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pnwmom

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70. Exactly. And a more moderate candidate could actually help in getting Independents

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 11:44 PM

Mar 2019

and never Trumpers.

It seems strange that he would be pushing his progressive bona-fides so hard, and that people here would be outraged on his behalf.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Why does Biden claim he has "the most progressive record of anyone running"? [View all] pnwmom Mar 2019 OP

Because to be a "progressive" means moving things forwards (positively). CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #1

He's the only "progressive" with a record of voting against busing for desegregation, repeatedly pnwmom Mar 2019 #2

Biden took the correct stance on forced school bussing IMO. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #19

Those that use the busing issue to be critical of Biden do not realize what a disaster that was still_one Mar 2019 #61

No kidding; I remember watching it on the news every night. It was a war zone. LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #66

But some of Biden's statements do not sit well with me womanofthehills Mar 2019 #80

Anita Hill Still Rankles Me. Mar 2019 #26

You are not alone BlueMTexpat Mar 2019 #37

... Me. Mar 2019 #40

slam dunk. ucrdem Mar 2019 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Mar 2019 #44

Because anybody can say anything they want Renew Deal Mar 2019 #3

It's true that he's more progressive than Elizabeth Warren? LOL. n/t pnwmom Mar 2019 #4

Warren ran down the TPP for reasons that remain mysterious. ucrdem Mar 2019 #6

What does progressive really mean? Renew Deal Mar 2019 #7

Not what he said. Igel Mar 2019 #8

What has she done? How about the Consumer Protection Agency? pnwmom Mar 2019 #10

For most of the time Biden was in the Senate... OilemFirchen Mar 2019 #14

During the period of time when they were BOTH in the Senate, her record was much more progressive.nt pnwmom Mar 2019 #17

Warren won election in 2012 karynnj Mar 2019 #36

DU'ers told me in 2004 that Kerry was a "centrist Democrat". Tired of the label emulatorloo Mar 2019 #79

I so agree with you on these labels karynnj Mar 2019 #81

Thanks for the long reply. We are pretty much on the same page when it comes to 2020 emulatorloo Mar 2019 #82

He'll say that he evolved. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #9

He's muddying his message and I don't think it will work. marylandblue Mar 2019 #11

Not really, I heard it as he knew was going to be muddied, and R B Garr Mar 2019 #12

It really can be difined in numerous ways. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #13

He's an old-school progressive. OilemFirchen Mar 2019 #15

LOL. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #16

Old school progressives didn't usually lead campaigns against school busing. n/t pnwmom Mar 2019 #18

Which self-styled "progressives" are running on bringing back 70s-style forced bussing? CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #20

Old school progressives also didn't support the banking industry over people with onerous pnwmom Mar 2019 #21

Can I take the dodge of my question as a tacit admission that you concede the point? CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #22

Can I take the dodge of my question as a tacit admission that you concede the point pnwmom Mar 2019 #24

Why would Biden have to be constrained by Warren's R B Garr Mar 2019 #25

Because their years of public service are the only part of their record that matters. n/t pnwmom Mar 2019 #30

They both haven't served the exact same time/years. nt R B Garr Mar 2019 #42

Elizabeth Warren never introduced a bill like the Civil Forfeitures act, Biden's bill, pnwmom Mar 2019 #45

Biden has more to his record than the 4 items you R B Garr Mar 2019 #48

If you read the MSNBC article in the OP, there are more than 4 items. He was considered to be pnwmom Mar 2019 #51

Actually, there are about 4 actual voted on items. The rest R B Garr Mar 2019 #54

How is he the most progressive, given even those 4 items? How could the most progressive pnwmom Mar 2019 #55

Progressive isn't just what Justice Democrats, Brand New Congress R B Garr Mar 2019 #56

Biden affected many more lives with his civil asset forfeiture bill than EW, as a private citizen, pnwmom Mar 2019 #57

There are stories of Warren flipping foreclosed R B Garr Mar 2019 #59

The houses that she bought had already been lost to foreclosure before she purchased them. pnwmom Mar 2019 #60

She profited on distressed properties. Who else did that? R B Garr Mar 2019 #62

Adding to the demand side for foreclosed properties only incentivized banks to CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #67

Not a bit. First Joe Biden's career isn't limited to the Senate as he as VP CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #29

Vice Presidents don't write or vote on legislation. n/t pnwmom Mar 2019 #49

So? They still influence policy and can have a real world impact advancing progress. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #50

Please give a single concrete example of how he advanced progress as V.P., pnwmom Mar 2019 #52

Gun control, PPACA, to begin with ucrdem Mar 2019 #58

Yep, he also led the Administration to openly support marriage equality. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #68

Sen. Coons from Delaware was on This Week this morning R B Garr Mar 2019 #72

I agree. I caught that myself live. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #73

Indeed he did. His statement apparently forced Obama's hand from what I have read. emulatorloo Mar 2019 #78

plus 1 million Celerity Mar 2019 #46

+1. His 2005 bankruptcy "reform" effectively enslaved millions of Americans to the banks for life dalton99a Mar 2019 #47

That's certainly a blemish in his past. OilemFirchen Mar 2019 #23

Not a blemish. He looked past the orthodoxy of the left and saw a remedy CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #32

It's a blemish. OilemFirchen Mar 2019 #33

If being correct on an issue is a "blemish" then I'll back Scarface. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #43

There are plenty of issues to debate against Biden, but I wouldn't use bussing. Bussing was a still_one Mar 2019 #63

maybe he means actually getting things done which includes 2008 and 2012 elections JI7 Mar 2019 #27

Biden's candidacy is a tale of generational changes Otto Lidenbrock Mar 2019 #28

And many would argue that we're now at a time of generational change crazycatlady Mar 2019 #41

Perhaps he's misinformed? comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #31

8 years as Obama's right-hand man is enough for me. The Obama/Biden ticket delivered real progress. Doodley Mar 2019 #34

Biden is progressive on most of the issues still_one Mar 2019 #64

Joe is not now BlueMTexpat Mar 2019 #35

Don't forget civil asset forfeiture Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #38

Thank you. I didn't know this, and this is very important. I've added this to the OP. nt pnwmom Mar 2019 #39

+1. Another barbaric act against the poor and minorities dalton99a Mar 2019 #53

Because he's gaffe prone. nt Autumn Mar 2019 #65

I don't know. Turin_C3PO Mar 2019 #69

Exactly. And a more moderate candidate could actually help in getting Independents pnwmom Mar 2019 #70

Right now I'm backing Biden Turin_C3PO Mar 2019 #71

That's sort of where I am. He might actually win by playing toward his more moderate past. pnwmom Mar 2019 #74

Joe Biden is the most electable candidate that the Democratic Party has available Gothmog Mar 2019 #75

I get it. You hate Biden. The majority of Democrats don't agree emulatorloo Mar 2019 #76

Because... Mike Nelson Mar 2019 #77