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Pantagruel

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7. Good ideas posted 9/14
Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:39 AM
Sep 2019

McCamy Taylor posted on 9/14
Talking Points for Medicare 4 All from a Public Health Physician

Hi. You may or may not remember that in addition to being a primary care physician working in a not for profit publicly funded health care system (not saying which one), I also have a Master's Public Health. So, here are some talking points to help sell Medicare 4 All.

Talking Points for the General Public:

1. Number one--it will save money in the long run. How? Because once Americans have cradle to grave coverage with the same insurer, that insurer (Medicare) will have a tremendous financial incentive to invest in disease prevention. Current Medicare, which only covers you once you are old and sick, gains nothing by investing in disease prevention. Medicare is too busy scrambling like crazy to pay for the consequences of decades of health neglect to take time to invest in disease prevention. And your private insurance, which only covers you until you are old/sick (and get on Medicare), also gains nothing from disease prevention.

2. All this investment in disease prevention to save money down the road (and we are not talking next century here, we are talking in the next two to three decades) will also make Americans healthier. And healthier means less pain, more happiness, longer lives, better quality of life.

Right now the only "cradle to grave" single payer in this country is the VHA--the Veterans Health Administration. And it is not really cradle to grave. It is honorable discharge to grave. But that is close enough for the purposes of this essay. Because the VA promises to take care of veterans health forever, it invests in disease prevention. The VA studied aspirin's effects in preventing heart attack. No Big Pharm would have done that--aspirin is a cheap generic. The VA developed the shingles vaccine. It developed the new injectable alternative to statins for those who can not take statins. It supplies diabetic socks because it would rather prevent the diabetic foot ulcer than amputate your foot. It pays for vitamins and nutritional supplements, because it would rather keep you well nourished than try to put you back together once malnutrition wrecks your health. When the VA comes up with a cheap and easy way to prevent disease( and suffering), the VA reaps a direct economic benefit which allows it to stay solvent.

Ever wonder why West Europeans/Canadians pay half per year of what we do in this country for health care and yet are so much healthier? It is because their cradle to grave single payer health plans have an economic incentive to invest pennies in disease prevention now to avoid paying gazillions of dollars down the line to treat horrible disease like heart failure and cancer.

Ever wonder why the VA is under attack? Because the VA model, even more than Medicare is the winning health care model. The one that gives the greatest benefits for the least cost. But Big Pharm all over the world makes a killing in the US. The manufacturers of durable medical goods including artificial joints all over the world make a killing in the US. Hospitals make a killing in the US. Literally. They are killing us with preventable disease so they can make money.

This is the same reason that the UK's National Health is under attack. These are the world's two biggest single payer __to grave plans. Don't be fooled by Twitter trolls. People in the UK love their guaranteed health care. Veterans love their guaranteed health care. Why? If a veteran is told that he has heart disease and needs surgery or cancer and needs chemotherapy, the first words out of his mouth are not "Will I have to put a second mortgage on my house to pay for this?" For the veteran, sickness does not equal bankruptcy and poverty.

So, when talking M4A, remember these two key points 1) It will keep you healthier and 2) After an initial start up investment, it will save this country about 1-2 trillion dollars a year once it is up and running. (Based upon current annual US health care spending) And this is not even factoring in increase worker productivity.

Talking Points for Targeted Audiences:

For 20 somethings who think that they are immortal and invincible, selling disease prevention is not easy. However, there is actually an easy way to get their attention. Point out how overweight and unhealthy their parents and grandparents are. Ask them "Do you want to end up like them? Wouldn't you rather be better than your parents and grandparents?" (Young people always want to believe that they can change the world for the better) Sell the 20 somethings on better health.

For seniors who love their Medicare to death and who are afraid that if they have to share it with younger folks there will not be enough Medicare left over for them remind them that this will keep Medicare solvent. Everyone will pay (small compared to traditional insurance) premiums. People coming into the system will be healthier and stay healthier. More people in the system means that the system will be self sustaining. Old folks ought to be worried as hell that if something is not done now to increase Medicare enrollment, eventually Medicare will be so crowded with high utilizers that it will collapse. Sell the seniors on Medicare solvency.

