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Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
110. We are in a very different time
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 01:59 PM
Sep 2019

and have endured several years of chaos and insanity. Our institutions have been gutted, laws subverted, alliances and treaties abrogated, have concentration camps throughout every state. We are being catapulted into a dictatorship which is usurping our judiciary and justice system. Separation of church and state is hanging by a thread. Civil and women's rights are being assaulted. Education is being handed over to for profit and religions. Voters' rights are suppressed and we are not assured that our elections are secure. It is a matter of time before our military is turned against us on the streets.

I watched a variation of this play out elsewhere and it was ugly. Theocracies must be stamped out at their inception. They are not benign entities. When a nation is moved to lawlessness by extremists, its foundations must be reclaimed from them. I am looking for restoration, not chaos added. Return Article 1 powers to the Congress. Reorganize Cabinet by evaluating the mess now and examining lines of responsibility. Build on ACA with a public option until we can sort out budget priorities and reinstate progressive taxation. Hit the ground running to shore up tattered relations with our allies. Have a list of Ambassadors who are qualified ready to go. Get a plan ready for restoring the justice system and the courts. Remove all Trump appointees and replace with a spectrum of moderate to left people who are team players. Start tasks forces on restoration of rights of all types and education with clearly defined agendas and task assignments with hard action step deadlines for implementation. Continue to push for gun laws, reregulation of industry and banking and finance.. Demand transparency and reportability.

At this time, I see most of those running as good candidates for Cabinet appointments, with some serving better by staying put. I see Biden as having a steady hand and an unparalleled breadth of experience in international relations. I would welcome either Harris or Stacey Abrams as potential VP choices. Harris could deal with justice issues. Abrams has excellent skills at navigating legislative and executive systems.Democrats and progressives need to pull together since impeachment is sure to start and Trump will be playing crazy with gusto. He breaks the system but he and his supporters will only remain aggrieved and separate. We need to be steady and firm, careful not to replace chaos with chaotic ideas, lines of responsibility, and processes or excluding willing allies.

This is my thinking now in the primary thus far. We generally see many issues in a similar way, my dear friend. Now my priorities derive from my personal experiences. This nascent theocracy must be stopped.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Sorry,but the Vietnam war made many dislike LBJ. virgogal Sep 2019 #1
And then they really loved Nixon (n/t) PJMcK Sep 2019 #2
The OP said that Johnson was "very successful"---I was responding to that. They were chaotic times. virgogal Sep 2019 #9
Yes, you're right PJMcK Sep 2019 #14
Bobby Kennedy was a major factor: would have had the nomination pretty certainly. maddiemom Sep 2019 #56
Bobby Kennedy would have probably had the Dem's1968 nomination. maddiemom Sep 2019 #60
Yes. boomer_wv Sep 2019 #66
Let's be honest. With the curse of "social media" yes, it is a curse question everything Sep 2019 #82
This!! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #102
Thank-you. That was one reason why Johnson stepped down. By that time it was an extremely still_one Sep 2019 #32
Exactly. Johnson came to be zentrum Sep 2019 #43
And let's not forget Nixon's treason kept the peace talks from advancing. n/t jaysunb Sep 2019 #50
Not forgetting that. The disaster.... zentrum Sep 2019 #70
Yes. I think about this all the time. And the bomb too - that war was over floppyboo Sep 2019 #97
He would have won, imo, but for perception he'd continue LBJ's (unsuccessful) elleng Sep 2019 #3
