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In reply to the discussion: Biden will be the nominee [View all]Gothmog
(180,248 posts)100. Biden's Electability Advantage Will Be Hard to Shake Among Risk-Averse Democrats
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The most obvious is Bidens consistent strength in head-to-head polls against Trump. You can remind people all day long that these are unreliable indicators of how a general-election campaign will actually play out, but they wont be able to ignore them. And Bidens advantage here is significant. There is not a single poll in the RealClearPolitics database of 2020 trial heats between Biden and Trump in which Biden does not lead. His current lead in RCPs polling averages is an enormous 11.5 percent (Sanderss is 7.0 percent, and Warrens is 5.2 percent, but both have trailed Trump in some surveys).
A second factor making Biden Mr. Electable is the widespread belief among pundits and voters alike that, all things being equal, proximity to the political center is a general-election asset. The more we approach a three-candidate nominating contest in which Bidens only real challenge comes from Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, the more Bidens relative moderation will become evident. That may hurt him with some primary voters, but it could at the same time enhance his perceived electability.
A third factor some analysts focus on is the practical ability to win voters the party lost in 2016 either to Trump or to third parties or to the living-room couch. Theres at best limited evidence that Biden is more popular than other Democrats in the much-chewed-over white working-class demographic (especially Obama-Trump voters). But he certainly talks about his focus on these voters a lot, which enhances the perception they are his people. And he certainly has conspicuous strength among African-American voters, whose fall-off in turnout was a big problem for Hillary Clinton in 2016. Biden does not look like a good bet to energize younger voters, but Trump might well do that for him...
Risk-averse is probably the most important term to remember in assessing Democratic voters heading toward 2020. They still dont entirely understand how Hillary Clinton managed to lose to Donald Trump in 2016, but they arent inclined to take anything for granted this time around. And that will make it difficult for candidates other than Biden to convince Democrats their other qualities are worth taking a bit of a risk on. Sure, Biden could in theory blow himself up with some high-profile gaffe that undermines the very premise of his candidacy. But thats not within anyone elses control.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Yep. Not to mention "Fast and Furious"... let's just hand the election to Trump.
SMC22307
Sep 2019
#84
She has to show she can win the rust belt. Right now she's tied with Trump-Biden is up 9
redstateblues
Sep 2019
#58
No, it won't. She isn't winning the AA community and should they move it will be for
Demsrule86
Sep 2019
#65
This is not the same as Obama/ Clinton in 08...Obama was liked by AA community...they
Demsrule86
Sep 2019
#118
I don't think declaring she'll shut down Facebook is going to help her politically.
ElementaryPenguin
Sep 2019
#123
This... Stacy has a very bright future. She should continue to seek higher office. If not in GA
Thekaspervote
Sep 2019
#115
I really like Amy, as well. My money for a Biden running mate is still Susan Rice, however.
WheelWalker
Sep 2019
#34
Like you, I once dreamed of a Biden/Harris ticket, and like you, I don't really want that anymore.
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2019
#60
I wouldn't pick Warren...we lose Senate seat potentially and what does she bring geographically in
Demsrule86
Sep 2019
#66
I do not agree. It's way too early to determine who the nominee will be. The primary
Ninga
Sep 2019
#7
I totally agree that "All bets are off in comparison to 2016 and other past elections."
MBS
Sep 2019
#48
We need a progressive visionary... not a moderate incrimentalist if we want to guarantee defeating
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2019
#9
Biden is the best choice for (1) defeating Trump and (2) pursuing actual workable policies that
LincolnRossiter
Sep 2019
#10
Kennedy was more conservative than Biden is. He was a pragmatic liberal, like Biden.
LincolnRossiter
Sep 2019
#37
Kennedy pushed a huge tax cut through, slow walked civil rights when necessary to placate
LincolnRossiter
Sep 2019
#44
Biden was at his most focused when he was fighting against the ravages of Trump.
Gothmog
Sep 2019
#88
We need a candidate who appeals to reliable voters, and who can win the electoral college.
highplainsdem
Sep 2019
#17
Well, can we talk? Maybe our party should think about appealing to older, reliable voters and stop
emmaverybo
Sep 2019
#47
Good point. I amend. We should do outreach to the young as well as older voters. We must build
emmaverybo
Sep 2019
#56
Apples and oranges ...not enough younguns turned out to make a difference...they rarely do
Demsrule86
Sep 2019
#61
Shame on any voter who stayed home because they were fooled by phony narratives.
lapucelle
Sep 2019
#94
Energizing voters is overrated...you have to field the right canididate and those who didn't
Demsrule86
Sep 2019
#124
Care to share a moderate's (any moderate) 'long and proven record of accomplishment'?
Doremus
Sep 2019
#41
He was. Outside agitation and events put the pressure on him. They (capitalists) didn't want to
emmaverybo
Sep 2019
#49
He's the only one to have articulated a real vision for uniting Americans, to have defined the terms
emmaverybo
Sep 2019
#50
Who is WE? Bernie not my idea of a visionary anyway. More old school revolutionary ala white male
emmaverybo
Sep 2019
#46
No we don't. We need to win three states in the Mid West...and left won't cut it this year.
Demsrule86
Sep 2019
#67
Joe didn't discover the evils of white supremacy yesterday. He's been long concerned on a global
emmaverybo
Sep 2019
#109
Probably. To me it all depends upon his performance in the early contests. He doesn't need to win
LincolnRossiter
Sep 2019
#45
We all have a responsibility to stand up and speak out when we see abuse of power
Gothmog
Sep 2019
#71
Okay. Do we cancel the primary and just appoint him and should we now start vetting Ms. Abrams?
Autumn
Sep 2019
#74
Wes Clark Was Frontrunner in Sept, Clinton Had a 18+ Lead in Late Dec 2007
DrFunkenstein
Sep 2019
#75
Joe Biden has a range of great folks to pick from. There are several extremely accomplished WOC
emmaverybo
Sep 2019
#111
EW & BS being next door to NH.... no surprise that they would come in 1st and 2nd
Thekaspervote
Sep 2019
#83
A lot to unpack here that makes sense. Why am I feeling lectured at and finding that uncomfortable,
emmaverybo
Sep 2019
#112
Biden's Electability Advantage Will Be Hard to Shake Among Risk-Averse Democrats
Gothmog
Sep 2019
#100