For middle aged people who have fairly decent private insurance through their jobs or that they purchase for themselves, remind them that their out of pocket on Medicare will be lower than even the most platinum plated private insurance. Including the monthly premiums, the average Medicare patients pays around $7000 a year out of pocket (not counting medications that is a whole other issue). (For comparison, I have platinum plated federal health insurance and for two folks it averages to around $8000 per year per person out of pocket.) M4A means every American will have out of pocket that is actually less than Congressional Insurance! Yippee!

For middle aged people who do not have insurance, M4A sells itself. They are putting off their hysterectomy or mammogram or heart surgery because they cannot afford these things. They lost their jobs because they were too sick to work and now they run a cash register at 7-11 and are praying they live long enough to get Medicare.


1. In states that took the Medicaid expansion, small towns were able to open new clinics and hospitals (compare rural Colorado and New Mexico to rural Texas). Medicare 4A would have an even greater effect on small towns. And once there are doctors and hospitals then companies and jobs could relocate to small towns. So M4A is great for rural America!

2. M4A will mean more emphasis on disease prevention meaning a greater demand for primary care physicians. We can either continue to import them from other countries where the cost of going to medical school does not put you half a million dollars in debt. Or, we can do medical school debt forgiveness for docs who go into primary care. Primary care is much more fun than specialty care. But many medical students give up their dream of being an all around doctor (think Marcus Welby) because it would take them too long to pay back their loans on what a pediatrician or family doctor makes. So M4A means more primary care doctors. Meaning it will no longer be easier to find an orthopedist to replace your knee (next day) versus a primary care doctor to treat your diabetes (never in some areas where primary care is no longer accepting new diabetic patients)<--- this is an absolutely true story. As a nation we ought to be scared that it is easier to get a new knee than to get your blood sugar under control.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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I favor which ever one is most popular and will win us the election. Then get to work on the best dem4decades Sep 2019 #1
Medicare for all HopeAgain Sep 2019 #2
Care to elaborate kennetha Sep 2019 #3
She just gave you a serious argument. DemocracyMouse Sep 2019 #52
Not in my case... OneGrassRoot Sep 2019 #5
Affordable for you, maybe HopeAgain Sep 2019 #36
I absolutely agree it should be a right for all... OneGrassRoot Sep 2019 #44
ACA expansion would work better if EVERY state takes the Medicaid yellowdogintexas Sep 2019 #16
Right that was the law! kennetha Sep 2019 #20
How will you pay for it-societal savings are not tax revenues and cannot be used to pay for MFA Gothmog Sep 2019 #53
My mom was on ACA when she got cancer. Eko Oct 2019 #85
ACA has too many short falls. Prosper Sep 2019 #4
Poor people subsidizing rich people??? kennetha Sep 2019 #6
Traditional Medicare has copays and deductibles too but they are yellowdogintexas Sep 2019 #15
In 2019 the maxmium deductible allowed by the ACA is dflprincess Sep 2019 #33
Almost half of the members can't afford co-pays Prosper Sep 2019 #38
Underinsured means having insurance and can't use it. Prosper Sep 2019 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Prosper Sep 2019 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Prosper Sep 2019 #40
See 38 Prosper Sep 2019 #41
It is so easy to knock something with made up assumptions when what you support isn't even defined. wasupaloopa Sep 2019 #9
Nothing made up about ACA. Prosper Sep 2019 #31
This whole debate is about adding a public option. With that all your points are null and void wasupaloopa Sep 2019 #51
Completing the ACA would allow anyone who wanted it to sign Hortensis Sep 2019 #22
Good ideas posted 9/14 Pantagruel Sep 2019 #7
Private insurance gains nothing from disease prevention ?? kennetha Sep 2019 #8
This is rediculous. Desease prevention starts and ends with the individual. You can't force wasupaloopa Sep 2019 #10
Offering important screenings without deductible or copay yellowdogintexas Sep 2019 #18
Offering the screening with copays & deductibles is great dflprincess Sep 2019 #34
Thank you. Prosper Sep 2019 #56
