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TheRealNorth

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17. I was trying to find the clip I head on Ari Melber's show

Wed Oct 2, 2019, 01:04 AM

Oct 2019

Basically, Biden said in the clip when responding to Ukrainegate was that he said the media has proven it is false, instead of HIM saying it's bullshit. There is a subtle difference between, "The media says its false" vs. "I say its false/bullshit". The latter is a stronger statement because he is saying it and he's backing it up with his credibility. The former is kind of wobbly in the sense that it leaves Biden an out and he is not backing it with his credibility.

And it's not like others don't have these concerns:

https://www.msnbc.com/craig-melvin/watch/biden-campaign-to-media-don-t-book-giuliani-70264389551

I also think it was a mistake to put on his twitter that the media should not book Ghouliani (because the Ghoul is a proven lying sack of shit). Instead, when Biden did it via Twitter it kind of sends a message that he is afraid of Ghouliani and what he has to say.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Good God @MSNBC - can you please spare me Michael Moore bashing Biden & claiming he won't "excite".. [View all] Cha Oct 2019 OP

I saw nothing wrong with what Michael Moore said TheRealNorth Oct 2019 #1

Do not talk to me about "clutching pearls".. Cha Oct 2019 #2

I heard Moore and i think he was right on one point. If Biden wants to excite he had to be Fightin dem4decades Oct 2019 #7

Guess what?! Biden is Doing that.. he Cha Oct 2019 #13

Mahalo Cha! blue-wave Oct 2019 #9

Mahalo to you, Blue-Wave! HawaiiDelilah Cha Oct 2019 #16

Yay, Cha. He can damn well FO! FO Michael Moore. emmaverybo Oct 2019 #29

HD has it exactly right.. " I am the base. I am for Warren. If Biden is the nominee, I WILL BE Cha Oct 2019 #32

Well um, it appears to me that what you refer to blue-wave Oct 2019 #6

I was trying to find the clip I head on Ari Melber's show TheRealNorth Oct 2019 #17

Aw stop it. He is the candidate who first took the fight to Trump and framed the battle for all of emmaverybo Oct 2019 #30

Has he called for impeachment yet? Buzz cook Oct 2019 #49

Nobody "facing" anything that you tell them Cha Oct 2019 #105

Thanks Buzz cook Oct 2019 #121

And Warren could not mention his name when confronting Trump on his corruption in regards to Ukraine emmaverybo Oct 2019 #119

link please Buzz cook Oct 2019 #120

Did not defend Biden by name. Many have pointed this out. Other candidates felt Trump's attack emmaverybo Oct 2019 #122

Warren renewed her call for impeachment Buzz cook Oct 2019 #125

Ducking defending Biden, but of course strongly condemning Trump as this makes her look tough. emmaverybo Oct 2019 #128

You have a more Buzz cook Oct 2019 #146

Well, they are all politicians. However, Biden would defend them by name. He defended Harris emmaverybo Oct 2019 #148

That's exactly what I was going to post to you, emma.. Cha Oct 2019 #149

I believe others, Warren and Harris and Beto, for example, were way ahead of him. pangaia Oct 2019 #103

The tav I frequent would have my back Wawannabe Oct 2019 #34

Tavern Brawlers are always losers! democratisphere Oct 2019 #42

Well I do and I won't watch the host that had him on either anymore...Michael helped Hillary lose Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #81

He was all in for Bernie, of course. Happy Hoosier Oct 2019 #93

That's nice that BS has so much MONEY!!! Cha Oct 2019 #107

I don't need to be excited about a candidate. sheshe2 Oct 2019 #3

Mahalo for bringing Conor McElroy's tweet on Cha Oct 2019 #8

I am with ya. sheshe2 Oct 2019 #10

I'm with you, she! mcar Oct 2019 #90

Good luck trying to win an election with a candidate that doesn't excite. progressoid Oct 2019 #118

I dont need excitement. I need to win. Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #133

Like I said, *you* may not need excitement, but the general voting population does. progressoid Oct 2019 #140

I totally agree with her radical noodle Oct 2019 #4

HawaiiDelilah speaks for me blm Oct 2019 #5

I do not care what Michael Moore says, PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2019 #11

Well, I can tell you this.. Plenty of Cha Oct 2019 #15

Yes we will be Green Line Oct 2019 #19

That is just fine. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2019 #36

" I expect that many of you would be less than excited if certain other candidates become the nomine pangaia Oct 2019 #104

I turned Ari off when Moore came on Gothmog Oct 2019 #12

we may not like him (I have reservations), but he was right. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2019 #37

No he is not right...and EW has yet to show how she wins the rust belt in a general. Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #78

Moore voted for Nader Gothmog Oct 2019 #87

Moore is a scumbag...I wonder if he voted for Stein? Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #97

He wasn't right. Hillary voters will not be excited to vote for Bernie.. And! Kahuna7 Oct 2019 #130

He is a Bernie guy. But the DNC ignored him in 2016. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2019 #131

Hillary lost by 77K votes in three states that were almost surgically supressed. Kahuna7 Oct 2019 #138

we totally disagree. DNC better start screaming about rigging now. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2019 #145

