Democratic Primaries

Hoyt

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44. If Sanders wanted change, he'd accept Public Option is the fastest way to a single payer system.

Fri Oct 18, 2019, 10:40 AM

Oct 2019

Most people are not going to accept a single payer system being crammed down their throats if they don't know enough about it to know if they want it.

Most people would be glad to consider a public option -- with all details spelled out -- in comparison to health plans they are familiar with. If a public option is anywhere near as good as we think, they'll gravitate to it quickly.

It would really help if Sanders and Warren were to tell people what they will have to pay in taxes or premiums. They know taxes will have to go up -- supposedly replacing premiums and out-of-pocket costs -- but they can't tell us what we will pay.

One reason they can't do that is that they have other proposals that will require taxes to increase such as: bolstering Social Security, college debt, "free" college, child care, climate change, infra structure, etc. The top 1% aren't going to pay for all that because their wealth is mostly on paper.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Smh.. BS.."I get a little bit tired of Democrats who defend a cruel, dysfunctional health care.." [View all] Cha Oct 2019 OP

same health care system that saved him from heart attack death lol nt msongs Oct 2019 #1

Thing is, not everyone has access to our wonderful healthcare system. HerbChestnut Oct 2019 #42

Thank you... pangaia Oct 2019 #101

Thank you Ferrets are Cool Oct 2019 #104

BS is being "divisive" here.. Dems are NOT supporting.. Cha Dec 2019 #165

Then you run for Congress and you too can have a ''wonderful'' healthcare plan. YOHABLO Oct 2019 #127

BS is wrong.. The Dems support Improving Health care..& he's.. Cha Dec 2019 #169

If Sanders really cares about people having healthcare, WHY Hortensis Dec 2019 #170

Thoughtless thing to say n/t sammythecat Nov 2019 #148

Medicare? Go figure. EmInColorado Nov 2019 #149

"Health care system" and "health insurance" are very different Merlot Dec 2019 #179

Exactly! dflprincess Dec 2019 #187

How interesting. I get a little tired of BS from BS the "not Democrat." n/t. NNadir Oct 2019 #2

There you have it oldsoftie Oct 2019 #18

It's his Bros. ChiTownDenny Oct 2019 #25

The quote in the OP is from Cha Oct 2019 #100

The replies to Charles Gaba are from his Bros. ChiTownDenny Oct 2019 #106

Oh Mahalo! Cha Oct 2019 #107

Incredibly so. Cha Oct 2019 #98

Amen! redstatebluegirl Dec 2019 #177

.. Cha Dec 2019 #186

Bernie in 2017 on CNN: betsuni Oct 2019 #3

Thank you for that, betsuni.. I actually saw that Cha Oct 2019 #4

Accusing Democrats of defending leaving 87 million Americans uninsured or underinsured. betsuni Oct 2019 #7

And, during the General Election one of Cha Oct 2019 #9

It's happening. Biden and Warren are getting the "Democrats are the REAL warmongers" thing. betsuni Oct 2019 #12

It's beyond scary.. they Cha Oct 2019 #14

I found this in the link of the Charles Gaba tweet.... Cha Oct 2019 #20

+1 betsuni Oct 2019 #24

His plan couldn't be fully implemented for several years, and Hortensis Oct 2019 #27

This the reason why I would never support Bernie's plan dansolo Oct 2019 #114

I wouldn't worry about that, Dansolo. Those so extreme arer Hortensis Oct 2019 #115

Exactly.. thank you, dansolo Cha Oct 2019 #131

Fearmongering, thats what it is. oldsoftie Oct 2019 #17

So.. Cha Oct 2019 #21

+1 betsuni Oct 2019 #23

BS' speech writer.. "..then lots of people are going to die..." Cha Oct 2019 #90

Thanks for posting that tweet again. betsuni Oct 2019 #91

Birds of feather.. Cha Oct 2019 #92

Oh yeah.. and I'm Tired of that. Cha Nov 2019 #144

It's called campaigning. I recall he said it could be done in 8 years in 2016. Now it's 2 YEARS!!! ehrnst Dec 2019 #176

