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1. "We need to talk about Hunter Biden" by Kate Aronoff
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 02:43 PM
Oct 2019
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/05/we-need-to-talk-about-hunter-biden

The standard lines from Democrats about Hunter Biden and his business dealings in China and Ukraine have been consistent: Donald Trump has abused the office of the president by asking foreign leaders to investigate Biden’s son, and there is absolutely no proof that either Joe or Hunter Biden have done anything to break the law. Any questionable dealings by Biden’s son also pale in comparison to ethical breaches on the part of Ivanka, Eric or Donald Trump Jr, who have routinely blurred the lines between the extended Trump Organization – the family’s business empire –and their presence in the White House.

This is all true, and arguably these are the right lines vis-a-vis the long overdue impeachment proceedings. What’s harder to shake is the fact that Hunter Biden’s career is undeniably shady in the way that only the son of a longtime Washington insider could muster, failing upwards into positions of influence and power on the merits of his last name. And that should be considered a huge liability to Joe Biden, for months now considered heir apparent for the Democratic party’s presidential nomination.

Biden has a storied history within a political establishment that Donald Trump ran – successfully, if disingenuously – to unseat. Indeed, his entire appeal is premised on his ties to that political establishment, namely his having been Barack Obama’s vice-president. That’s his biggest and perhaps only selling point in a run that’s been defined by fumbling debate performances, scant appearances on the campaign trail and awkward defenses of a record that includes support for the Iraq war and pitiful treatment of Anita Hill.

...The gamble of a Biden nomination, then, is a big one. It’s a bet on whether Americans really do want a return to the political establishment when signs here and around the world seem to be pointing in the opposite direction, empowering both far-right strong men and socialists as center-left and center-right parties stumble. Biden’s chances in a general election also hinge on whether he can muster support from enough Obama-loyal, reliable primary voters to counteract a lack of enthusiasm among younger and more progressive segments of the electorate, who won’t back him with nearly the same vim as they would Elizabeth Warren or (especially) Bernie Sanders. Did the mythical white working class voters that Biden is supposed to appeal to really just want to vote for another white guy (as cynical pundits have claimed) or did they too want to drain the swamp?..."
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"We need to talk about Hunter Biden" by Kate Aronoff bloom Oct 2019 #1
Another hit piece on Biden by Sanders supporter & Intercept writer Aronoff. highplainsdem Oct 2019 #3
Pitiful treatment of Anita Hill? He was the only committee member to give Thomas much grief, emmaverybo Oct 2019 #6
This is complete revisionist history jcgoldie Oct 2019 #11
No it isn't. He did not mistreat her. The revisionist history is the story that he was to blame for emmaverybo Oct 2019 #17
Biden was RUNNING THE HEARINGS. He was in charge. He could have done a lot pnwmom Oct 2019 #26
Yes I watched the hearings jcgoldie Oct 2019 #34
You never heard Anita Hill asking Biden to apologize? Perseus Oct 2019 #16
Really? He treated her badly during the hearings? Read a transcript? Saw them at the time? No. emmaverybo Oct 2019 #22
He allowed testimony from a crackpot who said she had erotomania. No one says pnwmom Oct 2019 #28
Biden Refused To Hear Other Women Willing to Testify As Corroborating Witnesses DrFunkenstein Oct 2019 #58
Actually snowybirdie Oct 2019 #29
I am well aware people did not believe her at the time. This was not the year of WOC. Thomas's emmaverybo Oct 2019 #33
Good points in this piece. cwydro Oct 2019 #12
Two points that I find interesting Perseus Oct 2019 #18
Yes, I don't particularly care about the thing about him and Beau's widow. cwydro Oct 2019 #21
I understand about your view on Beau's widow, I feel there is more to the story than what we know Perseus Oct 2019 #24
Gotta agree with that, but Biden is a good man. cwydro Oct 2019 #36
Thank you yellowwoodII Oct 2019 #37
"Biden doesn't deserve it."...Joe Biden has been in politics for a long, long time Perseus Oct 2019 #23
But Hunter took that job while Biden was still VP, so that was reason enough for him not to take it. pnwmom Oct 2019 #30
Hunter has had some troubles, understandable. However he is not a stupid person OKNancy Oct 2019 #20
Negative articles about my candidate make me support him even more Perseus Oct 2019 #25
I don't get it Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #35
I agree. Nothing said here by supporters of other Dem candidates blm Oct 2019 #42
I don't bother reading Guardian op eds. They're too predictable. Kahuna7 Oct 2019 #27
Got to "only selling point" and STOPPED reading. Duppers Oct 2019 #57
If you mean the Democratic candidates -- yes, they should all speak up. It looks bad not to. highplainsdem Oct 2019 #2
Exactly, it does not help your candidate if you are repeating bogus GOP attacks. rwheeler31 Oct 2019 #5
Yes. It is sad. A united front is the way to stop Trump using his office and the power of emmaverybo Oct 2019 #4
It's bothering but we know that all that post on DU LakeArenal Oct 2019 #7
Ahem. I posted that, and it wasn't "warning" of anything but suggesting Warren do some minor highplainsdem Oct 2019 #10
Yep. nt cwydro Oct 2019 #13
I take offense in your statement that all who post on DU don't want any dem to win...you have... SWBTATTReg Oct 2019 #32
Offense noted. Along with those who agreed LakeArenal Oct 2019 #44
Like to point out that . . . peggysue2 Oct 2019 #8
2020 -- year of the Ugly. Not sure that I can get through the psyops of it and come out clearheaded. ancianita Oct 2019 #9
Yeah, the psyops are deliberate and will grow in intensity peggysue2 Oct 2019 #14
Thanks for your post. What bothers me is that we're in the Ugly b/c Mueller went with one memo ancianita Oct 2019 #15
Can't argue with that, ancianita peggysue2 Oct 2019 #39
Could you put that reason more succinctly, please? I'm not arguing. I just don't get how one ancianita Oct 2019 #40
We keep fighting because we simply have no choice peggysue2 Oct 2019 #43
Dark days ahead with no choice IS succinct. Thanks. Though I could argue about the voice, I won't. ancianita Oct 2019 #46
Excellent and eloquent. That's how we do it. emmaverybo Oct 2019 #51
Thanks, emmaverybo peggysue2 Oct 2019 #52
trump is scared of Joe Biden Gothmog Oct 2019 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author OKNancy Oct 2019 #19
Everybody still want to believe that Muller was there to find and expose the truth, Muller bonniebgood Oct 2019 #31
Biden's handling it very well. Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #38
Where is Hunter Biden? MattInMN Oct 2019 #41
It's already been established that he did nothing wrong. LakeArenal Oct 2019 #45
Okay, then come out and say so. MattInMN Oct 2019 #47
I don't agree. He's not setting agenda to me LakeArenal Oct 2019 #48
I guess you haven't seen Joe's ad or his comments. He's taking Trump's attack and turning it emmaverybo Oct 2019 #53
In Trump's view, Biden poses the greatest threat and must be destroyed Gothmog Oct 2019 #49
Can we just stop this? macwriter Oct 2019 #54
Thank you macwriter and rwheeler31 MustLoveBeagles Oct 2019 #55
This!! Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #56
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