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In reply to the discussion: Remember Hubert Humphrey? He was supposedly the safe choice against the despised Richard Nixon. [View all]DrFunkenstein
(8,953 posts)91. Anyone Could Have Dissented - Just Not in Biden's Public Hearings
The Other Reason Biden Shouldnt Run
During the summer of 2002, as the Bush Administration was pushing for war, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, under Biden, had the opportunity to hear from any number of academics, former foreign service officials, United Nations personnel, and others specializing in Iraq. Public statements and leaks from the administration in the preceding months had been filled with false claims regarding Iraqs military capabilities and links to terrorist groups while insisting a U.S. invasion and occupation of that country would go smoothly, with minimal casualties or other negative consequences.
When the hearings commenced on July 31, eighteen witnesses were called, none of whom challenged the administrations claims that Iraq was in possession of chemical and biological weapons and a nuclear weapons program. All three witnesses who addressed the question of Al-Qaeda claimed that Iraq directly supported the Islamist terrorist group.
Despite overwhelming opposition among academics and foreign service officers familiar with the region, among the twelve witnesses who addressed whether the United States should invade, six were supportive, four were ambivalent, and only two opposed it.
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Throughout the hearings, Biden insisted that Iraq was a threat to U.S. national security and that regime change was a legitimate U.S. policy. And he expressed skepticism that renewed inspections would work.
Scott Ritter, the former chief U.N. weapons inspector, noted just prior to the hearings, For Senator Bidens Iraq hearings to be anything more than a political sham used to invoke a modern-day Gulf of Tonkin resolution-equivalent for Iraq, his committee will need to ask hard questionsand demand hard factsconcerning the real nature of the weapons threat posed by Iraq.
Biden insisted that Iraq was a threat to U.S. national security and that regime change was a legitimate U.S. policy.
But Biden had no intention of doing so, refusing to even allow Ritterwho knew more about Iraqs WMD capabilities than anyone and would have testified that Iraq had achieved at least qualitative disarmamentto testify. (Ironically, on Meet the Press in 2007, Biden defended his false claims about Iraqi WMDs by insisting that everyone in the world thought he had them. The weapons inspectors said he had them.)
Biden also refused to honor requests by some of his Democratic colleagues to include in the hearings some of the leading anti-war scholars familiar with Iraq and Middle East. Nor did Biden call some of the dissenting officials in the Pentagon or State Department who were willing to challenge the alarmist claims.
Ritter accused Biden of having preordained a conclusion that seeks to remove Saddam Hussein from power regardless of the facts and . . . using these hearings to provide political cover for a massive military attack on Iraq.
Had Biden allowed for additional hearings with a witness list more representative of the widespread opposition by those actually familiar with Iraq, it is possible the vote in the Democrat-controlled Senate authorizing the war could have turned out differently, and tragedy would have been averted.
https://progressive.org/dispatches/the-other-reason-biden-shouldnt-run-Zunes-190402/
During the summer of 2002, as the Bush Administration was pushing for war, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, under Biden, had the opportunity to hear from any number of academics, former foreign service officials, United Nations personnel, and others specializing in Iraq. Public statements and leaks from the administration in the preceding months had been filled with false claims regarding Iraqs military capabilities and links to terrorist groups while insisting a U.S. invasion and occupation of that country would go smoothly, with minimal casualties or other negative consequences.
When the hearings commenced on July 31, eighteen witnesses were called, none of whom challenged the administrations claims that Iraq was in possession of chemical and biological weapons and a nuclear weapons program. All three witnesses who addressed the question of Al-Qaeda claimed that Iraq directly supported the Islamist terrorist group.
Despite overwhelming opposition among academics and foreign service officers familiar with the region, among the twelve witnesses who addressed whether the United States should invade, six were supportive, four were ambivalent, and only two opposed it.
..
Throughout the hearings, Biden insisted that Iraq was a threat to U.S. national security and that regime change was a legitimate U.S. policy. And he expressed skepticism that renewed inspections would work.
Scott Ritter, the former chief U.N. weapons inspector, noted just prior to the hearings, For Senator Bidens Iraq hearings to be anything more than a political sham used to invoke a modern-day Gulf of Tonkin resolution-equivalent for Iraq, his committee will need to ask hard questionsand demand hard factsconcerning the real nature of the weapons threat posed by Iraq.
Biden insisted that Iraq was a threat to U.S. national security and that regime change was a legitimate U.S. policy.
But Biden had no intention of doing so, refusing to even allow Ritterwho knew more about Iraqs WMD capabilities than anyone and would have testified that Iraq had achieved at least qualitative disarmamentto testify. (Ironically, on Meet the Press in 2007, Biden defended his false claims about Iraqi WMDs by insisting that everyone in the world thought he had them. The weapons inspectors said he had them.)
