Democratic Primaries

kurtcagle

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64. Framing

Fri Oct 25, 2019, 05:17 PM

Oct 2019

I find it intriguing how the message is framed. There is no mention about what percentage feel the country has moved too far to the right. Moreover, if reframed, it says that 21 percent of Republicans believe that the country has not moved too far to the left, that the overwhelming majority (83%) of Democrats believe that it has moved too far to the right, and that 52% of all independents do not believe that it has gone too far to the left.

Link to the latest poll
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3645

Think I find interesting is that 43% of the population believes we've moved too far to the right, only marginally less than the 47% who feel it's gone too far to the left. This isn't that surprising - the Democratic party overall is still fairly pluralistic.

Looking at the overall poll though, you can tell that the Hill definitely cherry picked its statistics - dig into the details and it looks pretty bad for the Republicans at this stage all across the board.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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NEW POLL: Nearly half of Americans think Democrats have moved too far to the left [View all] Gothmog Oct 2019 OP

Ok. Now how many think the Republican Party has moved too far to the right? ZZenith Oct 2019 #1

+1 TruckFump Oct 2019 #3

Not in the Democratic Primaries forum of DU. pintobean Oct 2019 #6

Does that really matter? DownriverDem Oct 2019 #26

Yes it does matter. ZZenith Oct 2019 #30

make this an op DonCoquixote Oct 2019 #62

too far Right? How about out and out fascist. Thomas Hurt Oct 2019 #29

Answered my own question. ZZenith Oct 2019 #33

"Codswallop"? Isn't this the same poll that showed Warren jumping out to a +7 point lead? Tarheel_Dem Oct 2019 #104

From the same poll: Sloumeau Oct 2019 #58

That was my first thought...and wondering why that question never gets asked! nt List left Oct 2019 #67

We haven't moved far enough left. Groundhawg Oct 2019 #92

Thank you! DemocracyMouse Oct 2019 #103

That "poll" is from "The Hill" - see... Duppers Oct 2019 #107

a sounding of the echo chamber. nothing more. mopinko Oct 2019 #2

Easily dismissed, Skidmore Oct 2019 #42

operative words...."however, most of those voters identified as Republicans." paleotn Oct 2019 #59

Those statistics tell the real story. HerbChestnut Oct 2019 #4

That doesn't surprise me at all. NurseJackie Oct 2019 #5

According to the data... HerbChestnut Oct 2019 #8

It sure does sound like that melman Oct 2019 #14

Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #31

Thanks. HerbChestnut Oct 2019 #37

... NurseJackie Oct 2019 #75

..... George II Oct 2019 #96

Not at all. She fits in more with the 17% of the Democrats who share that sentiment.... George II Oct 2019 #93

She she fits in with a larger percentage of Republicans than Democrats. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #112

Most Democrats don't agree it's gone too far left. Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #11

I would argue that the center has moved far to the right. Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #15

By definition, the center is always in the center. If it was 'too far to the right" ... NurseJackie Oct 2019 #40

No melman Oct 2019 #46

... NurseJackie Oct 2019 #50

If the center is always the center, then how would you say is the center defined? Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #55

I do not know how to help you. Either you get it or you don't. NurseJackie Oct 2019 #72

Sorry for the insults. I honestly am trying to understand your point of view Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #86

You have not insulted me. Others have. NurseJackie Oct 2019 #88

The entire political landscape in the US is way to the right redqueen Oct 2019 #48

if the entire main continuum is dragged to the right, then the 'centre' of that continuum is also Celerity Oct 2019 #70

From where I'm sitting it still looks like the center to me. NurseJackie Oct 2019 #71

what? Celerity Oct 2019 #74

You wouldn't. NurseJackie Oct 2019 #76

thank you Celerity Oct 2019 #77

I forgot to continue with my analogy Celerity Oct 2019 #82

I'm just a loyal Democrat who lives in a "trailer"... NurseJackie Oct 2019 #83

well, that is just flat out bigotry based off perceived class, fuck those people nt Celerity Oct 2019 #85

sounds like nearly 1/2 of all americans don't know what direction "left" is. rampartc Oct 2019 #7

Another way to look at it is that over half of Americans agree... HerbChestnut Oct 2019 #12

is it possible to disagree with the direction of the party rampartc Oct 2019 #18

If you're someone who doesn't view politics as a left-right paradigm, yes! HerbChestnut Oct 2019 #38

Not according to the data. TwilightZone Oct 2019 #39

You're right, I didn't see the more detailed breakdown. HerbChestnut Oct 2019 #44

Exactly. No Democrat should think we've moved too far to the left. KPN Oct 2019 #52

And about 90% of Republicans support Trump. griffi94 Oct 2019 #9

We have a 2 party systen in this county ritapria Oct 2019 #10

They haven't polled me! Dyedinthewoolliberal Oct 2019 #13

That's the truth. Magoo48 Oct 2019 #57

"nearly half" melman Oct 2019 #16

The party moved leftward? pecosbob Oct 2019 #17

According to this poll, Republicans. griffi94 Oct 2019 #19

Must have missed the email... pecosbob Oct 2019 #20

Republicans are the last people anyone should take advice from. Efilroft Sul Oct 2019 #21

I find Republicans less than trustworthy as sources. griffi94 Oct 2019 #23

They're all about wanting another civil war. Efilroft Sul Oct 2019 #65

+1 TheRealNorth Oct 2019 #66

Suuurrrre... obvious where that's coming from!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #22