Kahuna is Absolutely Correct. Cha Oct 2019 #152

I don't actually like the denialism. But stick with it if you must. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2019 #154

Sorry.. I think you should take your own advice. Cha Oct 2019 #155

Here's the thing. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2019 #159

Michael Moore is Still Wrong. Cha Oct 2019 #163

Cha, please wake up Biden and tell him that. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2019 #164

Moore is wrong again.. he had the Cha Oct 2019 #165

please tell us Biden's response is to his vote on Iraq. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2019 #170

Moore is an idiot.. your attempt to distract Cha Oct 2019 #171

I have linked sources to the information I posted..... Kahuna7 Oct 2019 #158

Mahalo for providing information Cha Oct 2019 #160

You know me Cha. We go waaaaay back. I don't blow smoke... Kahuna7 Oct 2019 #161

Exactly, Kahuna.. one gets to know DU members over the years.. Cha Oct 2019 #162

+1 betsuni Oct 2019 #147

You are so dead on, Kahuna! Cha Oct 2019 #156

I don't want to be excited .... CatMor Oct 2019 #14

Whether you like Michael Moore or not TheRealNorth Oct 2019 #22

Moore is old news. He is more an attention hawk than a truth sayer. Forget him! wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #26

Michael Moore qazplm135 Oct 2019 #28

Agreed. MM understands his people. jg10003 Oct 2019 #55

He doesn't. He was promoting his book when he helped Kerry lose ...and was instrumental in helping Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #98

People like Moore backed Nader in 2000 TheRealNorth Oct 2019 #126

Consider how different it would be if Bush had not been elected. What Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #132

You want to be excited? peggysue2 Oct 2019 #18

He's such an asshole Green Line Oct 2019 #20

+1000 emmaverybo Oct 2019 #31

Democracy is Exciting! Healthcare is Exciting! Cha Oct 2019 #47

"A picture is worth a thousand words" oasis Oct 2019 #135

That's exactly what I was thinking, Cha Oct 2019 #142

Excited? boomer_wv Oct 2019 #21

Exactly, boomer.. MM isn't giving the base Cha Oct 2019 #23

Voter enthusiasm is a real thing TheRealNorth Oct 2019 #24

You just watch our Democratic Base Get EXCITED Cha Oct 2019 #25

Not the same thing. boomer_wv Oct 2019 #27

Regardless of who beats Trump TheRealNorth Oct 2019 #127

Great. boomer_wv Oct 2019 #139

In 2016 Wawannabe Oct 2019 #33

I watched, thinking I'd be enlightened. I ended up stopping it. ffr Oct 2019 #35

Thanks, ffr.. Michael Moore is always Cha Oct 2019 #65

Cue the circular firing squad... Big Chief Oct 2019 #38

No.. "cue the circular firing squad.." That doesn't Cha Oct 2019 #39

Michael Moore should team up with Joy Reid so they can have democratisphere Oct 2019 #40

I changed the channel True Blue American Oct 2019 #41

You are smart. Very smart! democratisphere Oct 2019 #44

The last good thing about Mike True Blue American Oct 2019 #50

Is she still bashing Joe Biden? Cha Oct 2019 #166

Michael Moore.... quickesst Oct 2019 #43

According to Moore, Bernie Sanders and Trump won Michigan and Wisconsin because betsuni Oct 2019 #45

I think we True Blue American Oct 2019 #51

I Pennsylvania, Hillary went to Philadelphia and Pittsburg. Blue_true Oct 2019 #150

From "What Happened": betsuni Oct 2019 #151

I'll do what I can to help electJoe if he's the nominee, but I think every day that he's uninspiring AdamGG Oct 2019 #46

The tweet in the OP says it best.. if you can't Cha Oct 2019 #48

Thank you. True Blue American Oct 2019 #53

Moore also said of President Obama that Cha Oct 2019 #56

Why MSNBC True Blue American Oct 2019 #58

Saying that the majority of Moore's celebrity comes from attacking Democrats is inaccurate AdamGG Oct 2019 #54

MM doesn't know shite.. he said "President Obama Cha Oct 2019 #57

Moore seems to go every way True Blue American Oct 2019 #59

The m$$$media finds him useful to Cha Oct 2019 #60

No it is absolutely true...I posted this on another thread...and he voted for Nader too. Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #100

Sherrod could True Blue American Oct 2019 #52

I find Warren uninspiring. But i will be all in Demsrule86 Oct 2019 #134

Michael Moore does have... Mike Nelson Oct 2019 #61

Sounds like it's something we need to consider. aikoaiko Oct 2019 #62

In what way? betsuni Oct 2019 #63

I think Moore comes from and understands the rust belt. aikoaiko Oct 2019 #68

But he thinks the 2016 Democratic primary was rigged and people voted for Trump because betsuni Oct 2019 #69

He won't. gibraltar72 Oct 2019 #64

Yes, Joe Biden WILL. Cha Oct 2019 #66

Spare me the guy who said a vote for Gore is a vote for bush, or telling us how both McCain and still_one Oct 2019 #67