So are you, or are you not, a Blue Dog Democrat? Could we clarify that? YOHABLO Sep 2019 #11
No kennetha Sep 2019 #12
Why did you give two of the same option? TCJ70 Sep 2019 #13
Universal Coverage is the end kennetha Sep 2019 #14
Medicare For All Who Want It. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2019 #17
Vote DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2019 #19
Offer both. Seriously. yellowdogintexas Sep 2019 #21
The Supremes said the law authorizing Medicaid would have to be rewritten! kennetha Sep 2019 #23
Yes. Anything that leaves no Americans without healthcare coverage is Politicub Sep 2019 #24
ACA Expansion Baked Potato Sep 2019 #25
Medicare for all - we need to nationlize healthcare bitterross Sep 2019 #26
Medicare For All because it is immoral to make profits from denying people healthcare. Nanjeanne Sep 2019 #27
Medicare for All. Why? KPN Sep 2019 #28
Medicare for all. ACA really was unaffordable for too many. Joe941 Sep 2019 #29
Warren and Sanders say Americans don't like their health insurance. Polls don't back that up. Gothmog Sep 2019 #30
MFA is a pipe dream & promises everything but has little to no chance elocs Sep 2019 #32
I'm not in favor of leaving 10 million people uninsured wellst0nev0ter Sep 2019 #35
Medicare buy in option for the ACA exchanges krawhitham Sep 2019 #37
Speaker Pelosi-There's no need to reinvent health care -- just improve Obamacare Gothmog Sep 2019 #43
Buttigieg tells Medicare-for-all proponents to show their cards Gothmog Sep 2019 #45
+10000 emmaverybo Sep 2019 #55
Interesting thread... Zaphod42 Sep 2019 #46
Why is healthcare more expensive here? Blue_true Sep 2019 #48
I favor ACA expansion if the following are met. Blue_true Sep 2019 #47
Medicare for all, but I absolutely believe that the ACA, if allowed... SKKY Sep 2019 #49
The ACA actually exists in the real world. People are much more comradebillyboy Sep 2019 #50
It's not completely a binary choice Midnightwalk Sep 2019 #54
Start with Medicare for all and compromise down to ACA/public option IronLionZion Sep 2019 #57
NBC/WSJ poll shows Biden's healthcare stance (optional Medicare buy-in) much more popular Gothmog Sep 2019 #58
The ACA...MFA will never happen and why would we start over? Americans like the ACA and would Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #59
Voters will not tolerate an additional 10 or 15% paycheck deduction to fund M4A madville Sep 2019 #60
I'd like to go to Medicare for all; I don't think you can sell it in this election. brooklynite Sep 2019 #61
ACA expansion. nt Blue_true Sep 2019 #62
I'll go first. ACA expansion. trueblue2007 Sep 2019 #63
MFA with an optional opt-out andym Sep 2019 #64
Why Elizabeth Warren won't talk about the cost of 'Medicare for All' Gothmog Oct 2019 #71
She now has. She claims it will put 11 trillion dollars of savings in the pocket of the middle class andym Nov 2019 #87
I'm tired, and I could (really) write a short book on this, so I'll keep it short Algernon Moncrieff Sep 2019 #65
Medicare for All Eric J in MN Sep 2019 #66
Improve BOTH Medicare and Obamacare and begin phasing out the patchwork... TreasonousBastard Sep 2019 #67
Obamacare Has Made People Healthier Gothmog Oct 2019 #68
73% of people favor [the] public option that would keep private insurance in place Gothmog Oct 2019 #69
Support for a public option has been increasing, and for Medicare-for-All has been decreasing Gothmog Oct 2019 #70
Choices for Financing Medicare for All: A Preliminary Analysis Gothmog Oct 2019 #72
If those projection are anywhere close, MFA ain't gonna happen without big changes. That's unlikely. Hoyt Oct 2019 #77
I favor not being lectured to about what's "possible" Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #73
MFA. There is really nothing else that will work. nt Autumn Oct 2019 #74
A dose of reality for Medicare-for-all Gothmog Oct 2019 #75
That's depressing. But why Vermont, Colorado and Cal abandoned consideration of single-payer quickly Hoyt Oct 2019 #78
Vermont was unable to adopt a single payer plan Gothmog Oct 2019 #79
Yep. I figured the legislators in all those states just didn't have the guts to tell voters what it Hoyt Oct 2019 #81
ACA Expansion redstatebluegirl Oct 2019 #76
ACA expansion. nt lamp_shade Oct 2019 #80
MFA: everyone should have comprehensive health care. Voltaire2 Oct 2019 #82
Based on tax revenue JT45242 Oct 2019 #83
Honestly not sure. redqueen Oct 2019 #84
A good rule of thumb: Don't get to Pelosi's left Gothmog Oct 2019 #86
ACA expansion. Because it is feasible in any congress makeup we could imagine in 2021 scheming daemons Nov 2019 #88
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