Who remembers that time when Nixon tried to sabotage the Vietnam peace talks to win an election? Gothmog Sep 2019 #105
Humphrey was hated by the progressives... brooklynite Sep 2019 #4
And then we got a progressive candidate in 1972, and Nixon crushed McGovern. highplainsdem Sep 2019 #16
Are you implying that Biden is not progressive? DemocracyMouse Sep 2019 #42
Biden's liberal. A moderate liberal by the standards of the left. His views are more in tune with highplainsdem Sep 2019 #68
Hmmmm. Add up all the progressive candidates percentages. DemocracyMouse Sep 2019 #71
hush now. They are all certain that polling at 30% is crushing it. Voltaire2 Sep 2019 #86
Voltaire! Rising from the literary dead to help democracy begin encore! DemocracyMouse Sep 2019 #90
You are so right!! demosincebirth Sep 2019 #64
Should it? crazytown Sep 2019 #18
That would involve re-litigating the last election. brooklynite Sep 2019 #20
Bobby would've smashed Tricky... Dennis Donovan Sep 2019 #5
Bobby would not have won the party's murielm99 Sep 2019 #41
I worked for Clean Gene after coming home from the war wasupaloopa Sep 2019 #58
We could've and would've had RFK Fiendish Thingy Sep 2019 #6
wait, wait, wait. you mean to tell me someone might have used the wrong adjective over 50 years ago? unblock Sep 2019 #7
Hillary was considered not safe by many simply because of her gender. n/t pnwmom Sep 2019 #10
Nixon sent an emissary to sabotage Vietnam peace talks just before the 1968 elections Gothmog Sep 2019 #106
Nixon also colluded with the South Vietnamese TheRealNorth Sep 2019 #8
Don't forget Nixon's racist Southern Strategy... rickyhall Sep 2019 #40
To be fair, I think it had a lot to do with R Kennedy assasinaton, Eugene McCarthy, George Wallace, Hoyt Sep 2019 #11
This ... plus BlueMTexpat Sep 2019 #27
Nixon did conspire w the South Vietnamese govt to sabotage peace talks Gothmog Sep 2019 #107
"Law and Order" won the day for the GOP after the chaos during oasis Sep 2019 #12
Nixon had a MUCH greater electoral and popular-vote victory against progressive McGovern in 1972 highplainsdem Sep 2019 #13
McGovern is the one always cited as too liberal. crazytown Sep 2019 #19
Most Electable Often Loses ritapria Sep 2019 #15
Humphrey lost by only 511,000 votes and he was saddled with LBJ's Vietnam War record. George II Sep 2019 #17
This too. eom BlueMTexpat Sep 2019 #28
No. He lost becasue many chose to stay home question everything Sep 2019 #21
Yes. It was "Clean Gene" and his purists Jakes Progress Sep 2019 #31
Humphrey was Mayor Daily's choice not the voter's. wasupaloopa Sep 2019 #63
And is getting Nixon, and five more years of war, worth it? question everything Sep 2019 #69
We did not cause Nixon's election. Life doesn't work that way. Standing up for what you belive in wasupaloopa Sep 2019 #73
And the "honorable" team gave us nixon Jakes Progress Sep 2019 #72
No they did not. Putting Nixon's election on those who opposed him is putting the responcibility wasupaloopa Sep 2019 #74
A nice ideal that doesn't help Jakes Progress Sep 2019 #85
You don't know anyone like that. You take responsibility wasupaloopa Sep 2019 #92
Agreed. BlueWI Sep 2019 #99
What does that even mean? Jakes Progress Sep 2019 #100
Biden supporters don't think he is only the safe choice, most of his support JI7 Sep 2019 #22
I've seen many people suggest that he's the "most electable." That implies that he's pnwmom Sep 2019 #23
becsuse they are making the case for others to vote for him JI7 Sep 2019 #24
No I don't...really reaching now aren't you? Remember the super liberal who was supposed to beat Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #25
Nixon was pretty popular qazplm135 Sep 2019 #26
Also true. eom BlueMTexpat Sep 2019 #29
Hubert Humphrey was "the happy warrior" in the old glad-handing, baby kissing... EarnestPutz Sep 2019 #30
It was all about the Vietnam war. Humphrey wasn't the "safe" choice; The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2019 #33
+++ still_one Sep 2019 #35
I agree LeftInTX Sep 2019 #93
What happened outside the Democratic Convention Mr.Bill Sep 2019 #34
This! dhol82 Sep 2019 #61
It's not that disruption, disruptive protest is *NEVER* the right thing to do The Mouth Sep 2019 #114
