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CTyankee

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49. It seems to me that the answer to your first question is yes. Why?

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:20 PM

Sep 2019

Because employers look for the best employees, who of course they need to pay. With health coverage out of the picture they can offer more in salary than they would have had to pay in health care costs.

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Why single payer died in Vermont [View all] George II Sep 2019 OP

Was doomed to fail. drray23 Sep 2019 #1

correct qazplm135 Sep 2019 #3

But California IS trying and they're running into many problems too DrToast Sep 2019 #4

Vermont already had high taxes, on income, retirement, sales...one factor was that Vermont emmaverybo Sep 2019 #28

That is why it is so important to know exactly how much it will cost, and where the money will still_one Sep 2019 #2

Even the smaller countries in Europe can do this in one form or another of universal coverage. CTyankee Sep 2019 #5

Nearly all of them have VAT of 15-20% MichMan Sep 2019 #29

I am not an economist. However, it seems to me that you would have to look at the bigger CTyankee Sep 2019 #32

Even though all of those countries have liberal histories, Blue_true Sep 2019 #38

Haven't read up on their relative right wing policies but I haven't hear anything about their CTyankee Sep 2019 #39

It's not a question if they want to change their system to ours... MichMan Sep 2019 #45

Before we get to that, let's not skip over another option: Warren's tax reform plan whereby CTyankee Sep 2019 #48

Yes. Almost all the transfer of wealth has been from the higher-taxed Hortensis Sep 2019 #57

I like Senator Warren's plan. Blue_true Sep 2019 #58

Europeans like government, Americans don't...that's the big difference 5starlib Sep 2019 #40

Was it Denmark that got the highest grade on the "happiness" metric for their country? CTyankee Sep 2019 #42

It's the culture here that is different. 5starlib Sep 2019 #43

I mentioned earlier about this "not trusting the government" thing with what I like to say: CTyankee Sep 2019 #46

Would I not have to pay for my insurance premiums and deductibles? Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2019 #41

It seems to me that the answer to your first question is yes. Why? CTyankee Sep 2019 #49

AHA! Me. Sep 2019 #6

The problem with a State-based system, is that you can always cross the border brooklynite Sep 2019 #7

I agree with others that seeing the numbers is vitally important Docreed2003 Sep 2019 #8

Yes, the devil is in the details peggysue2 Sep 2019 #13

I remember hearing some of your hypotheticals during the Obamacare debate. CTyankee Sep 2019 #50

I think the difference in Obamacare is that it didn't fundamentally change the system Docreed2003 Sep 2019 #53

Shouldn't the FIRST question be: why are we out of step with every other country in the world CTyankee Sep 2019 #54

Buzz phrases don't necessarily make good policy. Nt BootinUp Sep 2019 #9

Green Mountain Care didn't fail for the lack of trying peggysue2 Sep 2019 #10

You point out a very important aspect of this issue. People sometimes mix "health care coverage"... George II Sep 2019 #14

I guess people LOVE paying $400 for insulin wellst0nev0ter Sep 2019 #19

My husband's diabetic peggysue2 Sep 2019 #30

Funny, public option alone won't bring down drug prices either wellst0nev0ter Sep 2019 #36

Excellent points. A great deal of political capital was spent on getting Obamacare done. I am in emmaverybo Sep 2019 #31

It seems to me, emmaverybo that . . . peggysue2 Sep 2019 #33

It also failed in California and Colorado, primarily because legislators didn't have the guts Hoyt Sep 2019 #11

That's the nuts and bolts, Hoyt peggysue2 Sep 2019 #15

I also suspect that voters think they're bullet proof and won't incur those health care items that CTyankee Sep 2019 #20

Agree completely. Always hate posting that opinion, knowing the "big idea" folks will bash me. :) Hoyt Sep 2019 #24

Quote from Mozloom.................National Federation of Independent Businesses turbinetree Sep 2019 #12

K&R for visibility lunamagica Sep 2019 #16

Adopting single payer in the US will be a major effort Gothmog Sep 2019 #17

There's another elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about. A good percentage of Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #18

It may come to prohibiting certain unhealthy things or... VarryOn Sep 2019 #21

Yes, those things all work!! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #35

So what about the food deserts in urban areas? 5starlib Sep 2019 #44

All I'm saying is you have to start somewhere and do what you can! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #55

There just isn't enough money NYMinute Sep 2019 #22

Where do you get your numbers? subterranean Sep 2019 #37

Most people like their insurance coverage Progressive dog Sep 2019 #23

K&R nt BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #25

Yup. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2019 #26

Sanders did nothing to help with this either JI7 Sep 2019 #27

They couldn't get access to the existing federal monies. zipplewrath Sep 2019 #34

I don't care... myohmy2 Sep 2019 #47

apples and oranges. Kurt V. Sep 2019 #51

Single payer is a looming Dem disaster for 2020! empedocles Sep 2019 #52

Careful. Some here will accuse you of spouting rightwing talking points for daring LincolnRossiter Sep 2019 #56

Speaker Pelosi-There's no need to reinvent health care -- just improve Obamacare Gothmog Sep 2019 #59

Societal Savings are not tax revenues and cannot be use to pay for this plan Gothmog Sep 2019 #60