Democratic Primaries

Blistering Sun

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48. My sense is that the tide is turning.

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 03:47 PM

Oct 2019

Last night was a awake up call in my estimation. The liberal wing of the party is staged for a come back based on the advantages of the Public Option approach. Klobachar, Buttigieg, and Biden made sense last night. Sanders, at least, was forthright.

How does one explain to a union member who has great employer provided healthcare now--won as a result of union struggles and concessions in other areas, including wages--that they will see total "reduced costs" when their "free" insurance goes away and they inevitably pay much higher taxes for plans that may not be a good as what they have now?

If we love the union vote in the industrial states we have no path in the electoral college.

Losing to Trump can't be an option. We need to be strategic.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Moody's analytics predicts Trump will win in all three scenarios [View all] helpisontheway Oct 2019 OP

Have that compared that to other presidents that the public wanted to impeach at 52%? htuttle Oct 2019 #1

Trump is a black swan event. Previous patterns can't be used The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #2

this mopinko Oct 2019 #40

How can they make predictions of all those things a year ahead of the election? nt pnwmom Oct 2019 #3

If the savagery among our primary candidates & far left tv pundits continues, I can see that..... Tarheel_Dem Oct 2019 #4

Who's a far-left pundit in mainstream media? BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2019 #78

I swear to gawd I will not be responsible for my behavior if that orange a kennedy Oct 2019 #5

They also predicted Clinton would beat Trump. highplainsdem Oct 2019 #6

Oh so that must be the one time that they were incorrect.nt helpisontheway Oct 2019 #12

Apparently. They predicted Clinton would win 270 electoral votes... Drunken Irishman Oct 2019 #14

In 2016 they predicted Clinton would win 332 EV's, Rump 206 Celerity Oct 2019 #35

She was about to beat Trump--decisively--before Comey intervened at the last minute. StevieM Oct 2019 #24

That's good to ******* know. Cha Oct 2019 #26

Not worried. Moody's lied about the values of no_hypocrisy Oct 2019 #7

I read this last night peggysue2 Oct 2019 #8

Also.. highplainsdem has a link upthread Cha Oct 2019 #28

We can't underestimate the impact of voter suppression, foreign interference and cheating dlk Oct 2019 #9

He wasn't elected the first time, he was installed. pnwest Oct 2019 #10

+1 flamingdem Oct 2019 #18

Trumps destroys everything he gets within a few feet of..including Moodys.. Peacetrain Oct 2019 #11

He wasn't elected in the first place. Moody's fair election premise renders their prediction invalid Claritie Pixie Oct 2019 #13

The only recent election they got wrong was 2016 - when they predicted Hillary would win 270 EV... Drunken Irishman Oct 2019 #15

Except for 2000, none of these presidential elections DeminPennswoods Oct 2019 #36

I guess particularly close is subjective... Drunken Irishman Oct 2019 #37

Moody's is missing one critical point...w/ the economy being strong for so long, it's receded as ... SWBTATTReg Oct 2019 #16

Elections are not won by the right or left! Tennessee Tuxedo Oct 2019 #20

They are MFM008 Oct 2019 #79

Live in Michigan and am union Tennessee Tuxedo Oct 2019 #17

your tiny slice qazplm135 Oct 2019 #27

doesn't Biden look more palatable.... TrunKated Oct 2019 #29

Remember when Bill Clinton said Tennessee Tuxedo Oct 2019 #43

Good union jobs and voting Republican, huh? kcr Oct 2019 #33

Trump only won Michigan Tennessee Tuxedo Oct 2019 #39

Just asking, do you have anything to back up your claims that unions are all in for dotard? Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #69

Sure he does. After all those layoffs due to the tariffs, they LOVE him up there. PatrickforO Oct 2019 #93

Correct. Democrats DO NOT have to move right to win. Blistering Sun Oct 2019 #68

BINGO The Mouth Oct 2019 #42

Our party is loosing the middle of the road voters Tennessee Tuxedo Oct 2019 #45

More of America is in 'the middle' The Mouth Oct 2019 #47

Last time we ran a middle of the road candidate, we lost the electoral college. PatrickforO Oct 2019 #94

