Democratic Primaries

Hoyt

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81. There you go, cut execs' salary to zero, and everyone would save 5 cents a month.

Reply to Boxerfan (Reply #43)

Wed Oct 16, 2019, 11:31 PM

Oct 2019

Those same execs oversee administration of Medicare, BTW.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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The eye-popping cost of Medicare for All [View all] Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 OP

How much is that counted in Trident Missiles? Hekate Oct 2019 #1

2,461 Ford class nuclear carriers (complete with electromagnetic launch systems) lapfog_1 Oct 2019 #23

No wonder EW doesn't want to talk about it. Really pleased this has come out. Voters need to know Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #2

Voters need to know that they will save $ when their new taxes are less than their current premiums. LonePirate Oct 2019 #8

It's funny how supporters never talk about how much the median taxpayer will save either... brooklynite Oct 2019 #11

Even if the savings are as low as 5%-10%, it's still a massive benefit for the country. LonePirate Oct 2019 #17

Well what are they then? qazplm135 Oct 2019 #28

For whom? Is that a serious question? Do you honestly think the average American will pay more? LonePirate Oct 2019 #33

yes it's a serious question qazplm135 Oct 2019 #35

Why would a Dem implement a system where the typical person pays more? How would that pass? LonePirate Oct 2019 #41

lol qazplm135 Oct 2019 #47

What's amusing is you thinking a Dem President can force Congress to pass such a bill. LonePirate Oct 2019 #49

What's amusing is you think qazplm135 Oct 2019 #58

have you lived in this country lately dsc Oct 2019 #160

consider recent history-- the cost of insurance under the ACA eilen Oct 2019 #144

You have no proof of what you say. wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #22

Why do you believe an MFA system implemented by Dems will increase costs to the average American? LonePirate Oct 2019 #32

for many of us, it isn't US that saves money on those premiums lapfog_1 Oct 2019 #27

if Congress has the wherewithal to pass an MFA bill, corporate taxes will definitely increase. LonePirate Oct 2019 #60

The "pound of Flesh" extracted by the repukes for lapfog_1 Oct 2019 #61

I am all for a tax increase since I would no longer pay premiums, co-pays, deductibles, meds, etc. LonePirate Oct 2019 #62

good - I'm guessing you don't have a decent employer provided ( or union provided ) plan -n/t lapfog_1 Oct 2019 #63

I have great insurance. I will still be better off under MFA as will you and every other American. LonePirate Oct 2019 #64

maybe the "insurance" will be fine... lapfog_1 Oct 2019 #65

Now take your preposterous 14% increase and start deducting everything you no longer pay for. LonePirate Oct 2019 #66

I have a decent insurance plan... medical, dental, vision lapfog_1 Oct 2019 #67

Nice, it sounds like you got yours BBG Oct 2019 #92

Copays and deductibles? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #183

Look at all the anger here earlier from wealthy people who had their SALT deductions limited to 10K MichMan Oct 2019 #68

Not every American. Some who pay very little for employer-provided good quality plans won't be emmaverybo Oct 2019 #128

You can focus on selfish outliers. Real Democrats like me will focus on the good for all of society. LonePirate Oct 2019 #129

Many have very low co-pays,no deductibles, prescriptions never more than $15 and usually about emmaverybo Oct 2019 #134

Medicare pays for 80% for hospitalization eilen Oct 2019 #145

Corporate taxes are ultimately passed on to the consumer MichMan Oct 2019 #153

Yes elleng Oct 2019 #51

Societal Savings are not tax revenues and this plan will not work in the real world Gothmog Oct 2019 #122

What do you think happens to the premiums deducted from paychecks under an MFA plan? LonePirate Oct 2019 #124

You keep saying this. Can you tell me what you mean? dpibel Oct 2019 #132

Read the studies being used to support these single payer plans Gothmog Oct 2019 #167

Friend, dpibel Oct 2019 #169

Again, you have to pay for these programs with tax revenues and not societal savings Gothmog Oct 2019 #171

Again, dpibel Oct 2019 #172

I read and understood the material Gothmog Oct 2019 #174

And you still won't say what "societal savings" means dpibel Oct 2019 #175

Deepest apologies dpibel Oct 2019 #181

A dose of reality for Medicare-for-all Gothmog Oct 2019 #190

Read the material Gothmog Oct 2019 #184

Did you actuall read the material and that is what you got from it Gothmog Oct 2019 #185

Nobody has ever been able to specifically quantify the "savings" that would result, nor... George II Oct 2019 #186

EXACTLY RIGHT!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #176

how many people know what DRG is? Medicare effectively sets a max cost and once any provider hits beachbumbob Oct 2019 #3

34 trillion vs 1.7 trillion over 10 years wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #4

This is just bullshit. Other developed nations are able to provide healthcare for all at a fraction Doodley Oct 2019 #5

Read the article and the links provided Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #7

A "Left leaning" study in America is far right by the standards of most Doodley Oct 2019 #82

You're not in the UK Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #84

What shit? What are you talking about? Listen to yourself. Doodley Oct 2019 #87

Back at you Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #88

USA pays nearly 18% GDP for healthcare. UK less than 10%. Guess what? The Brits Doodley Oct 2019 #90

