Democratic Primaries

betsuni

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142. Oh, melman.

Wed Oct 23, 2019, 05:17 AM

Oct 2019

Bernie's book is real and I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate any suggestion that it isn't, that the quotes from the book are fake because this or that news source quoted them. I'm sure he's proud of his book. Give him respect for his work.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Business Insider: Joe Biden suggested Bill Clinton's impeachment was a 'partisan lynching' in 1998 [View all] JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 OP

Oh.. you think you have a "Gotcha" on Cha Oct 2019 #1

Explain how it's different melman Oct 2019 #16

It's not... and even Joe knows it!! LOL, obviously why Joe felt InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #178

LOL, explain how it's different. SMC22307 Oct 2019 #60

Context, for one. TwilightZone Oct 2019 #65

C'mon, stop making excuses. Just admit it was a poor word choice on Biden's part. SMC22307 Oct 2019 #70

Nah, I prefer to deal in the real world. TwilightZone Oct 2019 #72

The defense of it, Biden fans twisting themselves into pretzels... SMC22307 Oct 2019 #76

And people still tell me there is no such thing as Biden Apologists, lol Baclava Oct 2019 #125

It sure is!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #210

And.... AncientGeezer Oct 2019 #221

Nadler said it...Meeks said it, Rangel said it, Davis said it...this is the flag you want to fly? AncientGeezer Oct 2019 #226

////////////////////THIS//////////////////////////// at140 Oct 2019 #105

It was poor word choice on Biden's part... that was easy!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #179

Told ya so! SMC22307 Oct 2019 #202

Hahaha!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #209

Joe Biden "suggested" lapucelle Oct 2019 #64

Mahalo, lapucelle.. trump's "lynching" was a "dog whistle" Cha Oct 2019 #73

False equivalence helped to put Trump in the White House. lapucelle Oct 2019 #83

Oh Gawd Yes.. "False Equivalency". Perfect description Cha Oct 2019 #89

No one is trying to give Fat Nixon cover. But if one old white guy... SMC22307 Oct 2019 #87

Apparently you can!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #227

Exactly. There's a big difference the way Biden used the term vs. the Racist-in-Chief. Hoyt Oct 2019 #112

Not seeing a difference Miguelito Loveless Oct 2019 #111

Look again.. it's a "False Equivalency" and if Cha Oct 2019 #116

Both are white men using "lynching" in a context where no one is any danger of Miguelito Loveless Oct 2019 #124

trump uses it as a "dog whistle".. Biden Cha Oct 2019 #129

Clinton wasn't lynched, politically, metaphorically, or otherwise Miguelito Loveless Oct 2019 #130

Very inappropriate of Joe... how's that not obvious?! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #213

Biden never said that the Clinton impeachment was a lynching,, lapucelle Oct 2019 #143

Wait.. what? Biden Cha Oct 2019 #145

It's a poor choice of words no matter who says it. Why can't we just agree that totodeinhere Oct 2019 #236

3 Black Congressmen said it, too.. how's your "false equivalency" on that? Cha Oct 2019 #138

Let's see, do people who have been victims of lynch mobs Miguelito Loveless Oct 2019 #177

Rep. Nadler called the actions against Pres. Clinton a lynch mob in '98 AncientGeezer Oct 2019 #174

If he said it, then yes. Miguelito Loveless Oct 2019 #176

He did..as did several others.....that isn't a difficult concept. AncientGeezer Oct 2019 #189

Really? I have singled out Biden? Miguelito Loveless Oct 2019 #198

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Oct 2019 #219

Whose post are you quoting? Miguelito Loveless Oct 2019 #229

Replied to the wrong post...my bad. AncientGeezer Oct 2019 #234

Understood Miguelito Loveless Oct 2019 #235

Excellent points... case closed!! Why Joe needed to apologize. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #185

How about Reps, Meeks, Davis, Rangel...also Nadler and McDermott? AncientGeezer Oct 2019 #187

"lynching" is a metaphor here treestar Oct 2019 #162

We are not discussing a comparison of the crimes Miguelito Loveless Oct 2019 #180

Thought that was pretty clear... apparently not. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #188

It's not "inappropriate" treestar Oct 2019 #193

I am not trying to "smear" anyone Miguelito Loveless Oct 2019 #197

It was wrong, because there is a hearing, due process treestar Oct 2019 #207

Seems to me just as inappropriate Miguelito Loveless Oct 2019 #230

Nadler said re Pres. Clinton it was a lynch mob...severeal times... AncientGeezer Oct 2019 #222

