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dflprincess

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22. There are many arguments for unionization, this is not one of them

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 09:58 PM

Oct 2019

Unions can change health insurance companies too & their members can wind up going bankrupt because the current system of health insurance does not guarantee affordable health care.

This is an argument for Medicare for All. If there's one payor doctors will have to accept it unless they want to limit their practice to people who can pay cash.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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So what I see here is raising taxes for M4A in exchange for no health care premiums [View all] edhopper Oct 2019 OP

What I see is someone too afraid to talk about her plan DrToast Oct 2019 #1

Not a difficult concept for me. I totally under Ninga Oct 2019 #5

I don't get the 'gee, I don't get it' crowd. blm Oct 2019 #27

What I see is an also ran with a nasty disposition, their supporters and LarryNM Oct 2019 #14

Oh yeah.. who's that? I'm not watching. Cha Oct 2019 #18

Yup. dflprincess Oct 2019 #21

Hear, hear. nt Doremus Oct 2019 #29

If she can't handle some tough questions, then she can't handle Trump DrToast Oct 2019 #45

She's wise enough not to give opponents an out-of-context quote. nt LAS14 Oct 2019 #77

She's afraid of Republicans is supposed to be comforting? DrToast Oct 2019 #78

They should just call it Medicare premium instead of Medicare tax n/t Blaukraut Oct 2019 #2

Exactly. I'm collided that she hasn't used that. hedda_foil Oct 2019 #6

Spot on. Sen Warren needs to own that exact Ninga Oct 2019 #3

Her biggest problem tonight was how she framed it JCMach1 Oct 2019 #30

By us not having a universal healthcare system, people are already paying a Blue_true Oct 2019 #4

Paying for health insurance industry's padded overhead. blm Oct 2019 #71

That is a pretty impressive chart. It should be used more in debates. Blue_true Oct 2019 #80

Physicians for a National Health Program are ignored by corpmedia. blm Oct 2019 #90

I think the fear factor of losing your provider plays in massively here. herding cats Oct 2019 #7

If everyone has Medicare edhopper Oct 2019 #9

Where I am not all providers take Medicare. herding cats Oct 2019 #13

They will if everyone has it. edhopper Oct 2019 #15

You sure about that? herding cats Oct 2019 #40

rural people will now have medicare edhopper Oct 2019 #42

No, that doesn't answer my question. herding cats Oct 2019 #46

keeping the current system just makes this worse edhopper Oct 2019 #49

Still not answering me. herding cats Oct 2019 #53

your asking if M4A solves a problem edhopper Oct 2019 #59

No, that's not what I'm asking at all. I'm asking, time and time again, what me and mines impact is? herding cats Oct 2019 #61

It would be impossible to answer exactly what you and each of your employees would pay edhopper Oct 2019 #74

Not so. They will have a prepay system where those who can afford it wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #28

our system doesn't work edhopper Oct 2019 #41

People can lose access to the provider if their employer changes insurance companies dflprincess Oct 2019 #16

Sure, and people seek new employment often for this reason herding cats Oct 2019 #20

There are many arguments for unionization, this is not one of them dflprincess Oct 2019 #22

Ok, I'm a tiny small business. herding cats Oct 2019 #24

everyone gets medicare edhopper Oct 2019 #43

For how much? herding cats Oct 2019 #54

for the vast majority edhopper Oct 2019 #60

Still nothing. herding cats Oct 2019 #63

Physicians for National Health Program, who developed Med for All blm Oct 2019 #65

Ok, show me. herding cats Oct 2019 #67

Go to experts. Go to Physicians for National Health Program blm Oct 2019 #70

Ok, I also have work to do at my job tomorrow. herding cats Oct 2019 #72

Unless you can tell us how much it will cost us individually forthemiddle Oct 2019 #82

Yeah, let's keep the current system edhopper Oct 2019 #83

Read my lips jcgoldie Oct 2019 #8

I may agree with you edhopper Oct 2019 #10

She has too many ideas and too many solutions jcgoldie Oct 2019 #11

The thing is that no one knows how much their taxes will go up vs. current cost of premiums. George II Oct 2019 #12

This is true, too. herding cats Oct 2019 #17

The current system is literally breaking millions and millions of people in this country. MrsCoffee Oct 2019 #75

Why she keeps saying edhopper Oct 2019 #19

For whom? herding cats Oct 2019 #23

Cutting out the middle men cuts costs blm Oct 2019 #25

Again, for whom? herding cats Oct 2019 #26

My premiums are around 8000.00 a year. blm Oct 2019 #31

Ok, I'm a tiny small business herding cats Oct 2019 #33

I'm a giant health insurance industry and I am no longer blm Oct 2019 #36

Ok, that doesn't even come close to answering my question. NT herding cats Oct 2019 #38

medicare edhopper Oct 2019 #44

Again, answer my question herding cats Oct 2019 #52

She was very very clear. She will not sign a bill that results in increasing costs. Ninga Oct 2019 #34

Does this mean private insurance or people such as me and mine already discounted by the ACA? herding cats Oct 2019 #35

I find it odd that you own other people jberryhill Oct 2019 #66

I get that. I'm speaking for family, employees and friends. Several of which crossover. herding cats Oct 2019 #69

Providers will have to take what we give them. Insurance companies wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #32

Here is the deal. If the zillionaires can be taxed on their wealth, then those who have employer Ninga Oct 2019 #37

I did the math on Gilibrand's while she was running RandySF Oct 2019 #39

and did you add out of pocket edhopper Oct 2019 #47

I haven't paid a deductible throughout my treatment for anxiety. RandySF Oct 2019 #50

Look above. herding cats Oct 2019 #55

Very predictable RW talking points Midnightwalk Oct 2019 #48

unless we can provide it to everyone edhopper Oct 2019 #51

Lose the election and we fail sooner and worse Midnightwalk Oct 2019 #62

Warren is making it seem worse by not simply stating it the way you are in the OP. gulliver Oct 2019 #56

I think subsidizing the for profit edhopper Oct 2019 #57

You could choose not to subsidize the for profit companies. gulliver Oct 2019 #58

Eliminating military waste The Wizard Oct 2019 #64

Warren apparently think it's bad because she won't say that yes, taxes will go up but most will emmaverybo Oct 2019 #68

Some of our employers pay 100% of our premiums. ecstatic Oct 2019 #73

That they write off their taxes as a business expense. Who makes up blm Oct 2019 #76

Yes.spot on. Nt Ninga Oct 2019 #79

Our current system costs 10k per citizen Buzz cook Oct 2019 #81

Not just that, it's an argument based on right wing framing. aidbo Oct 2019 #84

Absolutely!! edhopper Oct 2019 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #86

So you want to keep edhopper Oct 2019 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #88

Plan B edhopper Oct 2019 #89