Biden also refused to honor requests by some of his Democratic colleagues to include in the hearings some of the leading anti-war scholars familiar with Iraq and Middle East. Nor did Biden call some of the dissenting officials in the Pentagon or State Department who were willing to challenge the alarmist claims.
Ritter accused Biden of having preordained a conclusion that seeks to remove Saddam Hussein from power regardless of the facts and . . . using these hearings to provide political cover for a massive military attack on Iraq.
Had Biden allowed for additional hearings with a witness list more representative of the widespread opposition by those actually familiar with Iraq, it is possible the vote in the Democrat-controlled Senate authorizing the war could have turned out differently, and tragedy would have been averted.
https://progressive.org/dispatches/the-other-reason-biden-shouldnt-run-Zunes-190402/
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Remember Hubert Humphrey? He was supposedly the safe choice against the despised Richard Nixon. [View all]
pnwmom
Sep 2019
OP
The OP said that Johnson was "very successful"---I was responding to that. They were chaotic times.
virgogal
Sep 2019
#9
Bobby Kennedy was a major factor: would have had the nomination pretty certainly.
maddiemom
Sep 2019
#56
Let's be honest. With the curse of "social media" yes, it is a curse
question everything
Sep 2019
#82
Thank-you. That was one reason why Johnson stepped down. By that time it was an extremely
still_one
Sep 2019
#32
Who remembers that time when Nixon tried to sabotage the Vietnam peace talks to win an election?
Gothmog
Sep 2019
#105
And then we got a progressive candidate in 1972, and Nixon crushed McGovern.
highplainsdem
Sep 2019
#16
Biden's liberal. A moderate liberal by the standards of the left. His views are more in tune with
highplainsdem
Sep 2019
#68
wait, wait, wait. you mean to tell me someone might have used the wrong adjective over 50 years ago?
unblock
Sep 2019
#7
Nixon sent an emissary to sabotage Vietnam peace talks just before the 1968 elections
Gothmog
Sep 2019
#106
To be fair, I think it had a lot to do with R Kennedy assasinaton, Eugene McCarthy, George Wallace,
Hoyt
Sep 2019
#11
Nixon had a MUCH greater electoral and popular-vote victory against progressive McGovern in 1972
highplainsdem
Sep 2019
#13
Humphrey lost by only 511,000 votes and he was saddled with LBJ's Vietnam War record.
George II
Sep 2019
#17
We did not cause Nixon's election. Life doesn't work that way. Standing up for what you belive in
wasupaloopa
Sep 2019
#73
No they did not. Putting Nixon's election on those who opposed him is putting the responcibility
wasupaloopa
Sep 2019
#74
I've seen many people suggest that he's the "most electable." That implies that he's
pnwmom
Sep 2019
#23
No I don't...really reaching now aren't you? Remember the super liberal who was supposed to beat
Demsrule86
Sep 2019
#25
Hubert Humphrey was "the happy warrior" in the old glad-handing, baby kissing...
EarnestPutz
Sep 2019
#30
It was all about the Vietnam war. Humphrey wasn't the "safe" choice;
The Velveteen Ocelot
Sep 2019
#33
It's not that disruption, disruptive protest is *NEVER* the right thing to do
The Mouth
Sep 2019
#114
I've written lots of positive threads and I lived through the historical context.
pnwmom
Sep 2019
#37
I am not "bullying" you. It was just a suggestion. You should write whatever you want to
emulatorloo
Sep 2019
#39
As I said in another thread, the further left Dems, or as LBJ called them, 'the red hots',
empedocles
Sep 2019
#80
Thank you. Nam was huge. Draft age people probably unaware of the Great Society wins.
empedocles
Sep 2019
#89
I do have some optimism - very cautious optimism. That if we let the Pelosi process play out; not
empedocles
Sep 2019
#98
in '68, Nixon opened a back channel to Vietnam (w/help from Kissinger) to sabotage peace talks
Gothmog
Sep 2019
#108
It was the Dem Party split, led by LBJ's problem 'red hots' on the left, that overrode
empedocles
Sep 2019
#67
I was a McGovern. He was the progressive candidate of the time and we lost BIG.
UncleNoel
Sep 2019
#75
Total bullshit...that. Anyone who wanted to could have dissented. Fact is we lost Max Cleland and
Demsrule86
Sep 2019
#84
Progressive.org Re-writing history...good luck with this. Your candidate will not win the rust belt
Demsrule86
Sep 2019
#96
Nixon's treasonous conspiracy with the South Vietnamese govt - to sabotage peace talks
Gothmog
Sep 2019
#109