What's your point - to bash Biden or justify trump's comment this morning? George II Oct 2019 #2

I'm certain you feel the same way if Bernie or Tulsi said it. JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #5

they have made their own beds EveHammond13 Oct 2019 #10

Did that bed-making involve the use of the term "lynching"? (n/t) SMC22307 Oct 2019 #101

just as long as no one praised Assad. EveHammond13 Oct 2019 #123

We'll never know - neither did say it. George II Oct 2019 #11

Thanks for backing me on this! JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #17

So in answer to my earlier question, I guess.... George II Oct 2019 #21

I don't follow orders or answer questions, I care not to follow. Sorry! JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #27

You seem to forget that I answered your questions TWICE in this thread earlier tonight: George II Oct 2019 #40

Ok then. First answer my question: JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #42

I already did answer that one. George II Oct 2019 #47

Missed it. So, you are saying you would feel the same if Bernie or Tulsi said it. JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #49

So where can I find your answers, even in that earlier thread? George II Oct 2019 #52

Still waiting. George II Oct 2019 #79

Sorry. What was your question again? JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #82

As we used to say on newsnet, "RTFF" - but I'll help you out - see posts #40 and #2 in this thread. George II Oct 2019 #88

Are you saying you don't have a simple question? JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #94

Let's try again, the questions that you didn't answer (for some reason or another) are in: George II Oct 2019 #98

Still waiting. George II Oct 2019 #113

That's a creative way to rationalize holding others to a higher standard than yourself. LanternWaste Oct 2019 #157

A bunch of deflecting BS Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #30

+1000! JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #43

See. reply 29. 1998 was a very different time, the comparison was made more casually, highplainsdem Oct 2019 #81

Seriously? Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #194

Yeah I'm sure voters will know the supposed difference Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #217

One of many!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #181

This is such bullshit melman Oct 2019 #39

Cheap shots? George II Oct 2019 #54

Yeah melman Oct 2019 #58

"Dumb" refers to an inability to speak. George II Oct 2019 #59

I don't know if you've heard melman Oct 2019 #62

"Dumb" also refers to stupid and showing a lack of intelligence. SMC22307 Oct 2019 #66

So I guess melman is taking a "cheap shot" at me.... George II Oct 2019 #68

Just admit you are wrong. SMC22307 Oct 2019 #74

I will when I am. BTW, read the OP again, Biden "suggested". That's like "it has been reported...." George II Oct 2019 #78

Read the exact quote from Biden's mouth... SMC22307 Oct 2019 #97

I knew that outrage was going to backfire. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2019 #104

But hey, it was 1998... it's all good! SMC22307 Oct 2019 #110

Like Nadler, Meeks, Davis, Rangel, McDermott.... AncientGeezer Oct 2019 #173

He said the gif was dumb Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #220

How is it hard for you to understand? Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #192

Did I EVER say it was inappropriate for Biden to say it? George II Oct 2019 #196

So you don't think it was inappropriate? That's a whole new problem, then. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #203

Why all the questions that you essentially answer in posing the question. So tell me... George II Oct 2019 #204

"So you don't think it's inappropriate?" is NOWHERE near "Did you stop beating your wife?" Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #214

Pretty simple!! Joe has no excuse... which, presumably, is why he felt he had to apologize. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #211

Right? Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #215

Gotta give Joe credit for admitting he was wrong. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #223

Pretty simple!! Joe has no excuse... which, presumably, is why he felt he had to apologize. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #212

Actually, Business Insider said that Joe Biden suggested something lapucelle Oct 2019 #75

Yeah, Joe showed once again why he's not the best candidate to take on tRump. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #183

Really? And your candidate is the best one to take on Trump? Don't forget the N word that he used. Skya Rhen Oct 2019 #195

You didn't answer his question. Cha Oct 2019 #12

Sorry, but I grew up in a family of Nine children. JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #18

Geoge asked you questions.. he didn't "order" you. Cha Oct 2019 #19

George did not order me. And I still refuse... JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #22

lol.. your Big "Gotcha" Fizzled Poorly.. Cha Oct 2019 #31

What "gotcha"? I'm just posting the truth of what Joe said. JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #41

Hey Cha- he's used to his attacks fizzling. Happens a lot. redstateblues Oct 2019 #51

Hey Aloha, redstateblues! Cha Oct 2019 #55

Silly. You asked George a question. treestar Oct 2019 #165

I grew up in a family of six. I always obeyed my mother and father and respected them. George II Oct 2019 #50

