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In reply to the discussion: I am disgusted with Democrats who are not defending Joe Biden,are we so [View all]bloom
(11,638 posts)1. "We need to talk about Hunter Biden" by Kate Aronoff
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/05/we-need-to-talk-about-hunter-biden
The standard lines from Democrats about Hunter Biden and his business dealings in China and Ukraine have been consistent: Donald Trump has abused the office of the president by asking foreign leaders to investigate Bidens son, and there is absolutely no proof that either Joe or Hunter Biden have done anything to break the law. Any questionable dealings by Bidens son also pale in comparison to ethical breaches on the part of Ivanka, Eric or Donald Trump Jr, who have routinely blurred the lines between the extended Trump Organization the familys business empire and their presence in the White House.
This is all true, and arguably these are the right lines vis-a-vis the long overdue impeachment proceedings. Whats harder to shake is the fact that Hunter Bidens career is undeniably shady in the way that only the son of a longtime Washington insider could muster, failing upwards into positions of influence and power on the merits of his last name. And that should be considered a huge liability to Joe Biden, for months now considered heir apparent for the Democratic partys presidential nomination.
Biden has a storied history within a political establishment that Donald Trump ran successfully, if disingenuously to unseat. Indeed, his entire appeal is premised on his ties to that political establishment, namely his having been Barack Obamas vice-president. Thats his biggest and perhaps only selling point in a run thats been defined by fumbling debate performances, scant appearances on the campaign trail and awkward defenses of a record that includes support for the Iraq war and pitiful treatment of Anita Hill.
...The gamble of a Biden nomination, then, is a big one. Its a bet on whether Americans really do want a return to the political establishment when signs here and around the world seem to be pointing in the opposite direction, empowering both far-right strong men and socialists as center-left and center-right parties stumble. Bidens chances in a general election also hinge on whether he can muster support from enough Obama-loyal, reliable primary voters to counteract a lack of enthusiasm among younger and more progressive segments of the electorate, who wont back him with nearly the same vim as they would Elizabeth Warren or (especially) Bernie Sanders. Did the mythical white working class voters that Biden is supposed to appeal to really just want to vote for another white guy (as cynical pundits have claimed) or did they too want to drain the swamp?..."
The standard lines from Democrats about Hunter Biden and his business dealings in China and Ukraine have been consistent: Donald Trump has abused the office of the president by asking foreign leaders to investigate Bidens son, and there is absolutely no proof that either Joe or Hunter Biden have done anything to break the law. Any questionable dealings by Bidens son also pale in comparison to ethical breaches on the part of Ivanka, Eric or Donald Trump Jr, who have routinely blurred the lines between the extended Trump Organization the familys business empire and their presence in the White House.
This is all true, and arguably these are the right lines vis-a-vis the long overdue impeachment proceedings. Whats harder to shake is the fact that Hunter Bidens career is undeniably shady in the way that only the son of a longtime Washington insider could muster, failing upwards into positions of influence and power on the merits of his last name. And that should be considered a huge liability to Joe Biden, for months now considered heir apparent for the Democratic partys presidential nomination.
Biden has a storied history within a political establishment that Donald Trump ran successfully, if disingenuously to unseat. Indeed, his entire appeal is premised on his ties to that political establishment, namely his having been Barack Obamas vice-president. Thats his biggest and perhaps only selling point in a run thats been defined by fumbling debate performances, scant appearances on the campaign trail and awkward defenses of a record that includes support for the Iraq war and pitiful treatment of Anita Hill.
...The gamble of a Biden nomination, then, is a big one. Its a bet on whether Americans really do want a return to the political establishment when signs here and around the world seem to be pointing in the opposite direction, empowering both far-right strong men and socialists as center-left and center-right parties stumble. Bidens chances in a general election also hinge on whether he can muster support from enough Obama-loyal, reliable primary voters to counteract a lack of enthusiasm among younger and more progressive segments of the electorate, who wont back him with nearly the same vim as they would Elizabeth Warren or (especially) Bernie Sanders. Did the mythical white working class voters that Biden is supposed to appeal to really just want to vote for another white guy (as cynical pundits have claimed) or did they too want to drain the swamp?..."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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I am disgusted with Democrats who are not defending Joe Biden,are we so [View all]
rwheeler31
Oct 2019
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Another hit piece on Biden by Sanders supporter & Intercept writer Aronoff.
highplainsdem
Oct 2019
#3
Pitiful treatment of Anita Hill? He was the only committee member to give Thomas much grief,
emmaverybo
Oct 2019
#6
No it isn't. He did not mistreat her. The revisionist history is the story that he was to blame for
emmaverybo
Oct 2019
#17
Really? He treated her badly during the hearings? Read a transcript? Saw them at the time? No.
emmaverybo
Oct 2019
#22
Biden Refused To Hear Other Women Willing to Testify As Corroborating Witnesses
DrFunkenstein
Oct 2019
#58
I am well aware people did not believe her at the time. This was not the year of WOC. Thomas's
emmaverybo
Oct 2019
#33
I understand about your view on Beau's widow, I feel there is more to the story than what we know
Perseus
Oct 2019
#24
"Biden doesn't deserve it."...Joe Biden has been in politics for a long, long time
Perseus
Oct 2019
#23
But Hunter took that job while Biden was still VP, so that was reason enough for him not to take it.
pnwmom
Oct 2019
#30
Hunter has had some troubles, understandable. However he is not a stupid person
OKNancy
Oct 2019
#20
If you mean the Democratic candidates -- yes, they should all speak up. It looks bad not to.
highplainsdem
Oct 2019
#2
Exactly, it does not help your candidate if you are repeating bogus GOP attacks.
rwheeler31
Oct 2019
#5
Yes. It is sad. A united front is the way to stop Trump using his office and the power of
emmaverybo
Oct 2019
#4
Ahem. I posted that, and it wasn't "warning" of anything but suggesting Warren do some minor
highplainsdem
Oct 2019
#10
I take offense in your statement that all who post on DU don't want any dem to win...you have...
SWBTATTReg
Oct 2019
#32
2020 -- year of the Ugly. Not sure that I can get through the psyops of it and come out clearheaded.
ancianita
Oct 2019
#9
Thanks for your post. What bothers me is that we're in the Ugly b/c Mueller went with one memo
ancianita
Oct 2019
#15
Could you put that reason more succinctly, please? I'm not arguing. I just don't get how one
ancianita
Oct 2019
#40
Dark days ahead with no choice IS succinct. Thanks. Though I could argue about the voice, I won't.
ancianita
Oct 2019
#46
Everybody still want to believe that Muller was there to find and expose the truth, Muller
bonniebgood
Oct 2019
#31
I guess you haven't seen Joe's ad or his comments. He's taking Trump's attack and turning it
emmaverybo
Oct 2019
#53