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52. I posit that IF a MFA proponent gets elected in 2020, then their presidency is already set up for

Sun Oct 27, 2019, 10:43 AM

Oct 2019

perceived failure (at least partially) as one of their main programmes is going to be DOA. The blowback on our Party as a whole could be ruinous, especially if they (the MFA POTUS) turns on the Democratic members of Congress (especially if we have a majority in both chambers) and calls them out, paints them as obstructionists. Combine that with a possible (if Rump somehow draws an inside straight and it is delayed until 2021) big recession starting when they enter office, and it is easy to see all sorts of electoral trouble ahead in 2022 and 2024.

I am fairly sure that MFA proponents will say IF we have majorities in both the Senate and the House, and MFA still fails, that we will then replace the opponents with far left progressives in 2022 and 2024. It doesn't work like that, not the way the electoral House districting map is skewed to the right, and not in many states (for Senators) either. Zero chance a far left Senator can win in Arizona, Alabama, Montana, Ohio, North Carolina, Georgia, Alaska, Tennessee, Texas, Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana, Missouri, etc etc.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Joe Biden's health plan looks like the winner [View all] Gothmog Oct 2019 OP

K&R Scurrilous Oct 2019 #1

Agree. We have candidates stuck on "Medicare whether you want it or not." Hoyt Oct 2019 #2

medicare for all who want it, maybe medicare for all later nt msongs Oct 2019 #3

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2019 #4

If you can afford False Equivalencies, you can afford smaller health costs LanternWaste Oct 2019 #5

Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #16

Or Russia's health care bills Cirque du So-What Oct 2019 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author redstatebluegirl Oct 2019 #7

Perhaps you could enlighten those of us at DU what you consider asiliveandbreathe Oct 2019 #10

If nothing else, it's comprehensive, detailed, and says how to pay for it. George II Oct 2019 #8

Is there any polling not funded by Kaiser? redqueen Oct 2019 #9

100% SterlingPound Oct 2019 #101

Public Option ritapria Oct 2019 #11

Exactly. "Medicare if you want it" is doomed to failure LiberalLovinLug Oct 2019 #14

while the young basically healthy peops pay into the private system questionseverything Oct 2019 #28

one small problem, MFA will never get passed in Congress, even if we have 53+ seats in the Senate Celerity Oct 2019 #40

No one is under the illusion that M4A would be passed in the next 4-8 years. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #84

you need to look up the definition of strawman, because I am not using one Celerity Oct 2019 #85

Being "pro-M4A" doesn't mean you think it's an immediate possibility. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #87

show me where a major candidate who supports MFA says that they know it will not pass Celerity Oct 2019 #88

TL;DR Act_of_Reparation Oct 2019 #89

non sequiturs abound there, but I am not surprised Celerity Oct 2019 #90

+1000 InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #103

Isn't it Joe's plan to strengthen the ACA? That's been an effective and popular program until the abqtommy Oct 2019 #12

I will protect and build on Obamacare Gothmog Oct 2019 #13

Building on the ACA is the most sensible way to get to coverage for all Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #15

nope... myohmy2 Oct 2019 #17

Warren Left $30 Trillion Short of Paying for Her Health Plan Gothmog Oct 2019 #19

Bernie says... myohmy2 Oct 2019 #46

The NYT has a good article on how sanders failed to get a plan adopted in Vermont Gothmog Oct 2019 #57

What was Sanders' position in Vermont at the time? dpibel Oct 2019 #78

30 trillion is less than the current system. Buzz cook Oct 2019 #79

MFA will never pass in Congress Celerity Oct 2019 #41

such negative vibes... myohmy2 Oct 2019 #47

I am living atm in a country (Sweden) that has HC similar to MFA, and grew up with the NHS in the UK Celerity Oct 2019 #49

This is what I do not understand Lulu KC Oct 2019 #50

I posit that IF a MFA proponent gets elected in 2020, then their presidency is already set up for Celerity Oct 2019 #52

I thought the compromise we had to take for ACA was just "step 1" Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #66

The money is not there dansolo Oct 2019 #82

I agree SterlingPound Oct 2019 #102

#JoeKnows oasis Oct 2019 #18

I like all plans by Democrats Piiolo Oct 2019 #20

"Voters seem to be siding with Biden Cha Oct 2019 #21

Support for a public option has been increasing, and for Medicare-for-All has been decreasing Gothmog Oct 2019 #22

Why Elizabeth Warren won't talk about the cost of 'Medicare for All' Gothmog Oct 2019 #23

Stake my life dpibel Oct 2019 #31

IKR? The cost of MFA or *any* plan is not ON TOP OF current costs. Beartracks Oct 2019 #55

