Sep 2019 #47

It's also a fear-based argument to say that nominating a more moderate candidate will suppress highplainsdem Sep 2019 #61

"We simply DON'T KNOW in advance."... TreasonousBastard Sep 2019 #85

THIS KPN Sep 2019 #111

I thought we had already learned THIS in 2016. democratisphere Sep 2019 #26

In the GE? KPN Sep 2019 #112

McCready had no primary challenger. Where was the risk? floppyboo Sep 2019 #29

We will never know, though I suspect the chances in NC were and are not good. At the same time, KPN Sep 2019 #113

McCready is socialist-like? roody Sep 2019 #30

And revolutionary! KPN Sep 2019 #114

Close.... mbusby Sep 2019 #32

How was McCready a Risky Nominee ? JI7 Sep 2019 #35

McCready was the ideal candidate, but the broader point is about 2020 5starlib Sep 2019 #76

Or....maybe people would actually come out to vote for a Democrat LiberalLovinLug Sep 2019 #37

this candidate was different. anyone who didn't vote does not care for a liberal agenda JI7 Sep 2019 #39

We need a safe choice like Kerry or Clinton! nt Gore1FL Sep 2019 #40

That's right, there are no guarantees True Dough Sep 2019 #57

so maybe we need to run Joe Manchin for President. JI7 Sep 2019 #41

Can you tell us how McCready was a Risky Nominee ? JI7 Sep 2019 #42

you are right quickesst Sep 2019 #43

what was wrong with McCready ? JI7 Sep 2019 #44

nothing as far as I know.... quickesst Sep 2019 #52

but the OP is about the race with McCready JI7 Sep 2019 #53

simply put.... quickesst Sep 2019 #58

this district does not make up the politics/demograhpics of the country as a whole. JI7 Sep 2019 #64

this morning's New Hampshire poll.... quickesst Sep 2019 #86

Hillary won New Hampshire in 2016 JI7 Sep 2019 #92

don't know what.... quickesst Sep 2019 #139

So... are you saying we can't afford "Mr. Open Mouth, Insert Foot"? TygrBright Sep 2019 #48

MSNBC reported that the Minority vote under performed aeromanKC Sep 2019 #54

Or a Booker/anyone ticket. n/t pnwmom Sep 2019 #56

Jfc! It's always our fault and not the fault ecstatic Sep 2019 #65

So would a Harris/Buttigieg ticket. SKKY Sep 2019 #118

with Biden SOS aeromanKC Sep 2019 #144

If those three came together and made a deal for this... SKKY Sep 2019 #184

If the system is rigged from within No One is beating the Republican candidate by simply showing up. Ford_Prefect Sep 2019 #62

You make good points ArcticFox Sep 2019 #69

+1000 Duppers Sep 2019 #63

Biden may be a risky nominee Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #66

Warren or Sanders ArcticFox Sep 2019 #70

No they're not.. Not imo. Biden is leading in Cha Sep 2019 #168

There's ZERO evidence Warren is doing any good in any Rust Belt state 5starlib Sep 2019 #78

There is ZERO evidence for your claims Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #137

Remove 'Biden', insert 'any other candidate' and your posts means just as much... or little. LanternWaste Sep 2019 #119

Joe Biden's appeal actually isn't a mystery Gothmog Sep 2019 #126

Has nothing to do with his riskiness as a GE candidate Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #138

Do you really think that this would be an issue in the general vs. trump? Gothmog Sep 2019 #140

Without a doubt it is a concern Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #141

In the real world there are more important things to worry about Gothmog Sep 2019 #142

Here's an opinion piece with the opposite take Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #146

I stopped paying attention to Salon, the Intercept, Greenwald, Cen or TYT a long time ago Gothmog Sep 2019 #149

Attacking the messenger doesn't dispute the message Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #152

LOL Gothmog Sep 2019 #157

Biden voters do not care Gothmog Sep 2019 #143

Unfotunately Biden voters aren't even the majority of Democratic voters, much less GE voters Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #145

According to Nate more Democrats are closer to Biden than sanders or warren on the issues Gothmog Sep 2019 #150

Changing the subject shows the fallacy of your "points" Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #153

Meanwhile in the real world voters know that Joe Biden is the most electable candidate Gothmog Sep 2019 #159

NC-09 Is Nothing Like MI-Wi and PA DallasNE Sep 2019 #67

Post removed Post removed Sep 2019 #71

"Biden is the DNC favorite. He's the preordained nominee. The big donors know he'll vote betsuni Sep 2019 #73

Maybe I'm pessimistic ArcticFox Sep 2019 #77

It's like America's Next Top Model or American Idol or Masterchef. betsuni Sep 2019 #80

You have to be the change treestar Sep 2019 #84

Wow! Cha Sep 2019 #163

What proof is there of that? treestar Sep 2019 #83

Stop with the bullshit right wing language -- KPN Sep 2019 #68

I'm an African-American, proud center-left member of the Democratic Party 5starlib Sep 2019 #74

One, no he doesn't. Two, you didn't limit your comment to Sanders. KPN Sep 2019 #106

He just talked about revolution: betsuni Sep 2019 #75

BS. The word "revolutionary" connotes KPN Sep 2019 #105

Well you should tell Bernie to stop talking about a revolution 5starlib Sep 2019 #121