Thanks for that brief recap on some Cha Oct 2019 #73

Agree completely, Cha! Breitbart loooved Michael Moore's comments, couldn't publish highplainsdem Oct 2019 #70

See! Of course RW love MM's blabbing about Cha Oct 2019 #75

He is such a loser. No better than stein and the others he's pictured with Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #71

MM speaks for himself, not for us THE BASE. HawaiiDelilah is correct - I AM EXCITED JOE IS RUNNING!! onetexan Oct 2019 #72

Michael Moore is not the most intelligent person in each room he walks into. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #74

Yeah, my friend just told me Cha Oct 2019 #77

Not even close to the first time he has been used on Brietbart. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #84

I hate that Stein-loving, Nader-loving m-fucker! NurseJackie Oct 2019 #76

I didn't watch. Who does he think is exciting? (n/t) OilemFirchen Oct 2019 #79

I didn't,either.. but gee Cha Oct 2019 #82

Trying to imagine a "tavern brawl" here... OilemFirchen Oct 2019 #86

This is so dumb and dangerous. honest.abe Oct 2019 #80

Exactly, honest.abe.. that's what Cha Oct 2019 #83

Exactly PhoenixDem Oct 2019 #102

I stopped caring about MM opinions a decade or so ago beachbumbob Oct 2019 #85

I turned off morning joe When Moore came on Gothmog Oct 2019 #88

Why does anyone care what Michael Moore thinks? mcar Oct 2019 #89

He's apparently usefull to msnbc.. Cha Oct 2019 #91

Of course they did mcar Oct 2019 #92

I was wondering the same thing Gothmog Oct 2019 #101

What an irritant Moore is. He's good at supressing Dem votes and seems he's at... brush Oct 2019 #94

And, I don't like Moore. He's useful to those Cha Oct 2019 #99

That disheveled, poorly dressed slob Michael Moore NYMinute Oct 2019 #95

It is operant conditioning by the far left BlueMississippi Oct 2019 #96

Yes, The launch was exciting! And his speeches. The Iowa one was inspiring. Any one who emmaverybo Oct 2019 #153

Can MSNBC, Bill Mahr and their ilk spare me anything involving comradebillyboy Oct 2019 #106

sure...agreed... qazplm135 Oct 2019 #108

K&R X Infinity Hal Zerozerozeronine Oct 2019 #109

Michael Moore has it so bass ackwards I do not even know where to begin Peacetrain Oct 2019 #110

Republicans Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #116

That is a talking point that the far right takes advantage of... Peacetrain Oct 2019 #123

I agree with you. Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #124

And I love reading your posts too.. Peacetrain Oct 2019 #129

Moore is dead to me along with Blue_Tires Oct 2019 #111

I'm sick of MM. He basically said Joe's candidacy would yield the same oasis Oct 2019 #112

The MSM use his type to "balance" the negative Trump/Repub stories. Hortensis Oct 2019 #113

I'd love to see a solid Dem take on MM in a panel discussion. oasis Oct 2019 #115

He's like RW brain-stirrers whose messages depend on Hortensis Oct 2019 #117

"excitement bullshit. Fuck that. Seriously." yeah. This. Amimnoch Oct 2019 #114

Just saw him on Morning Joe calling Trump and his team evil geniuses, that they're not stupid. betsuni Oct 2019 #136

"But I think we have to embrace Trump," Moore said Cha Oct 2019 #143

I had to turn Ari off again tonight when Moore showed up Gothmog Oct 2019 #137

I do that also, not just irritation but out of principle. Hortensis Oct 2019 #141

More Michael Moore Stupidity.. Cha Oct 2019 #172

Biden: "I'm drawing as big of crowds, or bigger than anybody" DrFunkenstein Oct 2019 #144

I will vote for Joe if he is our nominee without any hesitation or complaint. I also think KPN Oct 2019 #157

Freaking Michael Moore doesn't "excite" me.. Cha Oct 2019 #167

Michael Moore has earned some opinion time... Joe941 Oct 2019 #168

MM said Romney was going to WIN, too.. Cha Oct 2019 #169

He also said both McCain and Romeny would win. Remember when he said a voite for Gore still_one Oct 2019 #176

Do not watch Ari tonight Gothmog Oct 2019 #173

Thanks for the heads up, Goth.. Cha Oct 2019 #174

Moore is on the Last Word also tonight Cha Gothmog Oct 2019 #178

smh.. Cha Oct 2019 #179

I watched and he praised both Obama and Hillary. He was being good and only bashing Republicans. betsuni Oct 2019 #182

I'd have a real hard time voting for anyone endorsed by Michale Moore. But comradebillyboy Oct 2019 #175

Moore is also on the Last Word Gothmog Oct 2019 #177

I didn't see him say that StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #180

I feel the same way about Moore Gothmog Oct 2019 #181

K&R, Dems are not excited by bad policy uponit7771 Oct 2019 #183

I skipped the Bowling movie last night on MSNBC Gothmog Oct 2019 #184