A ban on these weapons will not be enough. (Reply #7)

In the discussion thread: What did you think of Beto O'Rourke's idea of confiscating AK-47s and AR-15s? [View all]

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:17 PM

7. A ban on these weapons will not be enough.

Millions are out there:.

"As of 2012, there are an estimated 2.5–3.7 million rifles from just the AR-15 family of rifles in civilian use in the United States; the total number of assault weapons in the United States among all types is not known, and can not be known because of the different definitions in different jurisdictions."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon.

Voluntary buybacks will fail, as the most dangerous, paranoid owners will keep them.

Confiscation will only partly be effective and most likely lead to violence and a thriving
black market with criminals making fortunes. Think Prohibition.

We need to change our culture; that will take time and only be partly successful. We live
amidst a huge gun cult. It grew around us and now we are paying the price in deaths
and destruction with little recourse in the short term.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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90 replies	Author	Time	Post
What did you think of Beto O'Rourke's idea of confiscating AK-47s and AR-15s? [View all]	kentuck	Sep 2019	OP
It had to be said sooner or later.	world wide wally	Sep 2019	#1
Agreed.	HerbChestnut	Sep 2019	#2
Wounds From Military-Style Rifles? 'A Ghastly Thing to See'	dalton99a	Sep 2019	#3
I think our Congress	bdamomma	Sep 2019	#28
I think Congress should be shown EXACTLY what	Haggis for Breakfast	Sep 2019	#43
This is silly	hack89	Sep 2019	#49
It's badly framed	brooklynite	Sep 2019	#4
Agree. But, it sounded good last night, especially focusing on the ammo	Hoyt	Sep 2019	#15
many pistols are semi-auto	Celerity	Sep 2019	#48
Maybe just call it buy back.	greymattermom	Sep 2019	#5
Leave the guns, Take the bullets...	Moostache	Sep 2019	#6
Unconstitutional	hack89	Sep 2019	#50
And even though you can only drive one car at a time,	greymattermom	Sep 2019	#80
A ban on these weapons will not be enough.	Big Blue Marble	Sep 2019	#7
You might give them an option to keep it in a secure locker at an approved shooting range.	Gidney N Cloyd	Sep 2019	#8
right answer but will never happen	qazplm135	Sep 2019	#9
The citizens of most countries are not nuts about things that are dangerous as automatic weapons!	Big Blue Marble	Sep 2019	#13
probably not	qazplm135	Sep 2019	#14
I know you are not defending it.	Big Blue Marble	Sep 2019	#18
I think the difference is technology	qazplm135	Sep 2019	#29
You make an excellent point.	Big Blue Marble	Sep 2019	#33
most def	qazplm135	Sep 2019	#36
Yes I love movies.	Big Blue Marble	Sep 2019	#60
In 1995, political scientist Robert Spitzer said that the modern American gun culture is founded on	Celerity	Sep 2019	#51
I agree it was founded on these traditions.	Big Blue Marble	Sep 2019	#59
oh yes, absolutely nt	Celerity	Sep 2019	#62
Really only about 25% of population are nuts about gunz.	Hoyt	Sep 2019	#54
Something needs to be done. It's totally out of control. The gun fetish cult needs to be stopped,	RKP5637	Sep 2019	#10
people resorting to violence	bdamomma	Sep 2019	#30
It's incredible! It's all become a total WTF! n/t	RKP5637	Sep 2019	#38
Sometimes I think they want some type of dystopian society with people roaming killing	RKP5637	Sep 2019	#42
That somehow	J_William_Ryan	Sep 2019	#85
It needs to be culture change. n/t	RKP5637	Sep 2019	#86
Here is Beto's campaign explanation for how this would work	essadaw	Sep 2019	#11
The explanations are weak and muddled. They answer nothing.	Straw Man	Sep 2019	#68
My problem is with the people that flaunt these weapons in public...	kentuck	Sep 2019	#12
They are insecure assholes who like to bully people with their toys.	dalton99a	Sep 2019	#21