Why don't you link to your cut and pastes? You're supposed to. I do. AncientGeezer Oct 2019 #60

Gosh. dpibel Oct 2019 #62

What I'd like you to show....is that AncientGeezer Oct 2019 #64

KICKING! Cha Oct 2019 #24

NYT-This Is the Strongest Argument Against Medicare for All Gothmog Oct 2019 #25

Really? "NYT"? dpibel Oct 2019 #29

How is an op-ed in the New York Times not the New York Times? lapucelle Oct 2019 #32

Really? dpibel Oct 2019 #33

How is an op-ed in the New York Times not the New York Times? lapucelle Oct 2019 #34

By that logic dpibel Oct 2019 #35

How is an op-ed in the New York Times not the New York Times? lapucelle Oct 2019 #36

But you see, dpibel Oct 2019 #37

The poster gave the publication name and article title in the headline, lapucelle Oct 2019 #39

It is an oped, but it is based on demonstrable facts... TreasonousBastard Oct 2019 #42

David Brooks & Russ Douthat are NYT's employees.... AncientGeezer Oct 2019 #54

Well, actually, no. dpibel Oct 2019 #56

Utter BS....look at the NYT's website it's not hard to look up. AncientGeezer Oct 2019 #59

We're done dpibel Oct 2019 #65

Paid writers for the NYT's....employees of the NYT's AncientGeezer Oct 2019 #69

I'm sorry that this is sad for you dpibel Oct 2019 #71

See that word "Opinion" above his name? Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #67

NYT's has Many Opinion writers....paid and unpaid... AncientGeezer Oct 2019 #70

Yes. But let's stop acting Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2019 #73

You sure are working hard to defend this libertarian hit piece on M4A melman Oct 2019 #75

You really don't understand the difference kcr Oct 2019 #72

The politician himself established the premise from which the opposing point of view is argued. lapucelle Oct 2019 #81

Read the article which is not an editorial but a history of why sanders failed to get a plan adopted Gothmog Oct 2019 #58

Please. dpibel Oct 2019 #63

People who ignore history are doomed to repeat it Gothmog Oct 2019 #68

Geez. Small state like Vermont is exactly the point. dpibel Oct 2019 #77

LOL I have read far more on this issue and I actually understand the concepts Gothmog Oct 2019 #86

A person that passed the vetting of the NYT's..... AncientGeezer Oct 2019 #61

Facts are inconvenient things. lapucelle Oct 2019 #80

Yep Gothmog Oct 2019 #83

Can be so Cha Nov 2019 #105

Hmmm.. some things never Cha Oct 2019 #97

Called 'compromise,' part of the business of Congress and the presidency, elleng Oct 2019 #26

Agreed, absolutely. NONE of these plans will see the light of day as written. TreasonousBastard Oct 2019 #43

Thanks. elleng Oct 2019 #44

If 71% of Democrats favor a public option, guillaumeb Oct 2019 #27

because insurance companies write huge checks? questionseverything Oct 2019 #30

I don't care if the health insurance industry goes belly up. kacekwl Oct 2019 #51

There is that fact. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #91

K&R betsuni Oct 2019 #38

K&R n/t PhoenixDem Oct 2019 #45

K & R Peacetrain Oct 2019 #48

That plan lines up pretty much with Amy Klobuchar and Mayor Pete too Baked Potato Oct 2019 #53

k&r nt BlueMississippi Oct 2019 #74

How much does the Biden plan cost? Buzz cook Oct 2019 #76

A dose of reality for Medicare-for-all Gothmog Oct 2019 #92

WOW! Our Shower Cap! Cha Oct 2019 #96

I have been following him on twitter for a while Gothmog Oct 2019 #99

I've noticed he's on the same Cha Oct 2019 #100

Wont pass the Senate crazytown Oct 2019 #93

Choices for Financing Medicare for All: A Preliminary Analysis Gothmog Oct 2019 #94

A good rule of thumb: Don't get to Pelosi's left Gothmog Oct 2019 #95

Biden's health care plan will be ready to go the day he's sworn into office Gothmog Oct 2019 #98

Thanks, Goth! Cha Nov 2019 #106

Biden is a veteran in the health care fight. He was around when the Clinton effort failed... Poeraria Oct 2019 #104

From Harry Reid Gothmog Nov 2019 #107

Polling shows MFA is a bad idea Gothmog Nov 2019 #108

Medicare for All's JOBS problem Gothmog Nov 2019 #109

"Other polling shows support for Medicare for All plummets when people realize it would mean R B Garr Nov 2019 #110

Seems that Rick sort of sucks at math. Jakes Progress Nov 2019 #111

Nancy Pelosi is "not for doing away with Obamacare" and prefers to give people choices. Gothmog Dec 2019 #112