Bears repeating.. Mahalo, betsuni! Cha Dec 2019 #185

Health Care is important, but right now there are bigger issues. 33taw Oct 2019 #5

Health care is uber important but Cha Oct 2019 #6

Of course not 33taw Oct 2019 #32

Apparently that's how the Dems Cha Oct 2019 #33

Agree. All healthcare plans depending on them. Hortensis Oct 2019 #29

What is a bigger issue than people going bankrupt and destitute because of healthcare bills? YOHABLO Oct 2019 #128

Being taken over by a foreign government that is lead by a dictator. 33taw Oct 2019 #129

This is what you fret about when you wake up at night? n/t sammythecat Nov 2019 #147

? I am not fretting at night. 33taw Nov 2019 #156

I think this election is about natural security, not healthcare as the focus. 33taw Oct 2019 #135

Did you mean 'national security'? As long as there's a GOP no one is safe. YOHABLO Oct 2019 #136

Yes, typo. Thx. 33taw Oct 2019 #138

It's most and all Dems want to improve it.. BS is Wrong Cha Dec 2019 #172

Pretty sure making sure peeople aren't dying is top of the charts EmInColorado Nov 2019 #150

No Democrats want to keep the status quo on healthcare. None. SunSeeker Oct 2019 #8

Of course not.. so what is he Cha Oct 2019 #11

Feeding his base a steaming pile of Both Sides Bad Grokenstein Oct 2019 #13

Doesn't care.. Thank you Cha Oct 2019 #95

+100000 Celerity Dec 2019 #163

Obamacare a "cruel, dysfunctional health care system." Hortensis Oct 2019 #10

"I believe you, Senator Sanders.... pazzyanne Oct 2019 #26

Um M4A is not a pipe dream Sen Klobuchar, unlike your ambition to become POTUS. YOHABLO Oct 2019 #102

Ewww, I am assuming that your post is more about the post before mine, than mine. pazzyanne Oct 2019 #105

That's so rude. Cha Oct 2019 #124

Bazinga! George II Oct 2019 #60

The ACA is not a healthcare system dflprincess Dec 2019 #188

100% wrong. There is no underwriting in the ACA, no refusals. Hortensis Dec 2019 #197

I get a little tired of certain people wagging their fingers at Democrats pnwmom Oct 2019 #15

I know, right.. :( Cha Oct 2019 #16

Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #19

I have ignored most of what Sanders has ranted upon for years beachbumbob Oct 2019 #22

Gah .. always the melodrama and always the attacks on Democrats BlueMississippi Oct 2019 #28

This! Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #82

I can't Say what I really Cha Oct 2019 #108

Yes more attacks.. Cha Dec 2019 #166

.. Cha Dec 2019 #174

OMFG PhoenixDem Oct 2019 #30

Another attack on the Democratic Party peggysue2 Oct 2019 #31

Know what I get a little tired of... Zoonart Oct 2019 #34

Bernie is correct. Joe941 Oct 2019 #35

How do you feel about the "unfounded attacks" on the Democratic party? NurseJackie Oct 2019 #37

Bernie is the candidate of real change. Joe941 Oct 2019 #40

When someone smears and denigrates the Democratic party it creates division and distrust. NurseJackie Oct 2019 #41

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2019 #49

He's been in DC for almost 30 years, what has he changed in that time, anything? George II Oct 2019 #46

You need votes to change things. He is one person. Joe941 Oct 2019 #57

LOL! NurseJackie Oct 2019 #62

Others have made real change - Elizabeth Warren - CFPB, Pelosi got the ACA passed, ehrnst Oct 2019 #64

Obama got ACA passed not Pelosi hence the name Obamacare. Joe941 Oct 2019 #67

It was a TEAM EFFORT.. the Cha Oct 2019 #72

Exactly it was a team effort. Not one person. That's my whole point! Joe941 Oct 2019 #73