My father was in law enforcement for over 30 years	Haggis for Breakfast	Sep 2019	#44
It means	customerserviceguy	Sep 2019	#16
Loved it. We were much better off when the assault weapon ban was in effect.	Vinca	Sep 2019	#17
Loved it!	broiles	Sep 2019	#19
Me too, he was brave to say it and it had to be said. I think it will help him too. n/t	monmouth4	Sep 2019	#20
I'm for a ban. I'm definitely for a voluntary buyback. Undecided on mandatory buyback	DrToast	Sep 2019	#22
I agree with him, but it's political suicide.	LincolnRossiter	Sep 2019	#23
What do I think? A good start. Seriously, Beto has signed off on his political career in Texas, but	Hekate	Sep 2019	#24
I agree. Beto is on a mission!	42bambi	Sep 2019	#79
It's a bad idea. Or in Beto-speak, "It's fukt up!"	aikoaiko	Sep 2019	#25
I agree...	VarryOn	Sep 2019	#55
It's long overdue. The sooner we start it, the better.	LonePirate	Sep 2019	#26
+1 K&R	onetexan	Sep 2019	#27
I like it	melman	Sep 2019	#31
The vast majority of Americans see no need for the weapons of war.	guillaumeb	Sep 2019	#32
I am ready for the list of candidates to dwindle so folks like Beto	GumboYaYa	Sep 2019	#34
Beto shows leadership	andym	Sep 2019	#35
I think it is a foolish and damaging proposal which is destined to fail	Devil Child	Sep 2019	#37
I think the word "confiscate" is not a good word to use.	Doreen	Sep 2019	#39
That was the one line in the entire debate the	doc03	Sep 2019	#40
A Texas Congressman Basically Tweeted a Death Threat	DrFunkenstein	Sep 2019	#41
He lost me forever.	aikoaiko	Sep 2019	#46
I love it.	ElementaryPenguin	Sep 2019	#45
Desperation	hack89	Sep 2019	#47
It sounds great and has a certain appeal to human necessity	defacto7	Sep 2019	#52
Excellent ...	GeorgeGist	Sep 2019	#53
No. It will be a hurdle to just get them banned from being sold.	Chemisse	Sep 2019	#56
Bold, direct and brave	Politicub	Sep 2019	#57
Think it was wonderful and stupid.	Amimnoch	Sep 2019	#58
You're voting based on your fears instead of your heart nt	liskddksil	Sep 2019	#65
Voting your heart is stupid.	Codeine	Sep 2019	#71
Neither fear nor heart. Logic, reason, and analyzing.	Amimnoch	Sep 2019	#72
Totally agree	Bev54	Sep 2019	#61
A ban and a voluntary buyback would start a natural process for eliminating them.	gulliver	Sep 2019	#63
The BOR is our social contract.	k2qb3	Sep 2019	#64
Even David Jolly (Republican) agrees that this is sound strategy	liskddksil	Sep 2019	#66
I think he meant a buy back. I want this! The Constitution only guarantees flint lock guns.	McCamy Taylor	Sep 2019	#67
Yes, he meant mandatory buyback	dalton99a	Sep 2019	#69
Nowhere does the Constitution refer to flintlocks.	Straw Man	Sep 2019	#75
Its a good first step, but let's be honest, most gun deaths aren't from Assault Rifles, but...	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2019	#70
I like it. (n/t)	Iggo	Sep 2019	#73
Principles over politics! How refreshing! Makes the Whole Democratic Party look good.	McCamy Taylor	Sep 2019	#74
Did any candidates agree with Beto?	Polybius	Sep 2019	#76
They all praised his compassion and courage but no, none of them committed political suicide.	McCamy Taylor	Sep 2019	#77
Again, what Beto did is important because it Made the Whole Democratic Party Look Good.	McCamy Taylor	Sep 2019	#78
It is, hands down, the most effective soundbite for galvanizing the opposition	LongtimeAZDem	Sep 2019	#81
Foolish selfish move by Beto	creeksneakers2	Sep 2019	#82
I like it	lunamagica	Sep 2019	#83
Beto Deserves Credit for His Courage	waterwatcher123	Sep 2019	#84
Don't use the word confiscate... use mandatory buy back.	Joe941	Sep 2019	#87
Mandatory buy back equals confiscation	Devil Child	Sep 2019	#88
It's called marketing and branding. Which makes a difference.	Joe941	Sep 2019	#89
How does someone, like the federal government,	Seeking Serenity	Sep 2019	#90

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