I've kept quiet about an exchange during the debate that didn't ring true to me. [View all]

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The reason I stayed quiet is that it was between Biden and Warren, and I happen to have very positive feelings for both as evidenced throughout my lengthy history here. I just happen to be a Warren supporter for this primary race.

I have a fairly strong memory, a bit weakened as I get older, but, still usually correct.

I could not recall Biden being a factor in the creation of the CFPB.

I think Biden confused his very pro-active and effective vote-whipping for ACA with the CFPB, and that Warren was being polite in not directly correcting him.

I post this now because some have used the exchange to find fault with Warren for not thanking Biden there and then.

I am certain that Biden did not jump into that with malice or the intent to claim credit. I really believe he just conflated the two votes.

Few media outlets noticed. Some were unfairly and overthetop snarky towards Biden, though, so I won’t post them. I only want to keep the facts straight here.

This article lays it out fairly well.

Joe Biden’s Mysterious Claim That He Whipped Votes for the CFPB

https://prospect.org/politics/joe-biden-mysterious-claim-whipped-votes-cfpb/
https://theintercept.com/2019/10/16/joe-biden-elizabeth-warren-debate-cfpb/
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But the insistence that Biden had anything whatsoever to do with rallying support for the CFPB in the Senate left many other people closely involved scratching their heads.

“In all honesty, that was news to me last night,” said Jim Manley, who was communications director for Reid at the time. A senator closely involved in the fight, who didn’t want to speak on the record, said that he never heard from Biden. A former Senate staffer who worked on the bill told us, about Biden’s claim, “I needed a drink when I heard that.” They added that Biden and his staff were not involved in any Hill meetings on the subject or engaged in the legislative process in any fashion.

Rep. Brad Miller, D-N.C., was the CFPB statute’s lead author in the House. Asked what Biden did to win votes for the CFPB, Miller told The Intercept and the American Prospect: “Nothing.”

He elaborated on Twitter: “I had no contact with Biden and cannot recall every [sic] hearing his name mentioned by anyone,” he said.
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Pro-Warren folks, please don’t use this correction to bash Biden on this thread. I am 100% certain his comments were not based in deceit.