Bernie has never said he is socialist. He talks about his organization "Our Revolution" not KPN Sep 2019 #123

I'll wait for your apology... 5starlib Sep 2019 #124

Some Sanders supporters don't seem to know him. betsuni Sep 2019 #134

I'm not a Bernie supporter. I'll defend him, yes, because I admire his tenacity in KPN Sep 2019 #156

No, that's not what I meant. betsuni Sep 2019 #158

What don't his supporters know about him? What makes you or anyone else think that you KPN Sep 2019 #161

Lol. Keep dreaming. KPN Sep 2019 #154

Here is Bernie saying "I am a socialist." betsuni Sep 2019 #133

Thanks! 5starlib Sep 2019 #135

You're welcome! betsuni Sep 2019 #136

Have you ever really listened to Sanders? Have you ever listen to how he defines or describes KPN Sep 2019 #160

"It strikes me that Bernie detractors prefer to focus on divisive labels" betsuni Sep 2019 #169

Mic drop 5starlib Sep 2019 #181

Lol. I guess I should have been more specific. And KPN Sep 2019 #185

"I'm not supporting Bernie." "Go ahead and try to discredit and ridicule all you want" betsuni Sep 2019 #189

KPN, those are all examples of government services provided Hortensis Sep 2019 #191

lol..Yes there is BS in his own words actually Cha Sep 2019 #166

Remember, revealing quotes is "bashing." betsuni Sep 2019 #174

lol.. oh "revealing" quotes, Cha Sep 2019 #177

And the billboard truck is fake news! betsuni Sep 2019 #178

Ah yes the revealing mobile vetting machine.. Cha Sep 2019 #180

..... KPN Sep 2019 #186

Have the last word and refute anything on that billboard truck. betsuni Sep 2019 #188

No, you stop calling him a "socialist-like/revolutionary". Your words verbatim. Are you on the KPN Sep 2019 #155

+1 TheRealNorth Sep 2019 #132

As do I obviously. KPN Sep 2019 #162

any worse than "corporatist, Establishment candidate?" treestar Sep 2019 #82

You must be kidding! Yes ... it's GOP talking points labeling. KPN Sep 2019 #104

Yes, how many times has Biden been called the "Establishment" on here? 5starlib Sep 2019 #122

Loaded? He is part of the established party leadership and has been for years. KPN Sep 2019 #167

Biden is an inside the beltway elite. Buzz cook Sep 2019 #172

"Establishment" clearly means "corrupt" the way it's being used. betsuni Sep 2019 #175

Wrong. We need to be more visionary. Go Bernie! Joe941 Sep 2019 #89

I believe you posted this in response to my KPN Sep 2019 #107

Economic models point to a Trump blowout in 2020. Gothmog Sep 2019 #127

Some Elliott Wavers predict a near term dji drop, followed by new highs in 2020. empedocles Sep 2019 #131

I am equally worried. And I'm particularly worried about Joe Biden being our nominee. The polls KPN Sep 2019 #170

Stop insulting her. Cha Sep 2019 #164

I disagree. What I saw was insults ... and I said so. If you see that as insults, I can't help KPN Sep 2019 #171

Congratulations.. you saw I edited. Cha Sep 2019 #176

Yeah, reality checks can be helpful. Nt BootinUp Sep 2019 #72

It's why I'm not supporting Biden for the nomination rpannier Sep 2019 #79

Precisely why Biden won't be the nominee. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2019 #81

If sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states Gothmog Sep 2019 #95

Yea, bullshit. McCready worked hard to avoid calling hinself a democrat ms liberty Sep 2019 #87

That's an accurate assessment. blm Sep 2019 #97

"Hayseeds." Nice insult to NC duers. cwydro Sep 2019 #91

Yes. Probably designed to do so. blm Sep 2019 #96

Spot on. cwydro Sep 2019 #100

Nonsense. Republicans who succeeded in that election because more of them turned out. bigtree Sep 2019 #93

Your fear voting suggests that we should only run Republican lights or conservatives. Autumn Sep 2019 #98

No.. it does Not "suggest" what you're saying at all. Cha Sep 2019 #173

Agreed. It would be a BIG mistake to think we can nominate anyone & they would beat Trump. elocs Sep 2019 #99

"Risky" is in the eye of the voter Tom Rinaldo Sep 2019 #101

Absolutely! redstatebluegirl Sep 2019 #102

Who, in your mind, is risky? Inform us more. Desert Dem Sep 2019 #103

Trump's policies aren't what got him elected. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #108

McCready ran as a centrist TheFarseer Sep 2019 #116

Exactly. Republican-lite won't cut it this time. Ford_Prefect Sep 2019 #148

77,740 votes people. That's all we have to overcome. SKKY Sep 2019 #117

Trump can win with 45% of the vote Gothmog Sep 2019 #125

You could argue the opposite TheRealNorth Sep 2019 #128

We can't afford even half a point. gulliver Sep 2019 #147

K and R oasis Sep 2019 #151

Nonsense Buzz cook Sep 2019 #165

lol.. some don't want this.. Thankfully most of the Cha Sep 2019 #179

The hardest job for the next president may be fixing Trump's mess Gothmog Sep 2019 #192