Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. Ah. :) Yeah. Calling Democrats "moderates" identifies a propagandist
Sun Oct 27, 2019, 02:03 PM
Oct 2019

trying to deceive and splinter away those on the farther left by suggesting most mainstream Democrats are practically conservatives. The barrage of this specific lie from much of the wealthy-owned and wealthy-serving MSM, the Repubs-Russia, and shockingly from some who claim to share our values, was tragically successful for them all in 2016, so they all continue.

I get angry at them, but not at all confused by this old and evil strategy. Because I know who we are.

Just look at the Dems we elected to the house for an indication. Most of the 27 members in the little (out of 235) blue dog caucus could sloppily but fairly honestly be called plain old "moderate" because, though most identify conservative, they and their districts tend to be only moderately so and liberal on progressive social services issues specifically. Most vote with Repubs only roughly half the time or so. (A couple vote consistently very conservative. A handful, last year at least, voted heavily with moderate liberals.)

To the left of the conservative blue dog caucus, though, BOTH of our large ideological house caucuses, to which nearly 200 members belong (some identifying with both), are solidly liberal and progressive. One is a bit more hostile to business and committed to strong progressive actions than the other, but anyone claiming the other is "moderate" instead of "moderately liberal," or pairs them with the blue dogs, is self-identifying as a liar with an agenda.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Because they'll have to explain the positions they took in the primaries. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #1
Well I don't think anyone is promising unicorns redqueen Oct 2019 #2
Just because it is conventional wisdom doesn't mean it will happen. Chemisse Oct 2019 #3
An interesting point. redqueen Oct 2019 #4
It's possible but I am dubious. Chemisse Oct 2019 #10
Warren did not say how she would pay Teach-only-love Oct 2019 #23
Why not say it now then? Chemisse Oct 2019 #31
This is the plan she will announce shortly. Teach-only-love Oct 2019 #32
The most electable candidates stick to their principles through the primaries... DCofVA Oct 2019 #5
Any data to back that up? nt redqueen Oct 2019 #6
Barack Obama DCofVA Oct 2019 #7
That's an anecdote, not data. nt redqueen Oct 2019 #8
So is the OP. NurseJackie Oct 2019 #17
LOL - it's literally not redqueen Oct 2019 #18
LOL! NurseJackie Oct 2019 #26
It's not even true. boomer_wv Oct 2019 #20
Yeah, I was pretty sure that was common knowledge, redqueen Oct 2019 #21
Most electable? Chemisse Oct 2019 #12
"Do Repubs gravitate around their most moderately right nominees or do they go for what they want?" HeartlandProgressive Oct 2019 #9
That is exactly how I see it. redqueen Oct 2019 #11
+1000 bluewater Oct 2019 #28
Giving in to the far right has led us to where we are right now. Chemisse Oct 2019 #13
The reTHUGS have destroyed the political center, just like thye destroy everything they touch. abqtommy Oct 2019 #14
Like it actually matters either way.. Amimnoch Oct 2019 #15
The only candidates who can do that are the ones who haven't painted themselves into a corner... NurseJackie Oct 2019 #16
Yeah, that has almost nothing to do with the OP redqueen Oct 2019 #19
I'm providing a perfectly valid example that's entirely in keeping with the topic of your OP. NurseJackie Oct 2019 #22
CENTER LEFT is where the vast majority of Democrats either are Hortensis Oct 2019 #24
Right but my point is why do people push other dems to stop favoring their preferred candidates redqueen Oct 2019 #25
I can only speak for myself. I feel a handful of candidates are Hortensis Oct 2019 #27
On that we agree. redqueen Oct 2019 #29
Ah. :) Yeah. Calling Democrats "moderates" identifies a propagandist Hortensis Oct 2019 #30
But isn't this the reason given for not going straight for single payer? redqueen Oct 2019 #33
Our liberals in congress ALL support universal healthcare. EVERY ONE. Hortensis Oct 2019 #34
I said single-payer, though, not universal healthcare. redqueen Oct 2019 #38
Well, we would have single payer now if Hillary was president, Hortensis Oct 2019 #40
Republicans/Conservatives tend to stay loyal Dem4Life1102 Oct 2019 #35
Seems like more of an argument to vote for what we want, redqueen Oct 2019 #36
Maybe Dem4Life1102 Oct 2019 #37
Indeed. redqueen Oct 2019 #39
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»Democratic Primaries»Run left in the primaries...»Reply #30