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Buzz cook

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9. Humphrey was Identified as pro-war.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 04:52 PM
Sep 2019

Nixon ran on the idea that he would end the war.
Nixon also made back room deals to derail the Paris peace talks. That was seen as a failure of the Johnson/Humphrey administration. In fact it was treason and Nixon should have been arrested as soon as it was discovered. That may have been the start of letting republicans get away with criminal acts.

George McGovern was a war hero, Nixon was a desk jockey in the Navy. Yet McGovern was described as weak and Nixon as strong, McGo9vern as unpatriotic and Nixon as patriotic.
That was echoed in the 2000 election.

The 72 election was also the first big defection in the "Solid South" as Nixon's Southern strategy began to bear fruit and the assassination attempt on George Wallace caused disaffection in segregationist democrats.

By this time the anti-war movement was going strong and so was the backlash against war protesters. African American's were protesting, sometimes violently, and the media were being stenographers for police and government describing the incidents.

Union organizations left the democratic side at wholesale rates. George Meany the head of the AFL-CIO backed Nixon over McGovern, though there was no formal endorsement.

Nixon was a relatively popular president, tight up till he became a reviled pariah that had to resign.

McGovern faced a perfect storm that the Democratic part still has not recovered from.

Comparing 72 to 2020 is not valid.

Problems in 2020 are different than 72. Now we can break them down to, the media, voter suppression, and racism.

While the American media is the worst in the world, they are not as bad as they have been. A Clinton is not in the race and the media is not invested in attacking the democrats as much as there were when Bill, Al, or Hillary were candidates. There are elements in the media that are pro democrat now. That is in part thanks to Barack Obama.
Democrats still should fight media narratives, but it is a bit easier now.

Voter suppression is the second largest problem democrats have to face. With the partial end of the felon purge in Florida we can hope that other states will follow suit. But every state that uses that tactic needs serious legal challenges.

In spite of the increase in volume from the racist right, America is becoming a more pluralistic nation and the power of appealing to racial animus is aiming at a smaller target.

Oh and whoever gets the nomination they won't have to worry about a popular opponent.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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...and Nixon did that (1972; McGovern) thru *serious* skulduggery. Dennis Donovan Sep 2019 #1
Had forgotten how badly McGovern was trounced. Hoyt Sep 2019 #2
I think we all wanted to forget it. highplainsdem Sep 2019 #5
LOL!! peggysue2 Sep 2019 #10
The convention and the campaign were horrible The Mouth Sep 2019 #12
there was one poster who actually claimed McGovern , Mondale, Dukakis lost because they were not JI7 Sep 2019 #19
lol@OP trying to drag on Biden with Cha Sep 2019 #3
You're very welcome, Cha! highplainsdem Sep 2019 #6
1968 should be studied very carefully rampartc Sep 2019 #4
Two entirely different eras about 50 years apart. George II Sep 2019 #7
Ya that's where I am Terry_M Sep 2019 #27
And there was no way in hell Trump could ever win IronLionZion Sep 2019 #8
Humphrey was Identified as pro-war. Buzz cook Sep 2019 #9
What Buzz Cook said Algernon Moncrieff Sep 2019 #33
Who Did McCain Run Against in 2008? DrFunkenstein Sep 2019 #11
That's not apples to apples. That was a whole different time. PatrickforO Sep 2019 #13
McGovern was my first presidential vote at age 20 and I don't want to go through that debacle again. elocs Sep 2019 #14
Nixon's approval rating was over sixty percent in November of 1972. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2019 #15
Trump's approval started underwater, and has stayed underwater. crazytown Sep 2019 #17
With today's demographics George McGovern wouldn't be George McGovern DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2019 #20
Very true Algernon Moncrieff Sep 2019 #34
The electorate was also about 90% white. It's now around 70% white. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2019 #37
Thanks for adding some context DemocratSinceBirth. Uncle Joe Sep 2019 #21
More context in the post above you. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2019 #24
Excellent reminder. Thank you! NurseJackie Sep 2019 #16
"Let's not forget which one he did better against" crazytown Sep 2019 #18
Would He Have Beaten Progressive Bobby Kennedy? DrFunkenstein Sep 2019 #22
In 68 or 72? RMN has a better chance in the latter. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2019 #23
Nixon May Have Had a "Secret Plan" For Exiting Vietnam in '68 DrFunkenstein Sep 2019 #29
I mean clearly Polk is proof that qazplm135 Sep 2019 #31
Great point, highplains. LincolnRossiter Sep 2019 #25
What Durability? All He's Done is Lost The House DrFunkenstein Sep 2019 #35
1968 was a different year BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #26
How much did Mondale lose by? Fiendish Thingy Sep 2019 #28
this is a poor argument on multiple levels qazplm135 Sep 2019 #30
No comparison to 2020 whatsoever Bradshaw3 Sep 2019 #32
Yet it was a leftist (fdr)who had the most successful tenure Tiggeroshii Sep 2019 #36
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