So when one can't work well with other people, then one doesn't accomplish much. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2019 #94

It was definitely a team effort and without Pelosi, Harry Reid and other leaders it never Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #84

And... Joe Biden! Cha Oct 2019 #87

You don't seem to be aware that he wasn't going to try to pass it, but Pelosi assured him ehrnst Oct 2019 #93

Pelosi got it through Congress when others were ready to give up delisen Dec 2019 #178

He is a candidate that sloganeers change which is unattainable BlueMississippi Oct 2019 #53

Are the anti Bernie people accepting the repukes arguments now. Joe941 Oct 2019 #58

This isn't RW talking points. It's the reality of how several here see it Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #85

Nice try. ehrnst Oct 2019 #96

When trying to pass real legislation whom ever it might be, you've got to have real allies and Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #83

Strongly worded statements do not accomplishments make. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2019 #97

BS is completely wrong about this BlueMississippi Oct 2019 #50

Strawman arguement. Joe941 Oct 2019 #56

Whether it is a right or not (I think it is a human right) BlueMississippi Oct 2019 #61

Bernie has the correct plan. Joe941 Oct 2019 #68

Then there are people who never admit that BS is wrong. BlueMississippi Oct 2019 #79

Just as you have an opinion and you are entitled to it, so do others. Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #86

NOPE.. BS is Absolutely WRONG.. the PROOF Cha Oct 2019 #65

No BS is WRONG. Cha Oct 2019 #63

That's your opinion not fact. Joe941 Oct 2019 #66

It is FACT. Cha Oct 2019 #69

Ok. Thanks. Joe941 Oct 2019 #71

BS is Not "correct" read the OP.. he's Wrong. Cha Oct 2019 #111

Nope. Joe941 Oct 2019 #112

Why do you call him BS all the time ? ritapria Oct 2019 #36

Those are his initials nt BlueMississippi Oct 2019 #51

Because of Huckabee Sanders LakeArenal Oct 2019 #54

No other candidate has those initials! Cha Oct 2019 #75

I'm pretty old... George II Oct 2019 #76

AOC! Cha Oct 2019 #77

HHH, HRC, BHO, etc. Oh, and one more..........WTF???? George II Oct 2019 #78

OMG! Cha Oct 2019 #88

M, O, U, S, Eeeeeeeeeeeeeee! LongtimeAZDem Nov 2019 #158

. raging moderate Nov 2019 #151

Kinda ridiculous. If you don't even know it yourself, you've answered your own question. MrsCoffee Nov 2019 #152

. raging moderate Nov 2019 #159

You accused people of going low for not using a nonexistent initial. MrsCoffee Nov 2019 #162

What kind of "treatment", rita? Cha Nov 2019 #146

Millions will lose their jobs and businesses under ecstatic Oct 2019 #38

That's something he's never addressed. He want to "outlaw" private insurance companies, but.... George II Oct 2019 #48

And it's not just insurance company workers. ecstatic Oct 2019 #89

So let's keep protecting the insurance companies and denying people access to care? dflprincess Dec 2019 #190

In Get A Little Tired Too Me. Oct 2019 #39

I got an email this morning with that as the subject line. It's a direct attack.... George II Oct 2019 #43

Why does he have to Cha Oct 2019 #132

If Sanders wanted change, he'd accept Public Option is the fastest way to a single payer system. Hoyt Oct 2019 #44

You're right. Unfortunately... NurseJackie Oct 2019 #47

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2019 #52

This is not helpful, Senator mcar Oct 2019 #45

Same ol.. Cha Oct 2019 #99

Dear Bernie: GemDigger Oct 2019 #55

A different take... Otto Lidenbrock Oct 2019 #59

Excellent, Otto.. Mahalo for Mangy Jay! Cha Oct 2019 #70

Sanders slimes the ACA. Gabbard calls HRC embodiment of corruption. Hortensis Oct 2019 #80

