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dalton99a

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3. Wounds From Military-Style Rifles? 'A Ghastly Thing to See'
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 01:12 PM
Sep 2019
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/04/health/parkland-shooting-victims-ar15.html

Wounds From Military-Style Rifles? ‘A Ghastly Thing to See’
Trauma surgeons tell what it is really like to try to repair such devastating injuries. “Bones are exploded, soft tissue is absolutely destroyed,” one said.
By Gina Kolata and C. J. Chivers
March 4, 2018


Left, an X-ray of a leg showing a bullet wound delivered by an assault rifle used in combat. Right, an X-ray of a leg that sustained a bullet wound from a low-energy bullet, inflicted by a weapon like a handgun in Philadelphia. (Dr. Jeremy W. Cannon)

Perhaps no one knows the devastating wounds inflicted by assault-style rifles better than the trauma surgeons who struggle to repair them. The doctors say they are haunted by their experiences confronting injuries so dire they struggle to find words to describe them.

At a high school in Parkland, Fla., 17 people were recently killed with just such a weapon — a semiautomatic AR-15. It was legal there for Nikolas Cruz, 19, the suspect in the shooting, to buy a civilian version of the military’s standard rifle, while he would have had to be 21 to buy a less powerful and accurate handgun.

Many factors determine the severity of a wound, including a bullet’s mass, velocity and composition, and where it strikes. The AR-15, like the M4 and M16 rifles issued to American soldiers, shoots lightweight, high-speed bullets that can cause grievous bone and soft tissue wounds, in part by turning sideways, or “yawing,” when they hit a person. Surgeons say the weapons produce the same sort of horrific injuries seen on battlefields.

Civilian owners of military-style weapons can also buy soft-nosed or hollow-point ammunition, often used for hunting, that lacks a full metal jacket and can expand and fragment on impact. Such bullets, which can cause wider wound channels, are proscribed in most military use.

A radiologist at the hospital that treated victims of the Parkland attack wrote in The Atlantic about a surgeon there who “opened a young victim in the operating room and found only shreds of the organ that had been hit.”

What follows are the recollections of five trauma surgeons. Three of them served in the military, and they emphasized that their opinions are their own and do not represent those of the armed forces. One has treated civilian victims of such weapons in American cities. And a pediatric surgeon treated victims of a Texas church shooting last year.


An X-ray of a rifle bullet wound to an arm. (Dr. Jeremy W. Cannon)
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It had to be said sooner or later. world wide wally Sep 2019 #1
Agreed. HerbChestnut Sep 2019 #2
Wounds From Military-Style Rifles? 'A Ghastly Thing to See' dalton99a Sep 2019 #3
I think our Congress bdamomma Sep 2019 #28
I think Congress should be shown EXACTLY what Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2019 #43
This is silly hack89 Sep 2019 #49
It's badly framed brooklynite Sep 2019 #4
Agree. But, it sounded good last night, especially focusing on the ammo Hoyt Sep 2019 #15
many pistols are semi-auto Celerity Sep 2019 #48
Maybe just call it buy back. greymattermom Sep 2019 #5
Leave the guns, Take the bullets... Moostache Sep 2019 #6
Unconstitutional hack89 Sep 2019 #50
And even though you can only drive one car at a time, greymattermom Sep 2019 #80
A ban on these weapons will not be enough. Big Blue Marble Sep 2019 #7
You might give them an option to keep it in a secure locker at an approved shooting range. Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2019 #8
right answer but will never happen qazplm135 Sep 2019 #9
The citizens of most countries are not nuts about things that are dangerous as automatic weapons! Big Blue Marble Sep 2019 #13
probably not qazplm135 Sep 2019 #14
I know you are not defending it. Big Blue Marble Sep 2019 #18
I think the difference is technology qazplm135 Sep 2019 #29
You make an excellent point. Big Blue Marble Sep 2019 #33
most def qazplm135 Sep 2019 #36
Yes I love movies. Big Blue Marble Sep 2019 #60
In 1995, political scientist Robert Spitzer said that the modern American gun culture is founded on Celerity Sep 2019 #51
I agree it was founded on these traditions. Big Blue Marble Sep 2019 #59
oh yes, absolutely nt Celerity Sep 2019 #62
Really only about 25% of population are nuts about gunz. Hoyt Sep 2019 #54
Something needs to be done. It's totally out of control. The gun fetish cult needs to be stopped, RKP5637 Sep 2019 #10
people resorting to violence bdamomma Sep 2019 #30
It's incredible! It's all become a total WTF! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2019 #38
Sometimes I think they want some type of dystopian society with people roaming killing RKP5637 Sep 2019 #42
That somehow J_William_Ryan Sep 2019 #85
It needs to be culture change. n/t RKP5637 Sep 2019 #86
Here is Beto's campaign explanation for how this would work essadaw Sep 2019 #11
The explanations are weak and muddled. They answer nothing. Straw Man Sep 2019 #68
My problem is with the people that flaunt these weapons in public... kentuck Sep 2019 #12
They are insecure assholes who like to bully people with their toys. dalton99a Sep 2019 #21
My father was in law enforcement for over 30 years Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2019 #44
It means customerserviceguy Sep 2019 #16
Loved it. We were much better off when the assault weapon ban was in effect. Vinca Sep 2019 #17
Loved it! broiles Sep 2019 #19
Me too, he was brave to say it and it had to be said. I think it will help him too. n/t monmouth4 Sep 2019 #20
I'm for a ban. I'm definitely for a voluntary buyback. Undecided on mandatory buyback DrToast Sep 2019 #22
I agree with him, but it's political suicide. LincolnRossiter Sep 2019 #23
What do I think? A good start. Seriously, Beto has signed off on his political career in Texas, but Hekate Sep 2019 #24
I agree. Beto is on a mission! 42bambi Sep 2019 #79
It's a bad idea. Or in Beto-speak, "It's fukt up!" aikoaiko Sep 2019 #25
I agree... VarryOn Sep 2019 #55
It's long overdue. The sooner we start it, the better. LonePirate Sep 2019 #26
+1 K&R onetexan Sep 2019 #27
I like it melman Sep 2019 #31
The vast majority of Americans see no need for the weapons of war. guillaumeb Sep 2019 #32
I am ready for the list of candidates to dwindle so folks like Beto GumboYaYa Sep 2019 #34
Beto shows leadership andym Sep 2019 #35
I think it is a foolish and damaging proposal which is destined to fail Devil Child Sep 2019 #37
I think the word "confiscate" is not a good word to use. Doreen Sep 2019 #39
That was the one line in the entire debate the doc03 Sep 2019 #40
A Texas Congressman Basically Tweeted a Death Threat DrFunkenstein Sep 2019 #41
He lost me forever. aikoaiko Sep 2019 #46
I love it. ElementaryPenguin Sep 2019 #45
Desperation hack89 Sep 2019 #47
It sounds great and has a certain appeal to human necessity defacto7 Sep 2019 #52
Excellent ... GeorgeGist Sep 2019 #53
No. It will be a hurdle to just get them banned from being sold. Chemisse Sep 2019 #56
Bold, direct and brave Politicub Sep 2019 #57
Think it was wonderful and stupid. Amimnoch Sep 2019 #58
You're voting based on your fears instead of your heart nt liskddksil Sep 2019 #65
Voting your heart is stupid. Codeine Sep 2019 #71
Neither fear nor heart. Logic, reason, and analyzing. Amimnoch Sep 2019 #72
Totally agree Bev54 Sep 2019 #61
A ban and a voluntary buyback would start a natural process for eliminating them. gulliver Sep 2019 #63
The BOR is our social contract. k2qb3 Sep 2019 #64
Even David Jolly (Republican) agrees that this is sound strategy liskddksil Sep 2019 #66
I think he meant a buy back. I want this! The Constitution only guarantees flint lock guns. McCamy Taylor Sep 2019 #67
Yes, he meant mandatory buyback dalton99a Sep 2019 #69
Nowhere does the Constitution refer to flintlocks. Straw Man Sep 2019 #75
Its a good first step, but let's be honest, most gun deaths aren't from Assault Rifles, but... Humanist_Activist Sep 2019 #70
I like it. (n/t) Iggo Sep 2019 #73
Principles over politics! How refreshing! Makes the Whole Democratic Party look good. McCamy Taylor Sep 2019 #74
Did any candidates agree with Beto? Polybius Sep 2019 #76
They all praised his compassion and courage but no, none of them committed political suicide. McCamy Taylor Sep 2019 #77
Again, what Beto did is important because it Made the Whole Democratic Party Look Good. McCamy Taylor Sep 2019 #78
It is, hands down, the most effective soundbite for galvanizing the opposition LongtimeAZDem Sep 2019 #81
Foolish selfish move by Beto creeksneakers2 Sep 2019 #82
I like it lunamagica Sep 2019 #83
Beto Deserves Credit for His Courage waterwatcher123 Sep 2019 #84
Don't use the word confiscate... use mandatory buy back. Joe941 Sep 2019 #87
Mandatory buy back equals confiscation Devil Child Sep 2019 #88
It's called marketing and branding. Which makes a difference. Joe941 Sep 2019 #89
How does someone, like the federal government, Seeking Serenity Sep 2019 #90
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