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wasupaloopa

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28. No it does not. The ACA is our starting point. We cannot afford single payer. We can't go from here

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 11:29 AM

Oct 2019

to there in months or years. It will take a generation before everyone in the USA is covered by a single payer system.

We cannot possibly have enough votes in the Senate to pass single payer. The SCOTUS will have to weigh in on it.

The next Repub Congress and President could repeal it.

Yesterday we learned that single payer would cost $34 Trillion over 10 years.

Any new health care legislation will be a bipartisan compromise in the Congress.

Nobody even knows what a single payer system would look like or how it operates.

You can't force the current system to just melt into the ground and go away.

If you want single payer take time to study it. Write white papers on it. Have independent studies. make it so everyone can understand it. Then if it is a better system it will pass.

But in 2020 it will help trump and hurt us.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Stop calling it Medicare for All and we will see a serious decrease in "attacks" [View all] TidalWave46 Oct 2019 OP

Medicare For All WAS the rebranding of "Single Payer" DrToast Oct 2019 #1

It was also a rebranding of the term socialized health care. wcast Oct 2019 #3

Exactly. SP is a scary unknown. "Medicare" is something people understand and like. thesquanderer Oct 2019 #27

It is a way to lie to people! wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #29

It's not a lie, it's a metaphor. thesquanderer Oct 2019 #31

Looks like a lie to me. Call it what you want. It is bait and switch. wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #36

The bait and switch is, it's not Medicare, it's Medicare but better. thesquanderer Oct 2019 #39

M4A does not exist and never will! It is a paper Bernie wrote and not even complete. It is pie in wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #43

re: "You act as if it is laying there on the table and all we have to do is implement it." thesquanderer Oct 2019 #45

I totally agree TidalWave, gab13by13 Oct 2019 #2

Branding and optics are most important if you want to sell anything randr Oct 2019 #4

Everyone should get rid of the word "Medicare" in reference to any healthcare insurance plan... George II Oct 2019 #5

healthcare in america is not based on preventative measures as there is money to be made in sick beachbumbob Oct 2019 #6

That is where people go wrong. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #7

the great majority is not preventative care, Medicaid for instance is reactive and why that beachbumbob Oct 2019 #11

Agree. NT TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #20

Not in MY America. George II Oct 2019 #8

Sorry, yet you are wrong. sheshe2 Oct 2019 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #9

Too late. The media likes to call it that just like "ObamaCare" is the name they gave book_worm Oct 2019 #10

democrats are simply HORRIBLE at marketing. beachbumbob Oct 2019 #13

This, I agree with Baked Potato Oct 2019 #40

I think we should call it "ice cream" Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #12

lol, not by those who know they will be paying for the ice cream beachbumbob Oct 2019 #14

I don't think that's accurate. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #15

well assume whatever you want, all I know is we are not a left-center country and beachbumbob Oct 2019 #17

I don't know what assumption you're referring to... Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #18

The assumptiom that Americans want single payer free health care paid for by higher taxes. wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #30

As I am a very stupid person, I don't recall doing the the thing you said I did. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #33

This whole debae is about M4A which you support . wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #35

Nowhere did I voice support for M4A. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #37

Yep. There isn't much difference. NT TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #23

Don't think changing the name is going to make people more comfortable until they know Hoyt Oct 2019 #16

I fully agree with this. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #22

Is this the bargaining stage? aidbo Oct 2019 #19

My apologies, I'm not sure what you mean. NT TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #21

Rebranding won't help. We can try realistically for a public option, but not with a fake demand highplainsdem Oct 2019 #24

It was deliberately framed as MFA because the thought was that everyone loved Medicare MichMan Oct 2019 #25

Medicare for all was chosen as an easily understood alternative to single payer BlueMississippi Oct 2019 #26

No it does not. The ACA is our starting point. We cannot afford single payer. We can't go from here wasupaloopa Oct 2019 #28

Do specifics help? Midnightwalk Oct 2019 #32

Let's just get rid of the entire English language marybourg Oct 2019 #34

Specifics and details don't help Baked Potato Oct 2019 #38

S. 1129 roody Oct 2019 #41

The Genie Is Out Of The Bottle corbettkroehler Oct 2019 #42