Spot on! Blistering Sun Oct 2019 #44

Thanks! Tennessee Tuxedo Oct 2019 #46

My sense is that the tide is turning. Blistering Sun Oct 2019 #48

My wife has cancer Tennessee Tuxedo Oct 2019 #50

What a blessing to still have your wife with you! Blistering Sun Oct 2019 #53

Polls of your state residents shows Trump losing Michigan big to any top Dem. Blue_true Oct 2019 #88

For better or worse, Dems are a factor empedocles Oct 2019 #19

Warning to Democrats: Economy points to a Trump win Gothmog Oct 2019 #21

He can't win if his approval rating Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #22

Economic models point to a Trump blowout in 2020. Gothmog Oct 2019 #25

lol a blowout? qazplm135 Oct 2019 #30

The Trumpists are aiming at winning Minnesota, for one. Blistering Sun Oct 2019 #49

So let's go in order qazplm135 Oct 2019 #51

Trump would be no less the president in 2020 if he wins by only one electoral vote. Blistering Sun Oct 2019 #55

yes yes qazplm135 Oct 2019 #56

Look at the map. Blistering Sun Oct 2019 #57

if one more Biden fan qazplm135 Oct 2019 #62

Nah. I'm a liberal Democrat who strongly supports the liberal tradition of our party. Blistering Sun Oct 2019 #63

Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #65

Funny that you think you can tell me who I am. Blistering Sun Oct 2019 #83

The farther left voters like to think they are the ones that came up with new liberal ideas Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #72

Every advance we've made towards becoming a more just society is due to the efforts of... Blistering Sun Oct 2019 #82

I have to correct you. They think they are the ones who have ideas, period. Only their candidates emmaverybo Oct 2019 #89

"I am amazed that many of those self-identifying as progressives ... are not actually familiar betsuni Oct 2019 #90

Thank you ChubbyStar Oct 2019 #60

The "meme" that we need to win the electoral college" to win the election. Blistering Sun Oct 2019 #64

Gee how sweet ChubbyStar Oct 2019 #66

Hold your own damn beer. Blistering Sun Oct 2019 #67

It's a mystery.. one they don't like to talk about! Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #73

Wanna talk about it? ChubbyStar Oct 2019 #75

After your replies above, no Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #80

Of course ChubbyStar Oct 2019 #81

"Gee how sweet. Hold my beer." Catchy line for a bar. Not exactly someone I would want to have a Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #84

I don't know I don't go to bars ChubbyStar Oct 2019 #87

LOL. Just a meme, a mindless bit of folk wisdom, this stupid notion that we need to win in emmaverybo Oct 2019 #91

You are right!! Regardless of the naysayers Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #71

I get that Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #31

The scary thing is the cheating and probably much improved cyber attack from Russians than emmaverybo Oct 2019 #92

The same model that predicted Hillary would win? kcr Oct 2019 #34

This!! Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #70

I disagree. Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #23

is the economy really dpomg well.. TrunKated Oct 2019 #32

Good point! get the red out Oct 2019 #54

The Finance 202: Economists project Trump will win easily in 2020 -- and by a bigger margin Gothmog Oct 2019 #38

As usual the voice of sanity!! Thx Gothmog Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #74

Those aren't everything The Mouth Oct 2019 #41

Factor in Pelosi, Schiff, and the 52% arising. N/T badseedboy Oct 2019 #52

Nice try! That old math didn't work in the last election - Hillary didn't win. FM123 Oct 2019 #58

The notion of an "easy win"... regnaD kciN Oct 2019 #59

They were wrong in 2016 MFM008 Oct 2019 #61

If he is on the ticket. nt tblue37 Oct 2019 #76

When polled more people credit Obama's turnaround of the economy blm Oct 2019 #77

You can discount it based on this one quote: Downtown Hound Oct 2019 #85

Some are predicting the economy and stock market will crash before the election. Joe941 Oct 2019 #86

The Democratic Party need to nominate an electable candidate Gothmog Oct 2019 #95

There couldn't be a more John Madden-esque observation. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #96

There are many who take the position that we need to nominate a very far left candidate Gothmog Oct 2019 #97

Yeah, I have subjective opinions, too. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #98