Democratic Primaries

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54. For how much?

Reply to edhopper (Reply #43)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 11:05 PM

Oct 2019

I need numbers and I've offered up the same in this thread. Like I've said, I just need some figures here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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So what I see here is raising taxes for M4A in exchange for no health care premiums [View all] edhopper Oct 2019 OP

What I see is someone too afraid to talk about her plan DrToast Oct 2019 #1

Not a difficult concept for me. I totally under Ninga Oct 2019 #5

I don't get the 'gee, I don't get it' crowd. blm Oct 2019 #27

What I see is an also ran with a nasty disposition, their supporters and LarryNM Oct 2019 #14

Oh yeah.. who's that? I'm not watching. Cha Oct 2019 #18

Yup. dflprincess Oct 2019 #21

Hear, hear. nt Doremus Oct 2019 #29

If she can't handle some tough questions, then she can't handle Trump DrToast Oct 2019 #45

She's wise enough not to give opponents an out-of-context quote. nt LAS14 Oct 2019 #77

She's afraid of Republicans is supposed to be comforting? DrToast Oct 2019 #78

They should just call it Medicare premium instead of Medicare tax n/t Blaukraut Oct 2019 #2

Exactly. I'm collided that she hasn't used that. hedda_foil Oct 2019 #6

Spot on. Sen Warren needs to own that exact Ninga Oct 2019 #3

Her biggest problem tonight was how she framed it JCMach1 Oct 2019 #30

By us not having a universal healthcare system, people are already paying a Blue_true Oct 2019 #4

Paying for health insurance industry's padded overhead. blm Oct 2019 #71

That is a pretty impressive chart. It should be used more in debates. Blue_true Oct 2019 #80

Physicians for a National Health Program are ignored by corpmedia. blm Oct 2019 #90

I think the fear factor of losing your provider plays in massively here. herding cats Oct 2019 #7

If everyone has Medicare edhopper Oct 2019 #9

Where I am not all providers take Medicare. herding cats Oct 2019 #13

They will if everyone has it. edhopper Oct 2019 #15

You sure about that? herding cats Oct 2019 #40

rural people will now have medicare edhopper Oct 2019 #42

No, that doesn't answer my question. herding cats Oct 2019 #46

keeping the current system just makes this worse edhopper Oct 2019 #49

Still not answering me. herding cats Oct 2019 #53

your asking if M4A solves a problem edhopper Oct 2019 #59

No, that's not what I'm asking at all. I'm asking, time and time again, what me and mines impact is? herding cats Oct 2019 #61

It would be impossible to answer exactly what you and each of your employees would pay edhopper Oct 2019 #74

Not so. They will have a prepay system where those who can afford it wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #28

our system doesn't work edhopper Oct 2019 #41

People can lose access to the provider if their employer changes insurance companies dflprincess Oct 2019 #16

Sure, and people seek new employment often for this reason herding cats Oct 2019 #20

There are many arguments for unionization, this is not one of them dflprincess Oct 2019 #22

Ok, I'm a tiny small business. herding cats Oct 2019 #24

everyone gets medicare edhopper Oct 2019 #43

For how much? herding cats Oct 2019 #54

for the vast majority edhopper Oct 2019 #60

Still nothing. herding cats Oct 2019 #63

Physicians for National Health Program, who developed Med for All blm Oct 2019 #65

Ok, show me. herding cats Oct 2019 #67

Go to experts. Go to Physicians for National Health Program blm Oct 2019 #70

Ok, I also have work to do at my job tomorrow. herding cats Oct 2019 #72

Unless you can tell us how much it will cost us individually forthemiddle Oct 2019 #82

Yeah, let's keep the current system edhopper Oct 2019 #83

Read my lips jcgoldie Oct 2019 #8

I may agree with you edhopper Oct 2019 #10

She has too many ideas and too many solutions jcgoldie Oct 2019 #11

The thing is that no one knows how much their taxes will go up vs. current cost of premiums. George II Oct 2019 #12

This is true, too. herding cats Oct 2019 #17

The current system is literally breaking millions and millions of people in this country. MrsCoffee Oct 2019 #75

Why she keeps saying edhopper Oct 2019 #19

For whom? herding cats Oct 2019 #23

Cutting out the middle men cuts costs blm Oct 2019 #25

Again, for whom? herding cats Oct 2019 #26

My premiums are around 8000.00 a year. blm Oct 2019 #31

Ok, I'm a tiny small business herding cats Oct 2019 #33

I'm a giant health insurance industry and I am no longer blm Oct 2019 #36

Ok, that doesn't even come close to answering my question. NT herding cats Oct 2019 #38

medicare edhopper Oct 2019 #44

Again, answer my question herding cats Oct 2019 #52

She was very very clear. She will not sign a bill that results in increasing costs. Ninga Oct 2019 #34

Does this mean private insurance or people such as me and mine already discounted by the ACA? herding cats Oct 2019 #35

I find it odd that you own other people jberryhill Oct 2019 #66

I get that. I'm speaking for family, employees and friends. Several of which crossover. herding cats Oct 2019 #69

Providers will have to take what we give them. Insurance companies wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #32

Here is the deal. If the zillionaires can be taxed on their wealth, then those who have employer Ninga Oct 2019 #37

I did the math on Gilibrand's while she was running RandySF Oct 2019 #39

and did you add out of pocket edhopper Oct 2019 #47

I haven't paid a deductible throughout my treatment for anxiety. RandySF Oct 2019 #50

Look above. herding cats Oct 2019 #55

Very predictable RW talking points Midnightwalk Oct 2019 #48

unless we can provide it to everyone edhopper Oct 2019 #51

Lose the election and we fail sooner and worse Midnightwalk Oct 2019 #62

Warren is making it seem worse by not simply stating it the way you are in the OP. gulliver Oct 2019 #56

I think subsidizing the for profit edhopper Oct 2019 #57

You could choose not to subsidize the for profit companies. gulliver Oct 2019 #58

Eliminating military waste The Wizard Oct 2019 #64

Warren apparently think it's bad because she won't say that yes, taxes will go up but most will emmaverybo Oct 2019 #68

Some of our employers pay 100% of our premiums. ecstatic Oct 2019 #73

That they write off their taxes as a business expense. Who makes up blm Oct 2019 #76

Yes.spot on. Nt Ninga Oct 2019 #79

Our current system costs 10k per citizen Buzz cook Oct 2019 #81

Not just that, it's an argument based on right wing framing. aidbo Oct 2019 #84

Absolutely!! edhopper Oct 2019 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #86

So you want to keep edhopper Oct 2019 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #88

Plan B edhopper Oct 2019 #89