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TidalWave46

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34. Yep. NT

Reply to George II (Reply #30)

Thu Oct 24, 2019, 12:21 PM

Oct 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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The average cost of 4-year college in the United States: $23,091 [View all] Uncle Joe Oct 2019 OP

Well, yes and no.. pangaia Oct 2019 #1

Really? CurtEastPoint Oct 2019 #2

REALLY ! pangaia Oct 2019 #4

It's "tuition-free", but in reality there are some administrative fees. Plus, the state subsidizes. DetlefK Oct 2019 #10

"Tuition free," yes, BUT the money comes from somewhere... pangaia Oct 2019 #48

No, you needn't go on. Please... CurtEastPoint Oct 2019 #13

What do you mean by , 'go on." pangaia Oct 2019 #45

You asked the question. See below: CurtEastPoint Oct 2019 #55

Who is arguing it's absolutely free in those countries? LanternWaste Oct 2019 #20

And where does the money come from to pay the expenses when there is no 'tuition" pangaia Oct 2019 #44

The rich would pay most. Joe941 Oct 2019 #79

I can certainly support that.. pangaia Oct 2019 #81

It isn't free. It is paid for by society. whopis01 Oct 2019 #39

"Which is a good thing" Hav Oct 2019 #41

Yes. I agree. It is a good thing. pangaia Oct 2019 #52

Question: Who said 'society' was some imaginary being up in the air? whopis01 Oct 2019 #64

Do you really think I don't understand that? really? Of course I do,,, pangaia Oct 2019 #66

You wrote the bit about society isn't some " imaginary being in the air". I was responding to that whopis01 Oct 2019 #67

I think we agree on just about all... pangaia Oct 2019 #69

Personal income tax rate for 27,000 to 73,000 Euros is 30%, it's about 12% in the US. George II Oct 2019 #3

BINGO! pangaia Oct 2019 #5

It is time for the Billionaire class to pay their fair share of taxes ritapria Oct 2019 #7

Millionaire and billionaire. NT TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #15

Shhh, for some reason we don't talk about millionaires anymore. George II Oct 2019 #17

inflation is the reason bluewater Oct 2019 #25

As recently as two or three years ago it was the "millionaire and billionaire class". George II Oct 2019 #32

That was outdated rhetoric bluewater Oct 2019 #36

An exact quote from a few years ago: George II Oct 2019 #71

Sure, I believe there are quotes, but it was outdated rhetoric... bluewater Oct 2019 #72

+1 CountAllVotes Oct 2019 #54

This. Joe941 Oct 2019 #80

That's a bit simplistic. progressoid Oct 2019 #16

In the US, we pay for "social" directly too dawg day Oct 2019 #40

Yep. n/t progressoid Oct 2019 #47

Oh, we have it so good in the US with that low tax rate! kcr Oct 2019 #51

In Germany, university is a few hundred bucks tops per semester. Including buying books. DetlefK Oct 2019 #6

Income tax rate in Germany for 55,000 Euros is 42%. George II Oct 2019 #11

Sounds about right. Why? How much is it in the US? DetlefK Oct 2019 #19

22% inwiththenew Oct 2019 #33

Perhaps lower depending upon deductions. I paid an effective rate of 12% last year on more than $60K George II Oct 2019 #43

and those are most likely state endowed colleges and university, do not include room and board, and still_one Oct 2019 #8

Does the figure include room, board, expenses? The Mouth Oct 2019 #9

I lived at home while I attended college. George II Oct 2019 #12

Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #22

Did you enjoy posting that? George II Oct 2019 #24

About as much as I enjoy worthless anecdotes. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #26

You obviously didn't read the post to which I responded. George II Oct 2019 #27

You mean the post where it was suggested we shouldn't subsidize "personal choices" Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #31

The post that twice referenced living at home while attending college.... George II Oct 2019 #53

Actually, Not "worthless" at all. Don't understand Cha Oct 2019 #60

The keyword was "anecdote" Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #65

That I lived at home with my parents while in college isn't "unreliable or hearsay".... George II Oct 2019 #83

It may be true but even if it is, it makes no difference in the grand scheme of things, Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #84

To be honest, I don't even know why that is relevant to this discussion. Can you explain? Thanks. George II Oct 2019 #85

Many don't have that option exboyfil Oct 2019 #77

Very dishonest words from Sanders. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #14

Which parts were dishonest? progressoid Oct 2019 #21

The French government subsidizes both students and the university. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #29

And the subsidies are paid for with taxes collected from everyone. George II Oct 2019 #30

Yep. NT TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #34

Kind of like pre-college education in the US Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #58

WHAT??? The government pays for it??? progressoid Oct 2019 #38

Sanders knowing makes his statement that much worse. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #42

Deceptive? progressoid Oct 2019 #46

There's a pattern emerging of people making sweeping statements while presenting no evidence. bluewater Oct 2019 #56

It's no more dishonest than my saying it costs $3.40/gal for premium gas round here ... mr_lebowski Oct 2019 #50

Right? redqueen Oct 2019 #68

No, the people of France pay for it, the government is merely the collection agency... George II Oct 2019 #61

Whoa! My mind is blown!! progressoid Oct 2019 #63

It almosts sounds like someone is doing the "taxation is theft" argument... doesn't it? bluewater Oct 2019 #73

Yep. n/t progressoid Oct 2019 #76

Econ 101: There is no free lunch. The questions should be: WHO should pay the costs of spooky3 Oct 2019 #18

From each according to his ability. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #23

THANK YOU !! This is so freakin' obvious.... : pangaia Oct 2019 #49

Because no one is doing anything to rein in ballooning administrative costs. redqueen Oct 2019 #28

It isn't "administrative costs" Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #35

Agreed about the commodification, redqueen Oct 2019 #37

+1000 bluewater Oct 2019 #57

The rot set in when universities began to chase ratings nitpicker Oct 2019 #59

A year or two ago it was revealed that nineteen of the top twenty highest paid employees.... George II Oct 2019 #62

Was the highest paid the football coach? bluewater Oct 2019 #74

$23K?? Where did the Berniecamp get the stat from? onetexan Oct 2019 #70

$23,091 per year at a 4 year college. progressoid Oct 2019 #75

Gotcha, thanks. Post should have added per year. I believe average student debt at a public onetexan Oct 2019 #82

Bernie is using rose-colored math. Blue_true Oct 2019 #78