Support for a public option has been increasing, and for Medicare-for-All has been decreasing Gothmog Oct 2019 #24

Hard data. Non-DU types that I know don't trust left Dems on healthcare. empedocles Oct 2019 #68

This will be an easy issue for the GOP/trump to use Gothmog Oct 2019 #69

I do not support "Medicare for All". NurseJackie Oct 2019 #73

Choices for Financing Medicare for All: A Preliminary Analysis Gothmog Oct 2019 #115

OR pnwpolicy Oct 2019 #25

That's what the headline should have been, redqueen Oct 2019 #45

Would that "nearly half" of Americans be the Republicans and their alt-right Nazi buddies? bluewater Oct 2019 #27

LOL I love the difference btw the headline and the data. redqueen Oct 2019 #28

The data backs the headline. TwilightZone Oct 2019 #36

Yes, it's a very eye catching headline to be sure. redqueen Oct 2019 #41

well to be honest.. I think both parties are moving to far to their edges Peacetrain Oct 2019 #32

That is what I hear all the time from friends in Illinois, Indiana and Nebraska. redstatebluegirl Oct 2019 #34

Interesting, there seems to be no limit to how far to the right anything can go. tenderfoot Oct 2019 #35

Right? redqueen Oct 2019 #43

Yup that tends to get me Jspur Oct 2019 #47

Thx for posting Gothmog!! Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #49

I like numbers Gothmog Oct 2019 #91

The primaries will fix most of that. Of course toxic media Hortensis Oct 2019 #51

"Oh the motherfucking cranberries! thewhollytoast Oct 2019 #53

"however, most of those voters identified as Republicans." Well there you go Autumn Oct 2019 #54

+1 BeyondGeography Oct 2019 #56

Seriously.... paleotn Oct 2019 #60

Exactly. They are also the same fucking people who claim Obama was born in Kenya. Autumn Oct 2019 #63

Exactly. This is a total BS story Maven Oct 2019 #80

So, more than half of Americans don't think that. dchill Oct 2019 #61

Framing kurtcagle Oct 2019 #64

I agree most of our candidates are to far left doc03 Oct 2019 #78

I agree, I have a couple of them I would have to hold my nose but I would vote for them. redstatebluegirl Oct 2019 #126

It seems everyone is caught up with the popular doc03 Oct 2019 #128

"however, most of those voters identified as Republicans" Maven Oct 2019 #79

The Hill is a questionable source. It has known rightwing writers. Blue_true Oct 2019 #81

This isn't a bad thing. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #84

Who gives a fuck what Republicans think? Fiendish Thingy Oct 2019 #87

Republicans go to extreme right in an effort to Firestorm49 Oct 2019 #89

There are more moderates and slightly liberals in the party compared to extreme liberals Gothmog Oct 2019 #90

"...however, most of those voters identified as Republicans." myohmy2 Oct 2019 #94

Left and right are fluid constructs. I'm from the UK, and I can tell you, the Democratic Party is Doodley Oct 2019 #95

Thank you! (I am West London raised) and this is even more the case Celerity Oct 2019 #118

Yes. The nearly half who vote Republican. kcr Oct 2019 #97

Or to put it another way tiredtoo Oct 2019 #98

I personally don't care about the direction. It's the promise of stuff that's not even needed-- emmaverybo Oct 2019 #99

"however, most of those voters identified as Republicans" Tarc Oct 2019 #100

So simple.. just pick Biden and the rest will work itself out! Most important at this moment in Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #101

I'm afraid that folks don't vote with their head. nt UniteFightBack Oct 2019 #106

Who gives a flying f what Republicans think? TheFarseer Oct 2019 #102

"most of those voters identified as Republicans." RandiFan1290 Oct 2019 #105

Polls like this are just attempts at manipulation Mosby Oct 2019 #108

And yet about 60% of voters are for things like medicare for all, free college etc. nt Quixote1818 Oct 2019 #109

This left/right stuff is just "news crack" gulliver Oct 2019 #110

Exactly. Nt Mosby Oct 2019 #113

That means a majority don't think Democrats have moved too far left. iwannaknow Oct 2019 #111

Nate-A lot of D voters are moderate, or "somewhat liberal" rather than "very liberal" Gothmog Oct 2019 #114

Your posts on this forum frequently focus on the opinions of black voters. BlueWI Oct 2019 #116

On what is this assertion based? Gothmog Oct 2019 #117

It's based on the data reported in the OP. BlueWI Oct 2019 #119

The polling in the real world do not back up this assertion Gothmog Oct 2019 #120

I literally cut and pasted the survey results from your own OP. BlueWI Oct 2019 #123

Your post is NOT supported by the polling Gothmog Oct 2019 #124

Capital letters are not a counter argument. BlueWI Nov 2019 #130

Florida Democrats want a moderate. Gothmog Oct 2019 #121

Who thinks the GOP is full of corrupt fascists? book_worm Oct 2019 #122

Do YOU think Democrats have moved too far to the left? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #125

More massaged language polling propaganda... Bartollo Oct 2019 #127

Vulnerable House Democrats Wary of Campaigning for Medicare for All in 2020 Race Gothmog Oct 2019 #129

Democrats Aren't Moving Left. iamthebandfanman Nov 2019 #131

Michigan Democrats show less enthusiasm for progressive policies Gothmog Nov 2019 #132

Dangerous in the GE n/t PhoenixDem Nov 2019 #133

Is there a breakdown on "too far" left economically versus socially? andym Nov 2019 #134