Do they now? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #99

You didn't ask me, but here are some numbers dpibel Oct 2019 #104

Thank you for providing facts that every American should be aware of. Doodley Oct 2019 #107

Yo is Not "spreading rw propaganda".. He Cha Oct 2019 #12

Other nations do not have a population of Zoonart Oct 2019 #31

Thanks for the far right talking points. Doodley Oct 2019 #83

Other nations have two characteristics that we don't have. Blue_true Oct 2019 #79

I've heard the same talking points on Fox News. Ever heard of economies of scale? Doodley Oct 2019 #85

Shop around for MRI? Blue_true Oct 2019 #96

Why do you use the "LOL" when it comes to MRI? I don't find it funny that Doodley Oct 2019 #109

I would rather pay someone who is not going to rush through something Blue_true Oct 2019 #115

That's why we have the term "per capita" dpibel Oct 2019 #94

I understand what per capital means. Blue_true Oct 2019 #98

I'm afraid you are confused dpibel Oct 2019 #100

What are you missing? Lots. Blue_true Oct 2019 #101

Last go round dpibel Oct 2019 #102

Insurance companies have extensive claims and payment infrastructure in place. Blue_true Oct 2019 #116

Throw in free childcare for every baby, free college and eliminating student debt and I say we have UniteFightBack Oct 2019 #6

The Eye Popping costs of what we pay now are probably more. bullimiami Oct 2019 #9

Yup. We are already paying WAY MORE, inc bloated corporate overheads blm Oct 2019 #14

Overhead is an accounting term. It can be figured in many ways. That chart has no explanation. wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #20

Uh huh. No one at Physicians for National Health Program is smarter blm Oct 2019 #42

We spent $3.5 trillion, or $10,739 per person in 2017. angstlessk Oct 2019 #59

"Premiums would disappear, and 95% of all households would save money." blm Oct 2019 #10

Are you familiar with Medicare? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #13

Yes. It all needs an overhaul. blm Oct 2019 #15

Why becuase you think so? The American people do not think so. Supporting that is supporting trump wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #18

Majority of American people DO support single-payer. blm Oct 2019 #25

I'm 69 and have been on Medicare Advantage for 3 years and beg to disagree CurtEastPoint Oct 2019 #29

But, so many Democrats believe Medicare Advantage is a scam. Hoyt Oct 2019 #80

I have Aetna and I kinda hate them for some admin and CurtEastPoint Oct 2019 #112

I liked it. But if I were one of those who had to see a certain doc, take any medicine I wanted, Hoyt Oct 2019 #113

But those are all private health insurance companies eilen Oct 2019 #147

That's why there is choice, and one can go back to Medicare if Hoyt Oct 2019 #148

All fairy tales! Where is the study that supports all that? It is just made up shit! wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #16

Go to Physicians for a National Health Program site. There are blm Oct 2019 #21

I've been hearing that since 1977 when I worked for a state Medicaid agency, even believed it. Hoyt Oct 2019 #30

I don't disagree about a public option as first step. blm Oct 2019 #36

If only a Public Option had been enacted, 80% of population would be enrolled by now, close to MFA. Hoyt Oct 2019 #44

Exactly. blm Oct 2019 #46

Yeah. If only. kcr Oct 2019 #111

Let's use some arithmetic Midnightwalk Oct 2019 #19

"The US spent 3.5 trillion in 2017 and 3.5 * 10 is close to 34 trillion." AncientGeezer Oct 2019 #40

Doh l didn't say on healthcare Midnightwalk Oct 2019 #45

I think the nature of these discussion that center around the question of The Liberal Lion Oct 2019 #24

15-20% VAT MichMan Oct 2019 #70

I agree with you on both counts The Liberal Lion Oct 2019 #106

A VAT is a tax on the poor. former9thward Oct 2019 #138

The population of thoes 3 nations is approximatly 176million...combined. AncientGeezer Oct 2019 #72

Respectfully The Liberal Lion Oct 2019 #105

I respectfully disagree..it's a matter of comparing apples to a cactus. AncientGeezer Oct 2019 #120

Simple: put a tax on all Wall Street financial transactions CurtEastPoint Oct 2019 #26

✔️ blm Oct 2019 #39

In 2018 the US spent ... GeorgeGist Oct 2019 #34

The real question should be "How much does it cost now?" flotsam Oct 2019 #37

The real question should be "How much does it cost now?" flotsam Oct 2019 #38

The eye popping costs of Insurance executives-AND Boxerfan Oct 2019 #43

There you go, cut execs' salary to zero, and everyone would save 5 cents a month. Hoyt Oct 2019 #81

A nickel's a bit low. It's also irrelevant. dpibel Oct 2019 #114

$4 Insulin costs $400 a month wellst0nev0ter Oct 2019 #48

The rich will pay most of it. Joe941 Oct 2019 #50

Are you sure? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #52

No they won't.....they will move their money. AncientGeezer Oct 2019 #121

They cant move money that hasnt been made yet. Joe941 Oct 2019 #125

It will bankrupt the country and people know it BlueMississippi Oct 2019 #53

It can be done. Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #54

That is not MFA - that is extension of ACA nt BlueMississippi Oct 2019 #55

Yes. Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #56

Yes -- but that will take years and I have no problem transitioning nt BlueMississippi Oct 2019 #57

Agree. That's fastest way to better healthcare system as long as so many are skeptical. Hoyt Oct 2019 #78

How does that work dpibel Oct 2019 #74

Currently, the entire spending comes from older, at-risk people BlueMississippi Oct 2019 #75

What? dpibel Oct 2019 #86

Thank you. Some of the arguments against single payer blm Oct 2019 #103

We are already well on our way to bankruptcy... Joe941 Oct 2019 #133

Americans are not ready for a 65% income tax PhoenixDem Oct 2019 #69

Haven't you heard? The rich will be paying for all of it MichMan Oct 2019 #71

lol PhoenixDem Oct 2019 #73

Where did you get that number, 65%? Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #76

Over $10,000 a year for every man, woman and child in the US lapfog_1 Oct 2019 #77

You are right. These are bullshit numbers. They are talking point numbers that are there to help Doodley Oct 2019 #89

It is hard to believe dpibel Oct 2019 #91

Yes, it is real, but the idea that we have to almost double it to cover everybody is not real. Doodley Oct 2019 #93

I'm sorry. dpibel Oct 2019 #95

You are correct. I would say that all Democrats need to wake up to what you are saying: Doodley Oct 2019 #110

Because your math is wrong dansolo Oct 2019 #150

Beg to differ dpibel Oct 2019 #155

My source? The Urban Institute dansolo Oct 2019 #182

This is pretty wild dpibel Oct 2019 #97

excuse me but how much are we paying now???????????????????????? garybeck Oct 2019 #108

K&R!!!! iwannaknow Oct 2019 #141

Ron Brownstein tweet: highplainsdem Oct 2019 #117

"Coverage" does equate to access to care dflprincess Oct 2019 #118

the eye-popping... myohmy2 Oct 2019 #119

Joe Biden's health plan looks like the winner Gothmog Oct 2019 #123

We already pay it. gibraltar72 Oct 2019 #126

Yes!!!!!!! iwannaknow Oct 2019 #142

I thought Warren's M4A plan was (essentially) the same as Bernie M4A plan. If so, why only require in2herbs Oct 2019 #127

Warren Left $30 Trillion Short of Paying for Her Health Plan Gothmog Oct 2019 #130

40% is a pretty big fraction dpibel Oct 2019 #135

Let me simplify this Crazyleftie Oct 2019 #131

Well stated! iwannaknow Oct 2019 #139

Support for a public option has been increasing, and for Medicare-for-All has been decreasing Gothmog Oct 2019 #136

Why Elizabeth Warren won't talk about the cost of 'Medicare for All' Gothmog Oct 2019 #137

This is a bogus argument. Overall healthcare costs will go down with M4A. iwannaknow Oct 2019 #140

Societal savings are not tax revenues and cannot be used to pay for this program Gothmog Oct 2019 #143

I ask you again dpibel Oct 2019 #156

NYT-This Is the Strongest Argument Against Medicare for All- Gothmog Oct 2019 #161

Seriously? dpibel Oct 2019 #162

Read the Krugman article Gothmog Oct 2019 #163

This part? Or a different one? dpibel Oct 2019 #164

Still waiting, btw dpibel Oct 2019 #165

See post 167 Gothmog Oct 2019 #168

Again, read the material Gothmog Oct 2019 #166

Choices for Financing Medicare for All: A Preliminary Analysis Gothmog Oct 2019 #191

Thanks to none other than the the Koch brother we now know manintheback Oct 2019 #146

Actually, that Intercept claim is a little off, factually speaking ehrnst Oct 2019 #149

We still have NO concrete idea of how much "M4A" will cost overall. George II Oct 2019 #154

About 11% more than we currently spend dpibel Oct 2019 #158

my eyes popped. hope i can afford to get them fixed. haha. Kurt V. Oct 2019 #151

The discussion ends when you consider we are all human and should be better than this, meaning, yes rainy Oct 2019 #152

In 2017 total health care spending in the US was $3.5 trillion. mn9driver Oct 2019 #157

controling costs is the first step questionseverything Oct 2019 #159

Word of advice Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 #173

Honest question Skid Rogue Oct 2019 #170

I can prove MFA will save money for middle class at140 Oct 2019 #177

More boomer_wv Oct 2019 #178

Vs the eye poping cost of the current insurance system? Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #179

It might be hard to quantify. Turbineguy Oct 2019 #180

A dose of reality for Medicare-for-all Gothmog Oct 2019 #187

Jennifer Rubin melman Oct 2019 #188

Choices for Financing Medicare for All: A Preliminary Analysis Gothmog Oct 2019 #189

lol melman Oct 2019 #192

Medicare for All's jobs problem Gothmog Nov 2019 #193

Nancy Pelosi is "not for doing away with Obamacare" and prefers to give people choices. Gothmog Dec 2019 #194