And when I walk into an understaffed day that starts with blood and shit ismnotwasm Oct 2019 #74

I know people that work in an ICU. sheshe2 Oct 2019 #81

Our healthcare system is horrible! JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #103

Hey BS!.. "73% Like Biden's plan BEST"!!! Cha Oct 2019 #109

I'm tired of his disingenuous insults. Cha Oct 2019 #110

Intense partisan dishonesty was always immoral, even Hortensis Oct 2019 #116

Yes, and some think they can't win without it.. Cha Oct 2019 #117

Yes. :) Obama's message was all positive and aspiring, all about Hortensis Oct 2019 #118

Kick betsuni Oct 2019 #113

Support for a public option has been increasing, and for Medicare-for-All has been decreasing Gothmog Oct 2019 #119

Good to KNOW! Cha Oct 2019 #123

Choices for Financing Medicare for All: A Preliminary Analysis Gothmog Oct 2019 #120

"little bit tired" folks need to take a long vacation. It'll do 'em oasis Oct 2019 #121

A dose of reality for Medicare-for-all Gothmog Oct 2019 #122

A good rule of thumb: Don't get to Pelosi's left Gothmog Oct 2019 #125

Nancy makes total sense! Cha Oct 2019 #126

Nancy knows how to evade Rubin's crankery WobblyDem Oct 2019 #133

Expanding infinitely is not the same, or as large, as infinity. WobblyDem Oct 2019 #130

Joe Biden's health care plan will be ready to go the day he's sworn into office Gothmog Oct 2019 #134

Thank you, Goth! Biden's Health Care Plan Will Be Ready to Go! Cha Oct 2019 #137

Ready to Go like Joe! Cha Nov 2019 #141

Elizabeth Warren's latest health plan is causing concerns for some centrist, moderate and rural Demo Gothmog Nov 2019 #139

Gracias for this report, Goth.. Cha Nov 2019 #140

The math for Warren's health-care plan adds up if you accept its ludicrous premise Gothmog Nov 2019 #142

Thanks, Goth.. I don't know Cha Nov 2019 #143

Ugh. betsuni Nov 2019 #145

Bernie, Bernie, Bernie. ismnotwasm Nov 2019 #153

Yeah. Cha Nov 2019 #160

What would be even crueller...is BootinUp Nov 2019 #154

If the system allows for millions to be uninsured or people to go bankrupt from medical bills... aikoaiko Nov 2019 #155

+1 melman Nov 2019 #157

+2 Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #161

That's not the point.. the Dems want to change it Cha Dec 2019 #168

Thank you Cole483rn13 Dec 2019 #164

BS is Wrong. Cha Dec 2019 #167

The needed response is that ALL DEMOCRATS HAVE WORKED FOR BETTER HEALTH COVERAGE AND ARE karynnj Dec 2019 #171

Kick Cha Dec 2019 #173

False dilemma fallacy, Senator Sanders. YOUR MFA is not the only humane or progressive path to UHC ehrnst Dec 2019 #175

Far from it.. why would BS act like Cha Dec 2019 #180

Branding. It's a very status quo political marketing strategy. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2019 #181

lol.. how status quoish of him.. Cha Dec 2019 #182

KICK! Cha Dec 2019 #183

Uh, every Democrat wants universal healthcare. betsuni Dec 2019 #184

But BS is the Cha Dec 2019 #189

These gripes need to be directed at FUCKING RUSSIAPUBLICANS, for fucks sake. nt UniteFightBack Dec 2019 #191

Exactly.. Kinda what Charles Gaba was saying.. No way Cha Dec 2019 #193

I don't think that is a wise strategy if he would like Democrats to vote for him. nt UniteFightBack Dec 2019 #194

And, someone called him a "untier" in this OP.. Cha Dec 2019 #195

Can someone please remind which voters Mr. Sanders is trying to court? IT AIN'T FUCKING DEMS UniteFightBack Dec 2019 #192

+1 betsuni Dec 2019 #196