I wouldn't. TwilightZone Oct 2019 #23

Please...Bernie actually said the "N" word - or have you conveniently forgotten? Skya Rhen Oct 2019 #44

Daily Caller? melman Oct 2019 #48

Mediaite isn't the Daily Caller. TwilightZone Oct 2019 #61

Who said it was? melman Oct 2019 #63

I'm not seeing an edit. TwilightZone Oct 2019 #67

I didn't melman Oct 2019 #77

Really? George II Oct 2019 #95

Yes melman Oct 2019 #147

Oh, melman. betsuni Oct 2019 #142

You know what I like about you bestuni? melman Oct 2019 #148

Authentic opinions are not "zingers." betsuni Oct 2019 #149

Oh melman Oct 2019 #151

No no no. I don't post opera. Ballet or classical music. betsuni Oct 2019 #152

Oh wait, I am wrong. I have posted opera! betsuni Oct 2019 #159

Skya, be prepared for "the Circle Game". George II Oct 2019 #92

lol Cha Oct 2019 #132

Fail. Writers often use quotes around words they want to distance themselves from. SMC22307 Oct 2019 #107

Being able to see that difference treestar Oct 2019 #166

That I actually agree with. I still think "lynching" was a poor word choice on his part... SMC22307 Oct 2019 #200

I agree. The essence of the definition of "lynching" is treestar Oct 2019 #205

Excellent point. (n/t) SMC22307 Oct 2019 #206

Is the OP going to ask Sanders to Apologize for THIS?!! Cha Oct 2019 #131

I'd respond to rather than answer the question also. LanternWaste Oct 2019 #156

They didn't treestar Oct 2019 #164

Good questions, George. Seems to think Cha Oct 2019 #7

Don't forget we are in a primary. You can't expect everyone else, to go in the same direction. JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #20

Wrong, we should ALL go in the same direction, but just use different roads to get there. George II Oct 2019 #28

I like that way of putting it SterlingPound Oct 2019 #35

Well said George!!! still_one Oct 2019 #186

I think his point is that both are wrong Miguelito Loveless Oct 2019 #126

Morals and ethics are more complicated than that tirebiter Oct 2019 #140

I know that people only seem to be forgiving of that which they would not forgive Miguelito Loveless Oct 2019 #182

That's always been my impression as well. Rollo Oct 2019 #3

I think Bill probably counted on Congress acting as gentlemen... Rollo Oct 2019 #6

A partisan lynching is different than a lynching. apcalc Oct 2019 #4

I refuse to punish our candidates for trump's wrongdoing EveHammond13 Oct 2019 #8

dupe redstateblues Oct 2019 #9

oh, ffs! Anyway, another democratic congressman who allegedly used the same term ecstatic Oct 2019 #13

Context is important. TwilightZone Oct 2019 #14

Of course it's different and anyone can see that Cha Oct 2019 #25

See reply 29. Very different time in 1998, with that word used even by black Congressmen to describe highplainsdem Oct 2019 #37

Your Biden bashing on this site only makes Biden supporters dig in. It doesn't help Bernie redstateblues Oct 2019 #15

Yup Green Line Oct 2019 #24

More than 20 years ago, Biden said ... left-of-center2012 Oct 2019 #26

Very selective editing, Joe. That article also refers to Jerry Nadler using that word at the time, highplainsdem Oct 2019 #29

Joe Biden isn't a white supremacist or supported by such, trump is both. The OP is a vague... George II Oct 2019 #33

Sorry I did not edit to your satisfaction. JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #38

Are you going to demand that the black Congressmen who made the same comparison in 1998 highplainsdem Oct 2019 #45

I see you didn't get an answer. But then again, some refuse to answer questions: George II Oct 2019 #117

Intentionally ignoring context and making false equivalences... TwilightZone Oct 2019 #46

Are you going to ask the 3 Black Congressman who said it to apologize,too? Cha Oct 2019 #134

1998 was a different time? SMC22307 Oct 2019 #114

Spin spin spin.... got anything else?? Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #32

This seems fitting... TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #102

A partisan lynching for the cover up of a blow job LakeArenal Oct 2019 #34

Precisely! Mahalo, LakeArenal! Cha Oct 2019 #57

Well your opinion of me is worth more than the whole topic!! LakeArenal Oct 2019 #172

Mahalo, LA.. and you're absolutely right about what's going Cha Oct 2019 #224

According to some in this thread, they're exactly the same thing. TwilightZone Oct 2019 #71