Read the replies to your thread for historical context emulatorloo Sep 2019 #36
I've written lots of positive threads and I lived through the historical context. pnwmom Sep 2019 #37
I am not "bullying" you. It was just a suggestion. You should write whatever you want to emulatorloo Sep 2019 #39
Not how i remember it at all. yellowcanine Sep 2019 #38
Exactly. trof Sep 2019 #44
Not ashamed to say my very first vote was for Humphrey. TNNurse Sep 2019 #45
My 6th grade class held a presidential vote in 1968 Martin Eden Sep 2019 #53
Thank you. honest.abe Sep 2019 #46
Also, Humphrey was very progressive. yellowcanine Sep 2019 #51
Yeah, because McGovern in '72 was a much better choice. elocs Sep 2019 #47
Johnson/Humphrey was unpopular. Buzz cook Sep 2019 #48
That doesn't mean we should therefore make the "unsafe choice." gulliver Sep 2019 #49
Apples and oranges PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #52
You do remember the police riot during the Dem convention wasupaloopa Sep 2019 #54
apples and oranges EveHammond13 Sep 2019 #55
Cart before the horse and apples and oranges. TidalWave46 Sep 2019 #57
The lesson of 1968 is the Dems beat themselves. empedocles Sep 2019 #59
The Dems beat themselves radical noodle Sep 2019 #79
As I said in another thread, the further left Dems, or as LBJ called them, 'the red hots', empedocles Sep 2019 #80
You're exactly right... radical noodle Sep 2019 #87
Thank you. Nam was huge. Draft age people probably unaware of the Great Society wins. empedocles Sep 2019 #89
I'm afraid you're right radical noodle Sep 2019 #95
I do have some optimism - very cautious optimism. That if we let the Pelosi process play out; not empedocles Sep 2019 #98
in '68, Nixon opened a back channel to Vietnam (w/help from Kissinger) to sabotage peace talks Gothmog Sep 2019 #108
That is true, just like tricky dick. When LBJ first got convincing clues, empedocles Sep 2019 #113
Tom Lehrer remembers him on "Whatever Became of Hubert" MadLinguist Sep 2019 #62
1968 called and wants its situation back treestar Sep 2019 #65
It was the Dem Party split, led by LBJ's problem 'red hots' on the left, that overrode empedocles Sep 2019 #67
I was a McGovern. He was the progressive candidate of the time and we lost BIG. UncleNoel Sep 2019 #75
McGovern was '72, Humphrey was '68. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2019 #94
Progressive Bobby Kennedy Would Have Won DrFunkenstein Sep 2019 #76
Humphrey fought and made it a close election Grins Sep 2019 #77
He was tainted by the ongoing Vietnam War radical noodle Sep 2019 #78
Biden Is Tainted By Rolling Over For The Iraq War DrFunkenstein Sep 2019 #81
Total bullshit...that. Anyone who wanted to could have dissented. Fact is we lost Max Cleland and Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #84
Anyone Could Have Dissented - Just Not in Biden's Public Hearings DrFunkenstein Sep 2019 #91
Progressive.org Re-writing history...good luck with this. Your candidate will not win the rust belt Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #96
Vietnam became LBJ's war radical noodle Sep 2019 #88
Nixon's treasonous conspiracy with the South Vietnamese govt - to sabotage peace talks Gothmog Sep 2019 #109
Remember who ran in 72. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #83
So I guess I should just stop flipping trump voters for Biden? Deb Sep 2019 #101
1968 was a traumatic year-- dawg day Sep 2019 #103
Nixon tried to sabotage LBJ's peace efforts concerning Vietnam Gothmog Sep 2019 #104
We are in a very different time Skidmore Sep 2019 #110
Excellent post, Skidmore. sheshe2 Sep 2019 #111
+1000. ehrnst Sep 2019 #116
Excellent post, Skidmore. brer cat Sep 2019 #119
Great post! I'm very fortunate... NurseJackie Sep 2019 #121
kick and rec +++ still_one Sep 2019 #122
Great post. murielm99 Sep 2019 #123
Every election is unique Politicub Sep 2019 #112
Humphrey was viable and would have won but for Nixon's treason Gothmog Sep 2019 #115
No I don't remember. And I'm 53 years old. GulfCoast66 Sep 2019 #117
HHH was too tied to LBJ RhodeIslandOne Sep 2019 #118
Sure. I remember very well. MineralMan Sep 2019 #120
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