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exboyfil

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77. Many don't have that option

Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:15 PM

Oct 2019

For example in my state we have two public universities that offer engineering degrees. Neither are within commute distance from my home (and the majority of the state).

In addition the courses are not offered either online or at the local community colleges that would allow completion of the degree in two years at the university. Three years is the minimum. My daughter did it in two, but those classes are no longer offered online (which I think is a tragedy).

My younger daughter was able to stay at home and go to a private nursing college affiliated with the local hospital. The tuition spread would have made cost about equivalent at the state university where you had to pay room and the extra board associated with not eating at home.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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The average cost of 4-year college in the United States: $23,091 [View all] Uncle Joe Oct 2019 OP

Well, yes and no.. pangaia Oct 2019 #1

Really? CurtEastPoint Oct 2019 #2

REALLY ! pangaia Oct 2019 #4

It's "tuition-free", but in reality there are some administrative fees. Plus, the state subsidizes. DetlefK Oct 2019 #10

"Tuition free," yes, BUT the money comes from somewhere... pangaia Oct 2019 #48

No, you needn't go on. Please... CurtEastPoint Oct 2019 #13

What do you mean by , 'go on." pangaia Oct 2019 #45

You asked the question. See below: CurtEastPoint Oct 2019 #55

Who is arguing it's absolutely free in those countries? LanternWaste Oct 2019 #20

And where does the money come from to pay the expenses when there is no 'tuition" pangaia Oct 2019 #44

The rich would pay most. Joe941 Oct 2019 #79

I can certainly support that.. pangaia Oct 2019 #81

It isn't free. It is paid for by society. whopis01 Oct 2019 #39

"Which is a good thing" Hav Oct 2019 #41

Yes. I agree. It is a good thing. pangaia Oct 2019 #52

Question: Who said 'society' was some imaginary being up in the air? whopis01 Oct 2019 #64

Do you really think I don't understand that? really? Of course I do,,, pangaia Oct 2019 #66

You wrote the bit about society isn't some " imaginary being in the air". I was responding to that whopis01 Oct 2019 #67

I think we agree on just about all... pangaia Oct 2019 #69

Personal income tax rate for 27,000 to 73,000 Euros is 30%, it's about 12% in the US. George II Oct 2019 #3

BINGO! pangaia Oct 2019 #5

It is time for the Billionaire class to pay their fair share of taxes ritapria Oct 2019 #7

Millionaire and billionaire. NT TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #15

Shhh, for some reason we don't talk about millionaires anymore. George II Oct 2019 #17

inflation is the reason bluewater Oct 2019 #25

As recently as two or three years ago it was the "millionaire and billionaire class". George II Oct 2019 #32

That was outdated rhetoric bluewater Oct 2019 #36

An exact quote from a few years ago: George II Oct 2019 #71

Sure, I believe there are quotes, but it was outdated rhetoric... bluewater Oct 2019 #72

+1 CountAllVotes Oct 2019 #54

This. Joe941 Oct 2019 #80

That's a bit simplistic. progressoid Oct 2019 #16

In the US, we pay for "social" directly too dawg day Oct 2019 #40

Yep. n/t progressoid Oct 2019 #47

Oh, we have it so good in the US with that low tax rate! kcr Oct 2019 #51

In Germany, university is a few hundred bucks tops per semester. Including buying books. DetlefK Oct 2019 #6

Income tax rate in Germany for 55,000 Euros is 42%. George II Oct 2019 #11

Sounds about right. Why? How much is it in the US? DetlefK Oct 2019 #19

22% inwiththenew Oct 2019 #33

Perhaps lower depending upon deductions. I paid an effective rate of 12% last year on more than $60K George II Oct 2019 #43

and those are most likely state endowed colleges and university, do not include room and board, and still_one Oct 2019 #8

Does the figure include room, board, expenses? The Mouth Oct 2019 #9

I lived at home while I attended college. George II Oct 2019 #12

Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #22

Did you enjoy posting that? George II Oct 2019 #24

About as much as I enjoy worthless anecdotes. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #26

You obviously didn't read the post to which I responded. George II Oct 2019 #27

You mean the post where it was suggested we shouldn't subsidize "personal choices" Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #31

The post that twice referenced living at home while attending college.... George II Oct 2019 #53

Actually, Not "worthless" at all. Don't understand Cha Oct 2019 #60

The keyword was "anecdote" Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #65

That I lived at home with my parents while in college isn't "unreliable or hearsay".... George II Oct 2019 #83

It may be true but even if it is, it makes no difference in the grand scheme of things, Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #84

To be honest, I don't even know why that is relevant to this discussion. Can you explain? Thanks. George II Oct 2019 #85

Many don't have that option exboyfil Oct 2019 #77

Very dishonest words from Sanders. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #14

Which parts were dishonest? progressoid Oct 2019 #21

The French government subsidizes both students and the university. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #29

And the subsidies are paid for with taxes collected from everyone. George II Oct 2019 #30

Yep. NT TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #34

Kind of like pre-college education in the US Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #58

WHAT??? The government pays for it??? progressoid Oct 2019 #38

Sanders knowing makes his statement that much worse. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #42

Deceptive? progressoid Oct 2019 #46

There's a pattern emerging of people making sweeping statements while presenting no evidence. bluewater Oct 2019 #56

It's no more dishonest than my saying it costs $3.40/gal for premium gas round here ... mr_lebowski Oct 2019 #50

Right? redqueen Oct 2019 #68

No, the people of France pay for it, the government is merely the collection agency... George II Oct 2019 #61

Whoa! My mind is blown!! progressoid Oct 2019 #63

It almosts sounds like someone is doing the "taxation is theft" argument... doesn't it? bluewater Oct 2019 #73

Yep. n/t progressoid Oct 2019 #76

Econ 101: There is no free lunch. The questions should be: WHO should pay the costs of spooky3 Oct 2019 #18

From each according to his ability. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #23

THANK YOU !! This is so freakin' obvious.... : pangaia Oct 2019 #49

Because no one is doing anything to rein in ballooning administrative costs. redqueen Oct 2019 #28

It isn't "administrative costs" Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #35

Agreed about the commodification, redqueen Oct 2019 #37

+1000 bluewater Oct 2019 #57

The rot set in when universities began to chase ratings nitpicker Oct 2019 #59

A year or two ago it was revealed that nineteen of the top twenty highest paid employees.... George II Oct 2019 #62

Was the highest paid the football coach? bluewater Oct 2019 #74

$23K?? Where did the Berniecamp get the stat from? onetexan Oct 2019 #70

$23,091 per year at a 4 year college. progressoid Oct 2019 #75

Gotcha, thanks. Post should have added per year. I believe average student debt at a public onetexan Oct 2019 #82

Bernie is using rose-colored math. Blue_true Oct 2019 #78