That makes it worse. Diminishing the word to describe... SMC22307 Oct 2019 #118

Once again. They were after Bill for covering up the bj LakeArenal Oct 2019 #171

Nothing in my post suggests otherwise. SMC22307 Oct 2019 #201

For some people the world is black and white and they refuse to see the gray. Eko Oct 2019 #36

It was a mistake that... zaj Oct 2019 #53

+1000! JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #56

See reply 29. The lynching comparison was made by black Democratic congressmen in 1998, too, highplainsdem Oct 2019 #80

Clarence Thomas called his hearing a high-tech lynching. betsuni Oct 2019 #85

Great point! highplainsdem Oct 2019 #100

Well said, highplainsdem! It's a false Cha Oct 2019 #135

Are you asking the 3 Black Dem Congressmen to "Apologize", too, zaj? Cha Oct 2019 #136

I'm saying that great leadership... zaj Oct 2019 #169

Well said! loyalsister Oct 2019 #146

this was 21 years ago pnwpolicy Oct 2019 #69

You do not have to use desperate, inaccurate attacks on Biden to support your preferred candidate. emmaverybo Oct 2019 #86

Maybe that's part of the reason why Joe has lost his mo'... but, there's more to it than that. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #184

I'm sick of the bothsiderism. Biden was wrong then too. However we don't need to spend time tulipsandroses Oct 2019 #84

Thanks for your many good, and very well and completely expressed, points. JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #90

Agreed TheRealNorth Oct 2019 #99

"Twisting in the wind," eh? SMC22307 Oct 2019 #120

I am really gettig sick of THIS sh't being posted by so-called Democrats! democratisphere Oct 2019 #91

I'm a Dem since voting for Mondale. I'm sure you are too! JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #109

Why? People need to be keep informed on legit news, mud-slinging, SMC22307 Oct 2019 #121

Yeah. It's kinda like promoting Medicare for all with no way to pay for it democratisphere Oct 2019 #137

It's not like that at all, except in your head. (n/t) SMC22307 Oct 2019 #199

Oh. I forgot that money grows on trees and when you are running democratisphere Oct 2019 #231

EXACTLY!! Cha Oct 2019 #133

Squirrel!!!! Freethinker65 Oct 2019 #93

Uh? JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #96

It is a Bush reference. Like easily distracted by shit. nt. essme Oct 2019 #103

Must have missed that one. JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #106

White rabbit! BootinUp Oct 2019 #115

distract and divide..... yup, it's working IcyPeas Oct 2019 #108

The echoes of Clarence Thomas's claims of a "high tech lynching" because he had to go through pnwmom Oct 2019 #119

Makes sense tirebiter Oct 2019 #122

That's something I hadn't considered!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #191

Personally, I wont use the word. Actually, you never know who it may offend... VarryOn Oct 2019 #127

Talk about posting some stupid irrelevant shit to argue about calguy Oct 2019 #128

And? BannonsLiver Oct 2019 #139

That is disqualifying. betsuni Oct 2019 #141

1. Biden apologized OKNancy Oct 2019 #144

Biden apologized peggysue2 Oct 2019 #225

Another day another Biden bashing thread. Got anything else? Joe941 Oct 2019 #150

Live long enough and you will make mistakes. Raven123 Oct 2019 #153

I didn't care when Trump said it Loki Liesmith Oct 2019 #154

Context and actual words used seem to confuse a lot of very foolish people. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #155

oh dear... myohmy2 Oct 2019 #158

Looks like the OP did not work. Kingofalldems Oct 2019 #160

+1000 Peacetrain Oct 2019 #218

Of course he did. aikoaiko Oct 2019 #161

Well it was just a blow job treestar Oct 2019 #163

It amazes me that people here are trying to equate Joe Biden to donald trump... George II Oct 2019 #167

Yes. Why? betsuni Oct 2019 #168

Who cares Who cares Who cares Who cares kacekwl Oct 2019 #170

Lots of people care. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #190

It was wrong when trump said it kacekwl Oct 2019 #216

As did others......Reps. Meeks, Davis, McDermott, Rangel...... AncientGeezer Oct 2019 #175

No one curr... As some young people say. NewDayOranges Oct 2019 #208

Donald Trump is a racist pig ! stonecutter357 Oct 2019 #228

He just apologized BeyondGeography Oct 2019 #232

Good. JoeOtterbein Oct 2019 #233